<< CPU speed matter for me, try play dixv on a P233, or compiling C++, or playing CS at 640x480, heck, even excel takes 20 sec to open...
>>Hey, I'm running a P200 MMx @ 233 right now too... and it sucks a hard one. We need a support group...
cpu speed matters alot for just about everything im have a PII 333 and a PIII 866 and there is a huge difference in everything, games, watching DiVx and even opening word, or exel..going back to the first post....your laptop is new so it has nothing on it and thats why it so much faster i bet when you first got your new 1ghz it was going alot faster than it is now...
yeah, but 600-700 is pretty sufficient. I'm runnin 720 now (can do 800, but computer will not reboot ) we're talking about the general user here. Everything in the ghz+ range seems rather pointless.. again, for the general user.
) we're talking about the general user here. Everything in the ghz+ range seems rather pointless.. again, for the general user.graphic card is what matters nothing else
and that proves my point that MAC is better that a pc and all of u have indirectly agreed ....
i remmember about a year ago i started a thread sayin that ((MAC is better)) but all of u guys said that its so0oO slow its only a 400mhz
all what it can do is photoshop bla bla bla ..............
but i proved my point now dont you agree
yes
and that proves my point that MAC is better that a pc and all of u have indirectly agreed ....
i remmember about a year ago i started a thread sayin that ((MAC is better)) but all of u guys said that its so0oO slow its only a 400mhz
all what it can do is photoshop bla bla bla ..............
but i proved my point now dont you agree
yes
<< We need a support group... >>
lol, to bad we can't go to the salvation army and pick up used CPUs
anyone can spare a used Socket7 celly? i'll pay shipping!
That really depends on how you use the computer.
I would say for quite some people, a pentium 60 is sufficient.
Although it won't run any latest game/applicant well, you always can find some dos/win31 software running damn fast.
I would say for quite some people, a pentium 60 is sufficient.
Although it won't run any latest game/applicant well, you always can find some dos/win31 software running damn fast.
so many things to reply to!
ahh! I wish I could just use my mind to do it all!
anywho..
you noticed? CPU speed DOESN'T matter to most people, but they get the latest and greatest anyway!
now you know why I'm mad about all the wasted CPU cycles not devoted to a distributed project! hehe.. RC5 all the way!
It may be true, gamers don't see a benefit (unless they run a game with no T&L at extremely low res) much anymore..
I saw a fairly large kick in OS speed when moving from my K6-2 400 to my Duron 750@866. that's partly becuase this new one has about 3 times the RAM, and a faster hard drive. I think the CPU does have a role still in how the OS runs.
becuase I have a 56k modem, I don't have to run a firewall, nor do I run a virus scan! it's all wasted CPU cycles, and I could REALLY feel the effect (when I was on my K6-2), so I never ran that stuff again!
as for IDE RAID, the only reason why you really don't see much benefit from it, is because it is ACCESS TIMES that matter most when considering hard drives.
SCUBA those are dangerous words.. People will flame you for it! btw, I support that comment 100%, cause it's so damned logical..
so, now that CPU's are only really used for encoding and decoding sound and video files, as well as running basic OS tasks (and playing 'old' non-T&L games), what's next? well for encoding and decoding video files, that could soon be offloaded to the video card (using a DSP chip to reprogram it for new codecs!), and as for sound.. that WOULD have happened if the Aureal SQ3500 came out.. but oh well
so, what will CPU's be used for after that? the crap that people have running in their system tray! pure and simple, you just need RAM, and a fast enough CPU (as well as a hard drive capable of moving fast enough without using CPU time, so that you can, say, defrag, scan-disk, and run virus scan all at the same time! LOL)!
it's nice to be able to offload the CPU! that way all the distributed projects get a nice boost!
ahh! I wish I could just use my mind to do it all!
anywho..
you noticed? CPU speed DOESN'T matter to most people, but they get the latest and greatest anyway!
now you know why I'm mad about all the wasted CPU cycles not devoted to a distributed project! hehe.. RC5 all the way!
It may be true, gamers don't see a benefit (unless they run a game with no T&L at extremely low res) much anymore..
I saw a fairly large kick in OS speed when moving from my K6-2 400 to my Duron 750@866. that's partly becuase this new one has about 3 times the RAM, and a faster hard drive. I think the CPU does have a role still in how the OS runs.
becuase I have a 56k modem, I don't have to run a firewall, nor do I run a virus scan! it's all wasted CPU cycles, and I could REALLY feel the effect (when I was on my K6-2), so I never ran that stuff again!
as for IDE RAID, the only reason why you really don't see much benefit from it, is because it is ACCESS TIMES that matter most when considering hard drives.
SCUBA those are dangerous words.. People will flame you for it! btw, I support that comment 100%, cause it's so damned logical..
so, now that CPU's are only really used for encoding and decoding sound and video files, as well as running basic OS tasks (and playing 'old' non-T&L games), what's next? well for encoding and decoding video files, that could soon be offloaded to the video card (using a DSP chip to reprogram it for new codecs!), and as for sound.. that WOULD have happened if the Aureal SQ3500 came out.. but oh well
so, what will CPU's be used for after that? the crap that people have running in their system tray! pure and simple, you just need RAM, and a fast enough CPU (as well as a hard drive capable of moving fast enough without using CPU time, so that you can, say, defrag, scan-disk, and run virus scan all at the same time! LOL)!
it's nice to be able to offload the CPU! that way all the distributed projects get a nice boost!
yeah i'm still on my 1000mhz athlon right now , since the buyer hasn't picked it up yet. selling it to my roomates brother. anyways, the only thing differnt is that the 3d video is better, but i barely play games, and my rc5 key rate is a lot faster. i've contributed 265000 blocks to team anandtech, and well thats gonna go down quite a bit. Oh well. I guess notebook expandability isn't as good, i wont have a dvd on my notebook, but i bought some firewire external stuff, so i guess that can make up for it. In my week or so i've had a notebook, i've really turned the corner. i used to really think i needed a desktop, but i rarely encode mp3s, and never encode divx or anything like that. plus 700mhz is still fairly adequete for that use anyways
If I said that most car owners drive an average of 35 MPH each week,
would you start saying that cars only need to be built with 50 horsepower?
DynaOne,
All of your examples are good ones - but look at what the vast majority of PC owners are doing -
Compare what they are doing now with what they used to do.
-surfing the web
1995 - Text and Graphics
2001 - Dynamic HTML, PHP, XML, Banners, Tables, Flash, seamlessness of interface between
Web and user's system, Java & scripting.
-e-mail
1995 - Text on monochromatic displays
2001 - (See Web browsing) + Voicemail/Fax capabilities + seamless support of various
attachment encoding schemes + encryption support.
-word processing
1995 - WYSIWYG just starting full adoption, first Word Processors for Windows that are
significantly better than the DOS versions.
2001 - Office XP Word, supports (just about) everything that needs to be done to create the
2001 versions of Web and Email content, plus additional help features, a more interactive
& task oriented user interface, and Voice command support.
-small spreadsheets
1995 - Lotus 1-2-3 is the king of spreadsheets. 4096x4096 text or number tables
on a monochromatic display. Rudimentary database and graphing capability.
2001 - Office XP Excel, the current "standard" for business spreadsheets. Table
range only limited by available memory? Multiple overlapping tables, interactivity
between tables and out to other data sources. Database features rival the best
relational databases of the mid-90s. Graphical features match high-end graphing and
presentation apps of the mid-90s. All the new features of XP Word also apply.
-home finance/banking
1995 - Quicken, Automatic Checkbook Balancing is considered killer feature.
2001 - Quicken, Automatic consolidation of Assets, Debts, Stocks and Investments,
Family planning, Retirement Planning, Tax Planning, Legal Advice for wills and
probate, and update via the Web are considered standard features of the program.
I think the 10% number (and I'm one of them), can truly justify spending top $ on the latest hardware all the time.
Don't you think it would cost more for the CPU makers to keep making the slower chips, than
it is to move all their manufacturing to better designs and processes? It would probably
take more effort for them to dumb down thier CPUs for the masses than it is to simply
sell the end-users on the same processors that they aim at businesses and wonks/gamers.
would you start saying that cars only need to be built with 50 horsepower?
DynaOne,
All of your examples are good ones - but look at what the vast majority of PC owners are doing -
Compare what they are doing now with what they used to do.
-surfing the web
1995 - Text and Graphics
2001 - Dynamic HTML, PHP, XML, Banners, Tables, Flash, seamlessness of interface between
Web and user's system, Java & scripting.
1995 - Text on monochromatic displays
2001 - (See Web browsing) + Voicemail/Fax capabilities + seamless support of various
attachment encoding schemes + encryption support.
-word processing
1995 - WYSIWYG just starting full adoption, first Word Processors for Windows that are
significantly better than the DOS versions.
2001 - Office XP Word, supports (just about) everything that needs to be done to create the
2001 versions of Web and Email content, plus additional help features, a more interactive
& task oriented user interface, and Voice command support.
-small spreadsheets
1995 - Lotus 1-2-3 is the king of spreadsheets. 4096x4096 text or number tables
on a monochromatic display. Rudimentary database and graphing capability.
2001 - Office XP Excel, the current "standard" for business spreadsheets. Table
range only limited by available memory? Multiple overlapping tables, interactivity
between tables and out to other data sources. Database features rival the best
relational databases of the mid-90s. Graphical features match high-end graphing and
presentation apps of the mid-90s. All the new features of XP Word also apply.
-home finance/banking
1995 - Quicken, Automatic Checkbook Balancing is considered killer feature.
2001 - Quicken, Automatic consolidation of Assets, Debts, Stocks and Investments,
Family planning, Retirement Planning, Tax Planning, Legal Advice for wills and
probate, and update via the Web are considered standard features of the program.
I think the 10% number (and I'm one of them), can truly justify spending top $ on the latest hardware all the time.
Don't you think it would cost more for the CPU makers to keep making the slower chips, than
it is to move all their manufacturing to better designs and processes? It would probably
take more effort for them to dumb down thier CPUs for the masses than it is to simply
sell the end-users on the same processors that they aim at businesses and wonks/gamers.
yeah but i really think that considering the amount of cooling and power PCs use now, its not like it used to be. the only reason clock speeds are so high is because of competition. In the 80s and early 90s desktop CPUs would not have been pushed nearly as far. We would have a athlon 1000 right now, but based on the palamino core, with a rather small heatsink and fan not some giant fan that weighs a pound. Same with graphics cards, eventually they are gonna realize they cant push it anymore and have to be more conservative with what things are run at.
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