Has anyone here read this book?

[FuzzyBee]

Amazon link

I just ordered it online after reading an article that mentioned it. Apparently, it's written by a left-leaning guy that moved to the Netherlands from the US to live with his gay partner after experiencing what he felt was religious oppresion in the States.

Has anybody here read it? Do you have any opinions on it? Have I wasted my $15 on half.com?

 

[Moonbeam]

You should read Revelations while your at it. When Alice said "Feed your head" she didn't mean feed your psychosis.

Terror is the fear that unconscious and suppressed childhood trauma will erupt into consciousness. An excessive amount of it is harder than average to keep down. This creates an excessively sensitive person who sees his internal fears everywhere. The hate of the other, really is fear, the fear that the other will rework what has already happened. The need for terror, the unconscious desire to experience it, why we unconsciously cause our own destruction, is our need to remember. The last thing we want to do is remember what happened to us, but we know also unconsciously that the door back to life is through trauma. We just create new trauma, though, instead of the one we don't want to remember.

This is the simple answer to the whole story of humanity, the key to human understanding, but it will be totally ignored because it is the last thing anybody wants to know.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You should read Revelations while your at it. When Alice said "Feed your head" she didn't mean feed your psychosis.

Terror is the fear that unconscious and suppressed childhood trauma will erupt into consciousness. An excessive amount of it is harder than average to keep down. This creates an excessively sensitive person who sees his internal fears everywhere. The hate of the other, really is fear, the fear that the other will rework what has already happened. The need for terror, the unconscious desire to experience it, why we unconsciously cause our own destruction, is our need to remember. The last thing we want to do is remember what happened to us, but we know also unconsciously that the door back to life is through trauma. We just create new trauma, though, instead of the one we don't want to remember.

This is the simple answer to the whole story of humanity, the key to human understanding, but it will be totally ignored because it is the last thing anybody wants to know.

What in the world does this have to do with my question?

I'll take that as a "no, I haven't read this book", BTW.

 

[CaptnKirk]

How can you face fear long enough to come out from hiding under your bed to go to the mail box to get your 'Dummies Guide to Panic' ?


Why would anyone waste thier time reading a book like this?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
How can you face fear long enough to come out from hiding under your bed to go to the mail box to get your 'Dummies Guide to Panic' ?

Why would anyone waste thier time reading a book like this?

do you only read books that you agree with ahead of time? that explains an awful lot about you... When doing research and analysis, it's always a good idea to read books discussing every side of the issue. How else can one begin to formulate any type of responsible conclusion?

I have read the book. It's decent, and it's one of the hundreds that I've read on the subject that I would recommend. It's always great to see a self-declared liberal wake up and see the threat of Islamic Fascism for what it is.

 

[Craig234]

o you only read books that you agree with ahead of time? that explains an awful lot about you... When doing research and analysis, it's always a good idea to read books discussing every side of the issue. How else can one begin to formulate any type of responsible conclusion?

As if you have read "What Liberal Media?" by Eric Alterman, "Armed Madhouse" by Greg Palast, or either "Unequal Protection" or "Screwed" by Thom Hartmann.

You could probably especially benefit from "War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning" by Chris Hedge, and I can imagine you might actually read that one.

Since you are obsess...er, concentrated on the 'Muslim threat', I hear Robert Fisk is widely consiidered very good. I'd guess you may have read one or more of his books; what did you think of him?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
How can you face fear long enough to come out from hiding under your bed to go to the mail box to get your 'Dummies Guide to Panic' ?

Why would anyone waste thier time reading a book like this?

do you only read books that you agree with ahead of time? that explains an awful lot about you... When doing research and analysis, it's always a good idea to read books discussing every side of the issue. How else can one begin to formulate any type of responsible conclusion?

I have read the book. It's decent, and it's one of the hundreds that I've read on the subject that I would recommend. It's always great to see a self-declared liberal wake up and see the threat of Islamic Fascism for what it is.

Well there goes a bonehead ASSUMING - again.

I'm too busy reading important things now than to engage in trivial crap that doesn't really affect me,
than to concern myself with how gay lovers in Amsterdam worry about religious fanatics that have darker skins than
the domestic religious fanatics that persecuted them here before they left to get away from the political dominance that the evangalistic movement was superimposing on the Republican Party.
But you go right on ahead assuming things that you know nothing about, and keep that little view point closed.

Why are you so 'fraid? Aren't you on a Military base with some real soldiers to protect you while you'rre busy fearing things?
Still got those thousands of Mexicans walking everywhere on Fort Huachuca not being challenged by Soldiers and Guards like you once tried to assert?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
It's always great to see a self-declared liberal wake up and see the threat of Islamic Fascism for what it is.

Excuse me, any kind of Fascism is a bad thing including the Republican Facsism you've been pushing and supporting the last six years.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Excuse me, any kind of Fascism is a bad thing including the Republican Facsism you've been pushing and supporting the last six years.

holy crap.. you guys can turn anything into a Bush-bashing session, can't you? wow.

let me clarify: IF you are interested in the threat of Islamic Fascism, then the book IS worth reading; as are hundreds of others. That said, your attitudes seem to indicate that you could care less about the external threats facing our nation. so be it... there are plenty of us working on the issue.

Originally posted by: Craig234

o you only read books that you agree with ahead of time? that explains an awful lot about you... When doing research and analysis, it's always a good idea to read books discussing every side of the issue. How else can one begin to formulate any type of responsible conclusion?

As if you have read "What Liberal Media?" by Eric Alterman, "Armed Madhouse" by Greg Palast, or either "Unequal Protection" or "Screwed" by Thom Hartmann.

You could probably especially benefit from "War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning" by Chris Hedge, and I can imagine you might actually read that one.

Since you are obsess...er, concentrated on the 'Muslim threat', I hear Robert Fisk is widely consiidered very good. I'd guess you may have read one or more of his books; what did you think of him?

Are the first few you mentioned decent books? What is their premise beyond the obvious statements in their titles? I'll have to check them out. As for Fisk, I've read "The Great War for Civilization: The Conquest of the Middle East", and it wasn't badly written. However, Fisk tends to focus more on his hatred of "the man," or any person in power for that matter, than on the issues and potential solutions themselves. I took from them that Fisk's idea of a solution would involve some sort of Global Socialist Utopia with no real leadership... Like one gigantic commune!

but yes, I did read it.

I am always willing to read/hear anything and anybodies take on the issues, so I'll go check out the other books you suggested.

I believe that one thing it all comes down to is one's level of personal interest in a subject. For obvious reasons, I focus most of my reading on the subjects of Islam, terror, and the history of each. It only makes sense that I am more well read in these topics than, say, internal squabbling between the democrats and republicans... or the gays and the straight... etc. I am much less interested in those topics, so I've read less having to do with them. that makes sense, right?

But, when it comes to any subject, it is always important to read everything you can get your hands on, regardless of source or bias.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You should read Revelations while your at it. When Alice said "Feed your head" she didn't mean feed your psychosis.

Terror is the fear that unconscious and suppressed childhood trauma will erupt into consciousness. An excessive amount of it is harder than average to keep down. This creates an excessively sensitive person who sees his internal fears everywhere. The hate of the other, really is fear, the fear that the other will rework what has already happened. The need for terror, the unconscious desire to experience it, why we unconsciously cause our own destruction, is our need to remember. The last thing we want to do is remember what happened to us, but we know also unconsciously that the door back to life is through trauma. We just create new trauma, though, instead of the one we don't want to remember.

This is the simple answer to the whole story of humanity, the key to human understanding, but it will be totally ignored because it is the last thing anybody wants to know.

What in the world does this have to do with my question?

I'll take that as a "no, I haven't read this book", BTW.

What does it have to do with your question? I will say it again so it can go right past you and be ignored twice. My post answers your question and all questions as follows:

This is the simple answer to the whole story of humanity, the key to human understanding, but it will be totally ignored because it is the last thing anybody wants to know.

You will not let, cannot let yourself understand what I said so you can't possibly see the connection.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
How can you face fear long enough to come out from hiding under your bed to go to the mail box to get your 'Dummies Guide to Panic' ?


Why would anyone waste thier time reading a book like this?

I'll take that as a "No, I haven't read it", as well.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
How can you face fear long enough to come out from hiding under your bed to go to the mail box to get your 'Dummies Guide to Panic' ?

Why would anyone waste thier time reading a book like this?

do you only read books that you agree with ahead of time? that explains an awful lot about you... When doing research and analysis, it's always a good idea to read books discussing every side of the issue. How else can one begin to formulate any type of responsible conclusion?

I have read the book. It's decent, and it's one of the hundreds that I've read on the subject that I would recommend. It's always great to see a self-declared liberal wake up and see the threat of Islamic Fascism for what it is.

Well there goes a bonehead ASSUMING - again.

I'm too busy reading important things now than to engage in trivial crap that doesn't really affect me,
than to concern myself with how gay lovers in Amsterdam worry about religious fanatics that have darker skins than
the domestic religious fanatics that persecuted them here before they left to get away from the political dominance that the evangalistic movement was superimposing on the Republican Party.
But you go right on ahead assuming things that you know nothing about, and keep that little view point closed.

Why are you so 'fraid? Aren't you on a Military base with some real soldiers to protect you while you'rre busy fearing things?
Still got those thousands of Mexicans walking everywhere on Fort Huachuca not being challenged by Soldiers and Guards like you once tried to assert?

Thanks for putting it in concrete and clear terms of a kind people can better understand. I was tempted, but only momentarily, to say basically what you said, but I wanted to do it in general terms.

Gay is traumatized by Fundamentalists for being gay, moves to Europe and his nightmares resurface there. So obvious one would think no explanation would actually be needed, but there it is. Hehe, it's hard to believe people don't all see such things.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
How can you face fear long enough to come out from hiding under your bed to go to the mail box to get your 'Dummies Guide to Panic' ?


Why would anyone waste thier time reading a book like this?

I'll take that as a "No, I haven't read it", as well.

Oh? and you are an authority as to where to butt in where you have no business?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
How can you face fear long enough to come out from hiding under your bed to go to the mail box to get your 'Dummies Guide to Panic' ?


Why would anyone waste thier time reading a book like this?

I'll take that as a "No, I haven't read it", as well.

Oh? and you are an authority as to where to butt in where you have no business?

Geez. I guess I am an idiot - I thought that I would get intelligent discourse here.

In case you didn't notice, I'm asking if anyone here has read this book, and what those people's opinion of it is. Instead, this is the kind of response I get.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
How can you face fear long enough to come out from hiding under your bed to go to the mail box to get your 'Dummies Guide to Panic' ?


Why would anyone waste thier time reading a book like this?

Agreed. France has no problems with the local Muslim populations. AQll that rioting? That was just the media lying. And Muslims are very friendly in the UK. And Holland has embraced the Muslim population with much success.

Its so ignorant of people to think Muslims might wish harm on others, might try to undermine the cultural values and laws of the country they move to, might wish to implement their own laws over other Muslims, might riot and cause havoc and chaos or cause any other manner of problems for that matter.

Its called the Religion of Peace for a reason. Its a very peaceful understanding religion. In fact, I dont know if 1 Muslim the world over has ever engaged in any act that would be harmful to another person.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Yeah, like a minority of activists speak for all the people of thier decent.

A handfull of Muslin Radicals are the mainstream for the other 500 million non radicals in the same way
as 30 million fanatical Evangelists are the mainstream for the other 270 million Christians in America.
MS13 is the voice of the Hispanic Male throughout Mexico and Sounth America.

Kvetching for the sake of kvetching

 

[JEDIYoda]

well the author of that book is bruce bawerand here is what wiki-pedia says about the author--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Bawer

along with several book reviews--
http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2006/02/a_book_worth_a.php

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?articleID=1386&terms=

escerptd taken from one review--
He hoped a move to the famously tolerant Amsterdam and more sophisticated Europe would find a friendlier environment than the ?backward? America. However, his sojourn did not work out that way. Instead, his exposure to European pretentions gave him a new appreciation for the American character -- its fairness, honesty, genuine friendliness and the willingness of accept immigrants into the community. As his respect for Americans increased, his regard for Europeans dropped correspondingly.

Also troubling is the extreme anti-Americanism existing throughout European societies. The anger goes beyond a basic disagreement about how conflict should be settled, with many Europeans believing that reconciliation through dialogue is the only acceptable strategy. (Have they forgotten that Hitler was not defeated through earnest discussion? The European ideal has evidently reverted to appeasement in the Chamberlain style.) The author reveals the omnipresence of the most extreme anti-American ideas, that the United States is the Nazi Germany of modern times and Bush is its Hitler.

So on and so forth...

 

[SamurAchzar]

Radicals can be found in any group. Do you have any idea what the stance of the 500 million non-radical Muslims? How many, do you think, support your values? Your way of living? How many of them WISH to live under Islamic regime?

Moonbeam, as always, has little to offer other than his rather amusing signature. I like this fella.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Craig234

o you only read books that you agree with ahead of time? that explains an awful lot about you... When doing research and analysis, it's always a good idea to read books discussing every side of the issue. How else can one begin to formulate any type of responsible conclusion?

As if you have read "What Liberal Media?" by Eric Alterman, "Armed Madhouse" by Greg Palast, or either "Unequal Protection" or "Screwed" by Thom Hartmann.

You could probably especially benefit from "War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning" by Chris Hedge, and I can imagine you might actually read that one.

Since you are obsess...er, concentrated on the 'Muslim threat', I hear Robert Fisk is widely consiidered very good. I'd guess you may have read one or more of his books; what did you think of him?

They're the ones swearing death to America, who have very noticeably hurt this country by killing 3,000 with 19 and box cutters, and who are developing nuclear technology. Anyone who can think past our own political civil war can understand that there is a large scale threat from Islamic Jihadists, and soon they will have dominion over Europe, Africa, and half of Asia.

Only those who intend to submit to them need not be concerned.

 

[sandorski]

It's on my To Read list. Right after Mein Kaumf(sp) and Mao's Red Book.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Craig234

o you only read books that you agree with ahead of time? that explains an awful lot about you... When doing research and analysis, it's always a good idea to read books discussing every side of the issue. How else can one begin to formulate any type of responsible conclusion?

As if you have read "What Liberal Media?" by Eric Alterman, "Armed Madhouse" by Greg Palast, or either "Unequal Protection" or "Screwed" by Thom Hartmann.

You could probably especially benefit from "War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning" by Chris Hedge, and I can imagine you might actually read that one.

Since you are obsess...er, concentrated on the 'Muslim threat', I hear Robert Fisk is widely consiidered very good. I'd guess you may have read one or more of his books; what did you think of him?

They're the ones swearing death to America, who have very noticeably hurt this country by killing 3,000 with 19 and box cutters, and who are developing nuclear technology. Anyone who can think past our own political civil war can understand that there is a large scale threat from Islamic Jihadists, and soon they will have dominion over Europe, Africa, and half of Asia.

Only those who intend to submit to them need not be concerned.

I think you meant to say "Only the liberals need not be concerned".

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Craig234

o you only read books that you agree with ahead of time? that explains an awful lot about you... When doing research and analysis, it's always a good idea to read books discussing every side of the issue. How else can one begin to formulate any type of responsible conclusion?

As if you have read "What Liberal Media?" by Eric Alterman, "Armed Madhouse" by Greg Palast, or either "Unequal Protection" or "Screwed" by Thom Hartmann.

You could probably especially benefit from "War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning" by Chris Hedge, and I can imagine you might actually read that one.

Since you are obsess...er, concentrated on the 'Muslim threat', I hear Robert Fisk is widely consiidered very good. I'd guess you may have read one or more of his books; what did you think of him?

They're the ones swearing death to America, who have very noticeably hurt this country by killing 3,000 with 19 and box cutters, and who are developing nuclear technology. Anyone who can think past our own political civil war can understand that there is a large scale threat from Islamic Jihadists, and soon they will have dominion over Europe, Africa, and half of Asia.

Only those who intend to submit to them need not be concerned.

And that's the real problem, isn't it? "Concern" is treated as such a black and white issue by people that unless you are running around, waving your arms and screaming that the sky is falling, you aren't "concerned" and are assumed to be planning on surrendering to the threat any day now. Are radical Islamic terrorists a threat worth keeping an eye on? Obviously. Are they a threat of such magnitude that we need to run around screaming about the end of our civilization and way of life? I don't think so, and I think anyone who's RATIONALLY looking at the problem would agree with me.

Life is full of problems and concerns, that doesn't mean we need to totally freak out when facing them. Am I concerned that I might get in a car accident when I go for a drive? Sure, that's why I drive safely and wear my seatbelt...but I don't hide under my bed and refuse to leave the house because some idiot on his cell phone might hit me. Same with Muslim extremists. We keep an eye on them and make sure our intelligence agencies have the resources to keep the more violent ones from doing anything stupid, and we go about our lives. Fox recently ran a fearmongering special about a movie titled "Obsession", which I think could easily refer to the paranoia gripping some people in this country about the issue. And statistically speaking, you face FAR more of a threat getting into your car for a drive to work than you do from the radical Islamic bogeyman.