Has this been the dirtiest Presidential campaign in your lifetime?

[irishScott]

Yep. Because it gets votes. Elections are nothing but BS to get votes with some truth mixed in. Separating the 2 is an ordeal.

At this point I'd actually be fine with either Obama or McCain as President. They both seem to be good people in and of themselves, I just happen to agree more with McCain. However, there are millions out there who denounce one or the other like he's the Antichrist. Bunch of self-righteous morons, and the country's full of them.

Chris Rock put it nicely (NSFW language):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2c7ZZNcWsA

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I think dumbya/kerry was worse, but only because kerry let it be worse, he didn't fight back, didn't address the lies, and that in itself, confirmed the propaganda. Obama at least addresses some if not most of the garbage and throws it right back at them.

 

[Stuxnet]

Both Bush and Kerry would dirtier than McCain and Obama.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
McCain's run the dirtiest campaign I've ever witnessed. Neither him nor Palin have been the slightest bit honorable in this election.

What exactly has his campaign done?

Offended a lot of Democrats, brought up the names of a few criminals that have associations with Obama. All of which the Democrats seem to believe it all has little relevance. I guess if Obama were to pick Osama Bin Laden as his Chief of International Peace, the Democrats would be happy with that too. :lips:

First of all, there is a lot more to it than that.

Second of all, do you want to start talking about all of the Republicans, Libertarians, and other Independents that got offended? The man didn't offend a bunch of Democrats. He offended a lot of Americans.

By doing what exactly?

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
McCain's run the dirtiest campaign I've ever witnessed. Neither him nor Palin have been the slightest bit honorable in this election.

What exactly has his campaign done?

Offended a lot of Democrats, brought up the names of a few criminals that have associations with Obama. All of which the Democrats seem to believe it all has little relevance. I guess if Obama were to pick Osama Bin Laden as his Chief of International Peace, the Democrats would be happy with that too. :lips:

First of all, there is a lot more to it than that.

Second of all, do you want to start talking about all of the Republicans, Libertarians, and other Independents that got offended? The man didn't offend a bunch of Democrats. He offended a lot of Americans.

By doing what exactly?

By calling out Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright and the rest of the distant "friends" of Obama.

 

[Arkaign]

McCain himself has run a pretty honorable campaign. Obama perhaps even more so. But Palin, the RNC, his campaign staff, and particularly the fringe-right supporters who get a lot of coverage .. have been way out in left (right?) field with their vicious/negative/obtuse way of running this race.

Think about it, for every policy/positive statement the McCain campaign makes, they or their surrogates make twenty negative/slime/spin statements against Obama.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
McCain's run the dirtiest campaign I've ever witnessed. Neither him nor Palin have been the slightest bit honorable in this election.

What exactly has his campaign done?

Offended a lot of Democrats, brought up the names of a few criminals that have associations with Obama. All of which the Democrats seem to believe it all has little relevance. I guess if Obama were to pick Osama Bin Laden as his Chief of International Peace, the Democrats would be happy with that too. :lips:

First of all, there is a lot more to it than that.

Second of all, do you want to start talking about all of the Republicans, Libertarians, and other Independents that got offended? The man didn't offend a bunch of Democrats. He offended a lot of Americans.

By doing what exactly?

By calling out Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright and the rest of the distant "friends" of Obama.

Where as Obama not once mentioned Charles Keating.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Xavier434
First of all, there is a lot more to it than that.

Second of all, do you want to start talking about all of the Republicans, Libertarians, and other Independents that got offended? The man didn't offend a bunch of Democrats. He offended a lot of Americans.

By doing what exactly?

I'm not going to write the book of examples for you. If you wish to look into it more and form your own opinion then spend a bunch of time on Google and YouTube looking up his great many ad campaigns and interviews.

Asking that kind of question is pretty much like coming in here and asking something along the lines of, "What are Obama's policies and plans? What does he stand for and support and prioritize?" It is simply way too much information.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
McCain's run the dirtiest campaign I've ever witnessed. Neither him nor Palin have been the slightest bit honorable in this election.

What exactly has his campaign done?

Offended a lot of Democrats, brought up the names of a few criminals that have associations with Obama. All of which the Democrats seem to believe it all has little relevance. I guess if Obama were to pick Osama Bin Laden as his Chief of International Peace, the Democrats would be happy with that too. :lips:

First of all, there is a lot more to it than that.

Second of all, do you want to start talking about all of the Republicans, Libertarians, and other Independents that got offended? The man didn't offend a bunch of Democrats. He offended a lot of Americans.

By doing what exactly?

By calling out Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright and the rest of the distant "friends" of Obama.

Where as Obama not once mentioned Charles Keating.

That's because his advisors kept him in check. They wanted him to focus on getting the American public to believe what he had to offer. By Obama tossing mud back at McCain would have only made him look like the bad guy - and not the facade that he falls under.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Where as Obama not once mentioned Charles Keating.

That's because his advisors kept him in check. They wanted him to focus on getting the American public to believe what he had to offer

And by doing so came across as a man with an even temperament, honorable and the ability to lead.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
By doing what exactly?

By calling out Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright and the rest of the distant "friends" of Obama.

Ayers is a killer. Wright is a racist.

So not only is it fine that he associate with such people, but the mere mention of it is despicable?

If that's the only thing you can oppose that the campaign has done, and you're willing to go into a feeding frenzy over it, then I have to say you were in the tank for Obama to begin with and this outrage is merely a means to that end.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
By calling out Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright and the rest of the distant "friends" of Obama.

Where as Obama not once mentioned Charles Keating.

That's because his advisors kept him in check. They wanted him to focus on getting the American public to believe what he had to offer. By Obama tossing mud back at McCain would have only made him look like the bad guy - and not the facade that he falls under.[/quote]

Perhaps and guess what? He listened because he concluded that it was the right thing to do for his campaign. Do you really think that most of America has a problem with a presidential candidate listening to his advisers when they are recommending to him to lead a clean campaign?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Where as Obama not once mentioned Charles Keating.

That's because his advisors kept him in check. They wanted him to focus on getting the American public to believe what he had to offer

And by doing so came across as a man with an even temperament, honorable and the ability to lead.

Not to mention that everybody knows negative campaigning IS successful.

 

[Moonbeam]

Obama did go below the belt one time though when he said that next week McSame will be accusing him of being a Communist for sharing his toys in Kindergarten. That was really low.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
McCain's run the dirtiest campaign I've ever witnessed. Neither him nor Palin have been the slightest bit honorable in this election.

What exactly has his campaign done?

Offended a lot of Democrats, brought up the names of a few criminals that have associations with Obama. All of which the Democrats seem to believe it all has little relevance. I guess if Obama were to pick Osama Bin Laden as his Chief of International Peace, the Democrats would be happy with that too. :lips:

First of all, there is a lot more to it than that.

Second of all, do you want to start talking about all of the Republicans, Libertarians, and other Independents that got offended? The man didn't offend a bunch of Democrats. He offended a lot of Americans.

By doing what exactly?

By calling out Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright and the rest of the distant "friends" of Obama.

Where as Obama not once mentioned Charles Keating.

That's because his advisors kept him in check. They wanted him to focus on getting the American public to believe what he had to offer. By Obama tossing mud back at McCain would have only made him look like the bad guy - and not the facade that he falls under.

And that's what defines running an honorable campaign vs a dishonorable one.

And you guys are fooling yourself if you think that you only offended Dems and liberals. I was a non-partisan and staunch libertarian before this election, and had been since the mid-90s (I was/am a Friedman, Buckley, Harry Browne, Peter McWilliams disciple), and I'm telling you, it will a long time before I can be friendly with the right-wing again. And I'm not the only one by a long shot.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Ayers is a killer. Wright is a racist.

So not only is it fine that he associate with such people, but the mere mention of it is despicable?

If that's the only thing you can oppose that the campaign has done, and you're willing to go into a feeding frenzy over it, then I have to say you were in the tank for Obama to begin with and this outrage is merely a means to that end.

"Six degrees of separation type connection"

You claim to be looking for facts although I am guessing that isn't actually the case. However, I have been wrong before. Take a look at this link and pay attention to the section labeled "The Facts".

Obama's Weatherman Connection

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Where as Obama not once mentioned Charles Keating.

That's because his advisors kept him in check. They wanted him to focus on getting the American public to believe what he had to offer

And by doing so came across as a man with an even temperament, honorable and the ability to lead.

T2T III: I think you have it exactly backwards. It is crystal clear to any objective person that has followed this campaign that Obama runs his campaign as a tight ship, and calls the shots himself and has done so since the very beginning. It is Obama that has kept his advisors in check, not the other way around.

And to his everlasting shame it is almost certainly the other way around in the McCain campaign-he let himself be talked into his incompetent attack fest.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Thump553
I must admit though, if I never hear a snarky crack from Palin again I'll be happy. She's like nails on a chalkboard to me at times.

She'll be back, in some form or another. Even "hot head" Howard Dean was fortunate enough to get the position of being head of the Democratic National Committee.

But as head of the DNC, we hardly ever hear him speak.

 

[nageov3t]

I can't really give a lot of weight to the whole Obama/guilt-by-association stuff simply because it hasn't had any real impact -- we're not talking like Kerry where his military record is going to be forever tarnished in the public image.

the whole line of attack was a little off-base to begin with... if anything, I think the McCain campaign should have used the figures to paint Obama as another typical politician willing to use whoever he needs and dump them when the ties are suddenly political inconvenient, instead of trying to make the absurd case that Obama's a terrorist loving socialist, which the American people are never going to buy.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
By doing what exactly?

By calling out Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright and the rest of the distant "friends" of Obama.

Where as Obama not once mentioned Charles Keating.

The Democrats, and you guys here in P&N have certainly mentioned it. The slander against both candidates has been the worst I've seen, but that is the hatred running rampant among the populace and is not seen between the campaigns. The only dirty attack on one campaign to another (as given by example here) is McCain's campaign mentioning Obama's associates.

Which leaves both campaigns as hardly even reaching the mud. They can do far worse and stoop to what we've witnessed across this nation and written here in P&N.

If you saw Obama telling Palin to go home and take care of her baby, if you saw McCain call Obama a Muslim - then you would begin to grasp just how far removed they currently are from a dirty campaign.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: T2T III

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
By doing what exactly?

By calling out Bill Ayers, Reverend Wright and the rest of the distant "friends" of Obama.

Where as Obama not once mentioned Charles Keating.

The Democrats, and you guys here in P&N have certainly mentioned it. The slander against both candidates has been the worst I've seen, but that is the hatred running rampant among the populace and is not seen between the campaigns. The only dirty attack on one campaign to another (as given by example here) is McCain's campaign mentioning Obama's associates.

Which leaves both campaigns as hardly even reaching the mud. They can do far worse and stoop to what we've witnessed across this nation and written here in P&N.

If you saw Obama telling Palin to go home and take care of her baby, if you saw McCain call Obama a Muslim - then you would begin to grasp just how far removed they currently are from a dirty campaign.

Calling him a Socialist, a friend of Domestic Terrorist and a friend of Anti Semites isn't dirty?

 

[rudder]

No, but it has been the most depressing. We are doomed with either administration.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Where as Obama not once mentioned Charles Keating.

The Democrats, and you guys here in P&N have certainly mentioned it. The slander against both candidates has been the worst I've seen, but that is the hatred running rampant among the populace and is not seen between the campaigns. The only dirty attack on one campaign to another (as given by example here) is McCain's campaign mentioning Obama's associates.

Which leaves both campaigns as hardly even reaching the mud. They can do far worse and stoop to what we've witnessed across this nation and written here in P&N.

If you saw Obama telling Palin to go home and take care of her baby, if you saw McCain call Obama a Muslim - then you would begin to grasp just how far removed they currently are from a dirty campaign.

This thread is about the candidate's campaigns and not the supporters. The supporters of every party say some really screwed up crap every election. That doesn't always mean that the candidate is running a dirty campaign though. If it did then every candidate in our history and till the end of time is doomed to run nothing but a dirty campaign.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: rudder
No, but it has been the most depressing. We are doomed with either administration.

Awwwwwww I think he's gonna cry

 

[thraashman]

I wish I could find the article still, but I read an article the day after the last debate that cited a survey recently done. The survey showed that something like 60% of Obama's ads had some negative aspect to them. But that 100% (yes that's every single one) of McCain's ads were negative ads.