Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Knowing how bad we feel about ourselves sort of takes away the unconscious urge to put down others since how we feel about others is what we were hiding about how we feel about ourselves.
Well it was nice while it lasted
Yep - here goes the neighborhood
CkG
I always wonder if I laugh at Moonie cuz I'm too ignorant to understand him or if he's really nonsensical, how about you?
I laugh, not at myself but at those who think I'm lauging at myself... I think.
CkG
You don't think. That's the problem.
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Zebo, you were right the first time----->ignorant, but not in a bad way. There are here, for example two problems. In the first place you attach a pejorative connotation to being ignorant when being ignorant is just a lack of the presence of something, in this case awareness of negative feelings. It's just a statement of condition without any value attached like if a switch on of off. Because of conditioning, though, the hostility hidden in competition, to be ignorant gets to be thought of much like being dumb. So when I say you hate yourself and don't know it, you react, in part, as if that were an insult and my intention is to show you how much smarter I am. Well this happens precisely because of what I said. We feel bad about ourselves and react as in some sort of contest we're loosing. The result is that there in an unconscious urge to reject what I say as false so you don't loose the race. But it's not a race. Only bad feelings make it feel that way.
And of course the other problem is that if I tell you you feel bad you naturally don't want to know. It would feel bad to feel bad you see. So you hope I'm wrong on that front too. Trouble is I'm right. So what are you going to do.
Did you but suffer you would not suffer, they say.
Some kinds of knowledge you can't get from a book, knowledge about yourself. You know how you feel by feeling. You know what you don't want to feel almost by accident. Like skins of an onion you have to peal back layer after layer. To do so you need some sort of a setting that's conducive of such things. What I've learned I've learned in a group. I also met somebody who was totally well. The chances of that are vanishingly small. He went all the way to the bottom and said it was hell.
What's inside is a tremendous surprise.
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Thanks, DealMonkey, I'm really not too interested in politics as such. It provides great insights into how humans are attached to the absurd, but little relief from that fact. I see that the world is dying and the only hope in self understanding. Anyway
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Just kidding Caddy
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