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Has Republican Congress finally learned they'll need to constructively work with President Clinton?

shira

shira

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Anyone who looks at the catastrophe which is Trump, and by extension the Republican Party, has to acknowledge that what's happening in this election year is an inevitable consequence of the right's unprecedented obstructionism under President Obama. Trump wouldn't have received the level of support he has from an enraged, fed up Republican base if not for all of the lies, failed promises, and counter-productive tactics perpetrated by Republicans in Congress. The Republican base had and has genuine grievances and Trump became their false Messiah.

Trump is going to go down in flames, and he may well take down the Republican majorities in the Senate and House with him. My question is, will Republicans learn ANYTHING from the Trump fiasco? There used to be a time when Democrats and Republicans worked together. Neither side got everything they wanted, but most people were somewhat satisfied. Can Republicans get themselves back into actually being a constructive participant in governing America?

Because if they don't, then 2020 may lead to a REAL revolt by voters, who could actually put in power someone as horrible as - or even worse than - Trump. And if you don't understand how terrible that would be for America and for the world, then you're one of the people who scare the shit out of me.
 
As with Obama they have no electoral incentive to work with Clinton so no, they won't work with her.

Then after four or eight more years of deliberate obstruction by Republicans we will hear complaints from conservatives about how uncompromising Clinton was, just like Obama.
 
fskimospy said:
As with Obama they have no electoral incentive to work with Clinton so no, they won't work with her.

Then after four or eight more years of deliberate obstruction by Republicans we will hear complaints from conservatives about how uncompromising Clinton was, just like Obama.
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This. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the GOP refuses to consider any SCOTUS nominees for her entire term. I also wouldn't be surprised if they immediately move to impeachment hearings for the email server, and then more hearings for the other bogus scandals when that fails.
 
dank69 said:
This. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the GOP refuses to consider any SCOTUS nominees for her entire term. I also wouldn't be surprised if they immediately move to impeachment hearings for the email server, and then more hearings for the other bogus scandals when that fails.
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Which is why it's important not just to vote against Trump, but to vote against any and all candidates with an (R) by their name. I wish Mitch McConnell was up and could be voted out. After he blamed Obama for how bad a bill was that Obama vetoed and McConnell helped override the veto of, he proved just how mentally ill he is.
 
dank69 said:
This. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the GOP refuses to consider any SCOTUS nominees for her entire term. I also wouldn't be surprised if they immediately move to impeachment hearings for the email server, and then more hearings for the other bogus scandals when that fails.
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As it is now, if Clinton wins, it looks like the democrats would take over the senate by 1 seat. Meaning, that the first half of your prediction won't have a chance of coming true. The house is iffier for democrats. Republicans, if they retain the house, would likely impeach Clinton like they did with Bill and nothing will come of it.
 
fskimospy said:
As with Obama they have no electoral incentive to work with Clinton so no, they won't work with her.

Then after four or eight more years of deliberate obstruction by Republicans we will hear complaints from conservatives about how uncompromising Clinton was, just like Obama.
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I would like to believe that the Republican party has learned something, that they're not that stupid. Do they really want a an even more extreme repeat of this 2016 election cycle?
 
shira said:
I would like to believe that the Republican party has learned something, that they're not that stupid. Do they really want a an even more extreme repeat of this 2016 election cycle?
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Moonbeam would say your LBD is getting in the way of rational thinking.
 
fskimospy said:
As with Obama they have no electoral incentive to work with Clinton so no, they won't work with her.

Then after four or eight more years of deliberate obstruction by Republicans we will hear complaints from conservatives about how uncompromising Clinton was, just like Obama.
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Yep. Among other things, these safe districts have made it too easy to nominate and elect far right candidates who would be punished if they ever compromised (assuming they even wanted to).
 
shira said:
I would like to believe that the Republican party has learned something, that they're not that stupid. Do they really want a an even more extreme repeat of this 2016 election cycle?
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I would say that it doesn't have much to do with them learning any lessons, it's just that their base has gone insane. If they compromise then they get primaried and replaced with someone who won't.
 
Eski has it right. They CAN'T compromise because their base doesn't want them to. And they won't. They'll try to block every last piece of legislation from day one.
 
I look at the Repub's situation this way: When something you have is existentially threatened, the intuitive reaction is to concentrate on it and hang on to it with a tighter grip. The more threatened that precious entity is, the tighter the grip becomes. At some certain point in this ever increasing threat/grip cycle myopia sets in.

Reflexive grip and myopia creating a downward death spiral of sorts, each dependent on the other to assure its own demise, both unwilling to yield lest that which they hold so near and dear is forever lost.

IMO, the far right base of the Party considers themselves the most loyal, the most staunch defenders of all that is near and dear to the party and the purest essence of the faith that binds the party together.

They hold the key toward effecting any kind of change that benefits the nation as a whole and they will adamantly refuse to yield a single gram of that essence unless they get their way without compromise.

That attitude right there, it seals the deal for me. That core group of "loyalists" would rather see the nation burn to the ground than give up "the cause".

Good luck getting that deeply dug in tick out of the ear of that elephant.

And besides, what conservative would dare challenge their own who represent themselves as the glue that holds the party together?

Ergo, one can't survive without the other.
 
Congress will continue to obstruct and be useless and worthless. They will continue down their path of doing damage to this great country because that is how the game of politics is played to them.

It is just a game to them. They do not give a shit about the real world or problem.
 
BurnItDwn said:
Congress will continue to obstruct and be useless and worthless. They will continue down their path of doing damage to this great country because that is how the game of politics is played to them.

It is just a game to them. They do not give a shit about the real world or problem.
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I look to those who control the actions of our politicians and it certainly isn't the working class, who are the overwhelming majority of the nation.

It seems ironic to me that we live in a system where the principle of majority rule has been so thoroughly corrupted by a few very wealthy families who bought themselves the ability to dictate terms to the rest of the nation through those "leaders" that we elect into office of whom are supposed to represent the interests of the majority more so than the select powerful few. I believe "balance" is, in a word, what I'm describing here.

The process is corrupt. The system is therefore corrupt and it's all because those privileged few have maliciously given themselves the ability to advance their own personal agendas over the will of the majority.

I'm amazed that those very few powerful families have even been gracious enough to milk the system in such a way that allows the working class to have, at the very least, some kind of ability to keep their cupboards modestly stocked with food.
 
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Unfortunately like most conservatives, they are Christian first, conservative 2nd, Republican 3rd, and American last.

They will obstruct at the expense of our country to enrich their religious and GOP agendas. If Democrats fail, they see it as success regardless of people's will. Democracy does not matter to these people. They want to bully like Trump.
 
dank69 said:
This. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the GOP refuses to consider any SCOTUS nominees for her entire term. I also wouldn't be surprised if they immediately move to impeachment hearings for the email server, and then more hearings for the other bogus scandals when that fails.
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The whole 60 vote in the senate has been a joke ever since they passed that to begin with.

Anyone want some waffles 🙂
 
MongGrel said:
The whole 60 vote in the senate has been a joke ever since they passed that to begin with.

Anyone want some waffles 🙂
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If the Repubs refuse to confirm anyone for the court there will be a slow burn, a stink that gets worse and worse, like a big animal dead under the house. That won't go on indefinitely.

I suppose that the Rs aren't going to be more accommodating to HRC than to Obama. He is a friendly enough guy, seemingly more so than Hillary. I'm not certain that he's really smarter, though. If the Dems can take the senate and house, either now or in 2 years, you may find we are living in another country politically than we have now. I'd like to see that, sooner than later.
dead_smiley said:
Fortunately, there will not be another President Clinton.

Sent from my overpriced smartphone
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I think you better sell your smartphone while it's still worth something. There's clearly something wrong with it.
 
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Muse said:
If the Repubs refuse to confirm anyone for the court there will be a slow burn, a stink that gets worse and worse, like a big animal dead under the house. That won't go on indefinitely.

I suppose that the Rs aren't going to be more accommodating to HRC than to Obama. He is a friendly enough guy, seemingly more so than Hillary. I'm not certain that he's really smarter, though. If the Dems can take the senate and house, either now or in 2 years, you may find we are living in another country politically than we have now. I'd like to see that, sooner than later.
I think you better sell your smartphone while it's still worth something. There's clearly something wrong with it.
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Well, yeh, but at least she's not black.
 
Just because cataclysmic shifts are less likely than gradual change, It's possible that the Republican establishment decides, quietly, to ignore their fringe alt-right tea party members, and work with the Democratic White House and possibly a Dem. senate.

In 2018 those disenfranchised die-hards realize that they can either form their own doomed party, or come crawling back to the mainstream GOP that they no longer control, and choose the latter.
 
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