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has anyone used one of those HD Upconverting DVD Players?

purbeast0

purbeast0

No Lifer
i just saw these things while browsing around on the internet. There are about 3 on the market right now and samsung has one that is coming out very soon (or already is). supposedly it upconverts current DVDs to 720p or 1080i (true HD) and makes the image quality much better. it is connected via the HDMI cables to your TV.

i am just wondering if anyone has used these or heard anything about them, and if so, how are they?
 
I thought about buying one, but I figured I could hold out until HD-DVD comes out.

EDIT: samsung has 2 out I believe. One of them is the DVD-HD931
 
Originally posted by: KLin
I thought about buying one, but I figured I could hold out until HD-DVD comes out.

EDIT: samsung has 2 out I believe. One of them is the DVD-HD931
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Oh okay, i didn't see that. i saw the HD941 that was delayed. anyways, did you see the quality of it or anything on an HD tv ?
 
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: KLin
I thought about buying one, but I figured I could hold out until HD-DVD comes out.

EDIT: samsung has 2 out I believe. One of them is the DVD-HD931
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Oh okay, i didn't see that. i saw the HD941 that was delayed. anyways, did you see the quality of it or anything on an HD tv ?
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No I haven't. I would like to though.
 
i have the sammy dvd player and it upconverts the picture to 720p using the fajruda chipset, it looks good but i havent tried anyother dvd player on that tv so i have no point for comparison.

i think the biggest part of the PQ is the fact that it is DVI to DVI no analog conversion at all
 
I have the Zenith DVB318 connected to my 36" Sony HDTV. It works well, make a slight difference in PQ. Should be more noticeable on a larger display. HD-DVD is still 2-3 years away from being affordable.
 
Originally posted by: Ameesh
i have the sammy dvd player and it upconverts the picture to 720p using the fajruda chipset, it looks good but i havent tried anyother dvd player on that tv so i have no point for comparison.

i think the biggest part of the PQ is the fact that it is DVI to DVI no analog conversion at all
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well i heard that using HDMI cables on a normal DVD player that supports HDMI connections will make absolutely no picture difference on normal DVD's. and to my knowledge, HDMI = DVI + Audio
 
I am skeptical of those. There is only so much information on a dvd disc. You can upconvert the display format, but make the image quality much better? fishy to me. Plus almost all HDTV units can do the upconvertion by itself.
 
Originally posted by: welst10
I am skeptical of those. There is only so much information on a dvd disc. You can upconvert the display format, but make the image quality much better? fishy to me. Plus almost all HDTV units can do the upconvertion by itself.
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I don't think there's any HDTV displays that upconvert a DVD to 720p or 1080i. They just show the DVD in 480p.
 
Originally posted by: welst10
I am skeptical of those. There is only so much information on a dvd disc. You can upconvert the display format, but make the image quality much better? fishy to me. Plus almost all HDTV units can do the upconvertion by itself.
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maybe some can, but that will also cause a slight audio lag, which these dvd players automatically fix. also, the upconverting on the dvd players is much better than the ones on the TV's, which is kind of similiar how the progressive scan being handled by the TV is actually better than the DVD player (comparing new TV's to older DVD players)
 
I have the samsung one with the off-air HDTV receiver built-in, it is hooked up to a sony LCD projector, pic looks good, but I have not done any A/B comparsing with a regular dvd player nor hooked up the player to another TV to see if upconverted image would look better.
 
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: welst10
I am skeptical of those. There is only so much information on a dvd disc. You can upconvert the display format, but make the image quality much better? fishy to me. Plus almost all HDTV units can do the upconvertion by itself.
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I don't think there's any HDTV displays that upconvert a DVD to 720p or 1080i. They just show the DVD in 480p.
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wrong. My Toshiba (51h84) converts everything to either 1080i (native resolution) or 540p.
 
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: welst10
I am skeptical of those. There is only so much information on a dvd disc. You can upconvert the display format, but make the image quality much better? fishy to me. Plus almost all HDTV units can do the upconvertion by itself.
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I don't think there's any HDTV displays that upconvert a DVD to 720p or 1080i. They just show the DVD in 480p.
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Plenty of TV's convert. All digital display's do so. Very few do so well.

I'm using two, a Bravo D1 (for a JVC DLA-SX21u projector), and LG LST-3510A (for a Panasonic TH-42PWD7UY).

The real issue is if the scaling is better handled by your TV (very rare) or by your DVD player.

In general, scaling DVD players will make a bigger difference with digital displays (DLP, LCD, LCOS, DILA, SXRD, Plasma, etc) than analog (CRT tube or CRT projection).

BTW, avoid the Samsung unit, at least the DVD-HD841 & DVD-HD931 (I haven't had a chance to check the DVD-HD941 yet). They output computer type digital levels (0-255) instead of the proper video levels (16-235).
 
I use a Toshiba upconverting DVD player on the JVC 52" DILA set. It looks great over HDMI. If you're serious about getting one, look for either an older Zenith 318 model or an older Panasonic upconverting DVD player as the upconversion is not limited to DVI/HDMI but also is over component. Check out avsforum for more details.
 
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: welst10
I am skeptical of those. There is only so much information on a dvd disc. You can upconvert the display format, but make the image quality much better? fishy to me. Plus almost all HDTV units can do the upconvertion by itself.
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maybe some can, but that will also cause a slight audio lag, which these dvd players automatically fix. also, the upconverting on the dvd players is much better than the ones on the TV's, which is kind of similiar how the progressive scan being handled by the TV is actually better than the DVD player (comparing new TV's to older DVD players)
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The problem is, for example, when the information on a facial hair isn't there, you can't just add or simulate it.
 
Originally posted by: Apex
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: welst10
I am skeptical of those. There is only so much information on a dvd disc. You can upconvert the display format, but make the image quality much better? fishy to me. Plus almost all HDTV units can do the upconvertion by itself.
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I don't think there's any HDTV displays that upconvert a DVD to 720p or 1080i. They just show the DVD in 480p.
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Plenty of TV's convert. All digital display's do so. Very few do so well.

I'm using two, a Bravo D1 (for a JVC DLA-SX21u projector), and LG LST-3510A (for a Panasonic TH-42PWD7UY).

The real issue is if the scaling is better handled by your TV (very rare) or by your DVD player.

In general, scaling DVD players will make a bigger difference with digital displays (DLP, LCD, LCOS, DILA, SXRD, Plasma, etc) than analog (CRT tube or CRT projection).

BTW, avoid the Samsung unit, at least the DVD-HD841 & DVD-HD931 (I haven't had a chance to check the DVD-HD941 yet). They output computer type digital levels (0-255) instead of the proper video levels (16-235).
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Hmm really? i was actually kind of looking at the HD841. I have a samsung 50" DLP and was kind of looking at it to match my TV. but they aren't that great you say? which one would you recommend then?

and from your experience, how does the picture quality compare to a non HD upconverting DVD player that only does 480p? i'm just curious if its worth the difference, because right now I am still using my xbox as my main dvd player and its hooked up via component.
 
eh figure the tv should do the upconverting. many tvs have odd numbers of actual pixels anyways, so its not as if your not going ot havei the signal converted yet again by the tv.
 
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Apex
Plenty of TV's convert. All digital display's do so. Very few do so well.

I'm using two, a Bravo D1 (for a JVC DLA-SX21u projector), and LG LST-3510A (for a Panasonic TH-42PWD7UY).

The real issue is if the scaling is better handled by your TV (very rare) or by your DVD player.

In general, scaling DVD players will make a bigger difference with digital displays (DLP, LCD, LCOS, DILA, SXRD, Plasma, etc) than analog (CRT tube or CRT projection).

BTW, avoid the Samsung unit, at least the DVD-HD841 & DVD-HD931 (I haven't had a chance to check the DVD-HD941 yet). They output computer type digital levels (0-255) instead of the proper video levels (16-235).
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Hmm really? i was actually kind of looking at the HD841. I have a samsung 50" DLP and was kind of looking at it to match my TV. but they aren't that great you say? which one would you recommend then?

and from your experience, how does the picture quality compare to a non HD upconverting DVD player that only does 480p? i'm just curious if its worth the difference, because right now I am still using my xbox as my main dvd player and its hooked up via component.
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Your Samsung has a Faroudja deinterlacer/scaling processor already, so it's pretty good. You probably won't see a huge difference. The Panasonic DVD-S97S is probably the best of the cheaper DVI/HDMI upscaling players right now, but its not without its problems (ahem, macroblocking).
 
I'm using a Momitsu V880 on a 1024x768 DLP projector with a DVI to VGA adapter plug. One advantage to using an upscaling dvd player along with digital dvi is that you're maintaining a pure digital signal all the way to your display. By using the DVI-VGA adapter I'm missing out on the pure digital signal but it still looks great since I'm using a custom resolution in the DVD player that matches the resolution of the projector.

The interesting thing is that the scaling takes place even as you use the zoom button on the dvd remote. A detail like a small circle still stays a circle as you zoom, it just get blurrier around the edges. Straight scaling would just make existing pixels larger until everything looks like blocks.
 
Originally posted by: RayH
I'm using a Momitsu V880 on a 1024x768 DLP projector with a DVI to VGA adapter plug. One advantage to using an upscaling dvd player along with digital dvi is that you're maintaining a pure digital signal all the way to your display. By using the DVI-VGA adapter I'm missing out on the pure digital signal but it still looks great since I'm using a custom resolution in the DVD player that matches the resolution of the projector.

The interesting thing is that the scaling takes place even as you use the zoom button on the dvd remote. A detail like a small circle still stays a circle as you zoom, it just get blurrier around the edges. Straight scaling would just make existing pixels larger until everything looks like blocks.
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i don't have to zoom into nipples anymore, i have a real gf 😛 j/k
 
Originally posted by: Slvrtg277
Originally posted by: MustISO
i don't have to zoom into nipples anymore, i have a real gf j/k
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Pics?!?
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He was just kidding....he doesn't really have a girlfriend.
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lol 😛

i would post but school took my webspace since its been over 6months since i graduated. i do have em at home on my computer though ...
 
Originally posted by: Apex
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: Apex
Plenty of TV's convert. All digital display's do so. Very few do so well.

I'm using two, a Bravo D1 (for a JVC DLA-SX21u projector), and LG LST-3510A (for a Panasonic TH-42PWD7UY).

The real issue is if the scaling is better handled by your TV (very rare) or by your DVD player.

In general, scaling DVD players will make a bigger difference with digital displays (DLP, LCD, LCOS, DILA, SXRD, Plasma, etc) than analog (CRT tube or CRT projection).

BTW, avoid the Samsung unit, at least the DVD-HD841 & DVD-HD931 (I haven't had a chance to check the DVD-HD941 yet). They output computer type digital levels (0-255) instead of the proper video levels (16-235).
Click to expand...

Hmm really? i was actually kind of looking at the HD841. I have a samsung 50" DLP and was kind of looking at it to match my TV. but they aren't that great you say? which one would you recommend then?

and from your experience, how does the picture quality compare to a non HD upconverting DVD player that only does 480p? i'm just curious if its worth the difference, because right now I am still using my xbox as my main dvd player and its hooked up via component.
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Your Samsung has a Faroudja deinterlacer/scaling processor already, so it's pretty good. You probably won't see a huge difference. The Panasonic DVD-S97S is probably the best of the cheaper DVI/HDMI upscaling players right now, but its not without its problems (ahem, macroblocking).
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I've had the S97S for about a month now, and after 15 or so movies, I have yet to see macroblocking. I was getting a white flash every once in a while though. However, since I've gone from 1080i to 720p even they seem to have gone.

 
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