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Has Hollywood and Critics totally lost contact with the customer?

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LordRaiden

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Interesting thing to note about movies this month. The two highest lauded movies, Terminator 3 and LXG aren't doing so hot and are actually lagging behind a movie that many critics and Hollywood said would be great before the movies ever came out. Sure, Movie critics gave LXG a very brutal lashing and definately weren't kind to T3 either. However before these were released these same people said "Oh, these movies will be must see movies and best of the summer!" yet looked over at Pirates of the Caribbean and effectively gave it a huge thumbs down before it even hit theatres. Even the studios didn't trump it as being big either. Yet as of today, Pirates of the Caribbean is now making more money than T3 and LXG combined. But that's only the tip of the iceberg. There were other movies out there like Kangaroo Jack that were hyped, yet sucked horribly.

Another fine example of this is Nemo. Although a good movie, I think it could have been a LOT better. What's interesting about this one is that although it was good, Sinbad was by far better, yet Hollywood didn't put a lot of steak into it On top of that Sinbad is doing 2x's better than Nemo ever did. These are just a few examples of how I feel that Hollywood has lost contact with the customer. Good movies (Zu Warriors, Equalibrium, Blair Witch Project) go totally unnoticed or are quietly swept under the carpet as movies with little or no public appeal, yet other movies that they laud as blockbusters (pluto nash, LXG, kangaroo jack) just fall flat on their faces.

Personally, I belive that if the movie industry is going to succeed in today's market, they need to start paying attention to what the customer actually wants and not what they THINK we want or even what they want.
 
Ummm aren't they doing just that?

Ricers probably love fast and the furious.

Trekkies love star trek.

Ricers probably think star trek is for geeks (trekkies)

Trekkies think f&f is for ricers.

You can't please all the audiences.
 
Hmm, so this is what the world of popular cinema is like on Bizarro World. Either that or Variety really needs to start checking SAT scores.
 
Originally posted by: fatbaby
Ummm aren't they doing just that?

Ricers probably love fast and the furious.

Trekkies love star trek.

Ricers probably think star trek is for geeks (trekkies)

Trekkies think f&f is for ricers.

You can't please all the audiences.
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Well, now that you mention it, you do make a good point. But it's not the ones that are targeted to specific audiences like F&F that are the problem. Take Nemisis for example. That was a movie that was aimed at trekers, yet the trekers though it was trash. It's when a movie is aimed at a specific group of people and that group of people rejects it that it creates a problem. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: LordRaiden
Interesting thing to note about movies this month. The two highest lauded movies, Terminator 3 and LXG aren't doing so hot and are actually lagging behind a movie that many critics and Hollywood said would be great before the movies ever came out. Sure, Movie critics gave LXG a very brutal lashing and definately weren't kind to T3 either. However before these were released these same people said "Oh, these movies will be must see movies and best of the summer!" yet looked over at Pirates of the Caribbean and effectively gave it a huge thumbs down before it even hit theatres. Even the studios didn't trump it as being big either. Yet as of today, Pirates of the Caribbean is now making more money than T3 and LXG combined. But that's only the tip of the iceberg. There were other movies out there like Kangaroo Jack that were hyped, yet sucked horribly.

Another fine example of this is Nemo. Although a good movie, I think it could have been a LOT better. What's interesting about this one is that although it was good, Sinbad was by far better, yet Hollywood didn't put a lot of steak into it On top of that Sinbad is doing 2x's better than Nemo ever did. These are just a few examples of how I feel that Hollywood has lost contact with the customer. Good movies (Zu Warriors, Equalibrium, Blair Witch Project) go totally unnoticed or are quietly swept under the carpet as movies with little or no public appeal, yet other movies that they laud as blockbusters (pluto nash, LXG, kangaroo jack) just fall flat on their faces.

Personally, I belive that if the movie industry is going to succeed in today's market, they need to start paying attention to what the customer actually wants and not what they THINK we want or even what they want.
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What are you talking about?

Pirates of the Caribbean - 76% rating - $70.6 million, 1 week

Terminator 3 - 74% rating - $110 million, 2 weeks

League of Extraordinary Gentleman - 18% rating - $23 million, 1 week

Finding Nemo - 99% rating - $291 million, 7 weeks

Looks like highly praised = highly popular = lots of money. Hollywood is always going to hype the hell out of anything they put out, even garbage like LXG.
 
Ummm it's not the critics that are hyping it. It's the marketing departments at the studios. The high praise taglines you see need to be taken with a grain of salt. Do you actually read who they're attributed to? Most times the big praises in quotes like "EXHILARATING!" are followed by "- Jim Schlockston, WXXM radio, Quahog, RI" ANytime you see an obviously bad movie get high praise it's either because the critic is smoking mass amounts of crack, or has gotten paid off by the studio to "coax" out a better review. This practice has been around for ages and is not going anywhere.

Oh, and Sinbad has been plenty hyped. I don't know what you're talking about.

As far as Pirates, it's gotten huge amounts of hype, and buzz on Rottentomatoes was positive long before the movie came out.

You win the award for most useless and least informed rant of the day. Thank you and come again. Try to bring your brain next time you make such a stiflingly inaccurate commentary.

PS. Blair Witch sucked.
 
pirates average yahoo user rating A+ (20,000+ users)
amazing...
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Finding nemo has an A rating from only 5k users... I find that odd.
 
could expectations have been set any lower for pirates of the caribbean? 🙂


btw its hollywood studios job to hype movies regardless of how good they are. i never saw a critic hype lxg or kangaroo jack, so no point there.

sinbad isn't doing 2x better then nemo. nemos made over 200mil i think. it had legs..long legs. not that i dislike either, i saw both.

i'm not seeing a point to your rambling post. sometimes hollywood hits, sometimes they miss. sometimes audiences go to dumb movies. the success of scooby doo is a good example.
 
Originally posted by: MrChad

Looks like highly praised = highly popular = lots of money. Hollywood is always going to hype the hell out of anything they put out, even garbage like LXG.
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There are plenty of exceptions in both directions. Hannibal, for example, had lousy reviews and still shattered the box office record for R rated movie openings (which Matrix Reloaded just beat). The Iron Giant was a critically-acclaimed animated film which hardly was a blink at the box office.

But Hollywood certainly does try to hype everything. That's how they find sucke-- their audience members.
 
Originally posted by: amnesiac
Ummm it's not the critics that are hyping it. It's the marketing departments at the studios. The high praise taglines you see need to be taken with a grain of salt. Do you actually read who they're attributed to? Most times the big praises in quotes like "EXHILARATING!" are followed by "- Jim Schlockston, WXXM radio, Quahog, RI" ANytime you see an obviously bad movie get high praise it's either because the critic is smoking mass amounts of crack, or has gotten paid off by the studio to "coax" out a better review. This practice has been around for ages and is not going anywhere.

Oh, and Sinbad has been plenty hyped. I don't know what you're talking about.

As far as Pirates, it's gotten huge amounts of hype, and buzz on Rottentomatoes was positive long before the movie came out.

You win the award for most useless and least informed rant of the day. Thank you and come again. Try to bring your brain next time you make such a stiflingly inaccurate commentary.

PS. Blair Witch sucked.
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well duh, they take "excellent" from a negative review even if it was from the sentence like "its too bad, since this directors last film was excellent" 😛

last year they got caught making up quotes from a fake critic.. think it was sony.

who listens to hype anyways. people rarely listen to critics to begin with.
 
sinbad isn't doing 2x better then nemo. nemos made over 200mil i think. it had legs..long legs. not that i dislike either, i saw both.
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Ok, I am corrected. You are right. I probubly read that wrong or remembered the stats wrong. But either way, I still say sinbad beats nemo by miles. 🙂

 
what really ticks me off about these movies stinking is that the stars will go on every show and talk about how good the picture is.
i mean, i know its their job and they get paid for the movies and want us to go.

i just wish they could give us a moment of "oh...yeah, well it stinks...but, i mean, <lead actress> flashes us her tatters...so go see it"

 
Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw
Originally posted by: MrChad

Looks like highly praised = highly popular = lots of money. Hollywood is always going to hype the hell out of anything they put out, even garbage like LXG.
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There are plenty of exceptions in both directions. Hannibal, for example, had lousy reviews and still shattered the box office record for R rated movie openings (which Matrix Reloaded just beat). The Iron Giant was a critically-acclaimed animated film which hardly was a blink at the box office.

But Hollywood certainly does try to hype everything. That's how they find sucke-- their audience members.
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True, but the original poster made the claim that LXG was one of the "highest lauded movies" and that PoC made "more money than T3 and LXG combined," both of which are false.
 
I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers from, but Sinbad is not doing twice as well as Nemo. Even now, in Nemo's like 10th week and Sinbad's 2nd I think, Nemo is still beating it.

I don't think Blair Witch was swept under the carpet either, the hype around that movie was incredible, given the semi-false advertising and all.

I think the movie industry is doing fine. Isn't it just about every other movie we hear about some record being broken?
I think you are confusing the advertisements with the critic's assessments. POTC and T3 got good reviews and are doing very well in the box office, while movies with poor reviews tend not to do well... So, it looks like what the critics think and what the public watches is matching up.
 
I'm referencing movies.com on a lot of my facts.

Now if their info is horked, that would explain why things appear out of kilter for me.
 
Originally posted by: MrChad


True, but the original poster made the claim that LXG was one of the "highest lauded movies" and that PoC made "more money than T3 and LXG combined," both of which are false.
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That post was like one of those "How many errors can you find?" games you see in puzzle magazines.
 
the critics have always been way off with the consumer, they think them selves great people for reviewing movies, and fancy themselves as people who think they know people, know what the wanyt to see, when in fact they have a pretty bad taste of what is entraining, i mean thats what movies are for entrainment.

Doggl
 
i just wish they could give us a moment of "oh...yeah, well it stinks...but, i mean, <lead actress> flashes us her tatters...so go see it"
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swordfish? I remeber thats the only reason i went to see that movie...havent watched it fully since lol
 
Originally posted by: LordRaiden
I'm referencing movies.com on a lot of my facts.

Now if their info is horked, that would explain why things appear out of kilter for me.
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Teh mob demands links to validate your claim otherwise we will attribute your erroneous information to the fact that you can't read or were browsing goatse-movies.com instead and made this up.
 
How is Sindbad doing 2x as good as Nemo?

Sinbad would be lucky to break $50 million.

Oh, and critics aren't there to please or agree with the consumer, they are just stating their own opinions.
 
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