Has anyone ever read "How to argue and win every time"?
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I'm never going to agree w/ you on this parent licensing thing you've had going on for a while...
Ya know, humans have been making babies for thousands and thousands of years now without parent licenses.
Yes, there are some bad parents. But this is a little too Orwellian for my tastes.
What moral authority would you have decide who's fit to have kids?
Yes, there are some bad parents. But this is a little too Orwellian for my tastes.
What moral authority would you have decide who's fit to have kids?
The only problem with that is, who sets the rules for what a parent should be? I know alot of parents are harder than I am, and a lot are easier. I am not a perfect mom, but I love my kids, and I am a damn good one. I'm definitely not your conventional PTA mom, but my kids are great, have manners, are well behaved and are just general great kids, who are happy as hell.
So who says what the right way to raise a child is?
So who says what the right way to raise a child is?
No, but I can tell you how to without reading a book:
1. Make a statement
2. If someone disagrees, thrash them with a sack full of doorknobs.
Aaah...the elitists with their policy wand. What next, no more "inalienable rights" only "state-certified privileges upon passing exams?"
apoppin
Lifer
Not on these forums.
Perhaps schools can focus on more practical parenting education (maybe not; all the current parents are in disagreement on everything else).
Originally posted by: apoppin
Not on these forums.
Perhaps schools can focus on more practical parenting education (maybe not; all the current parents are in disagreement on everything else).
The problem is instruction in practical parenting does not a good parent make....
GF hit the nail on the head. There is no real acceptable standard for good parenting.... we all know what horrible parenting is but there are degrees of bad which are sufficiently close to acceptable as to make a determination of "correct" impossible.
This is itself is one of the problems and has been mentioned laterally within the thread. Humans have been raising children for millions of years.... culturally a great deal of value as an "adult" is placed on your ability to parent well... considering there is no training besides what our parents offered us through example it is often difficult for a parent to feel they are doing a job that is acceptable as defined by that somewhat nebulous cultural more.
Parenting cannot be defined... perhaps because in its purest form is an expression of Love which also balks at any attempt at definition.
GF hit the nail on the head. There is no real acceptable standard for good parenting.... we all know what horrible parenting is but there are degrees of bad which are sufficiently close to acceptable as to make a determination of "correct" impossible.
would it be so bad to try and stop horrible parenting? at least we would be trying to improve, instead of just living with whatever happens.
This is itself is one of the problems and has been mentioned laterally within the thread. Humans have been raising children for millions of years.... culturally a great deal of value as an "adult" is placed on your ability to parent well... considering there is no training besides what our parents offered us through example it is often difficult for a parent to feel they are doing a job that is acceptable as defined by that somewhat nebulous cultural more.
that may be true, but frankly, i don't want somebody who would put their own self-esteem in front of their child, being a parent.
would it be so bad to try and stop horrible parenting? at least we would be trying to improve, instead of just living with whatever happens.
This is itself is one of the problems and has been mentioned laterally within the thread. Humans have been raising children for millions of years.... culturally a great deal of value as an "adult" is placed on your ability to parent well... considering there is no training besides what our parents offered us through example it is often difficult for a parent to feel they are doing a job that is acceptable as defined by that somewhat nebulous cultural more.
that may be true, but frankly, i don't want somebody who would put their own self-esteem in front of their child, being a parent.
who sets the rules for how people should drive? or how people should be doctors?
nobody's asking for a conventional PTA mom... all i'm saying is maybe we should make an effort to prevent parents from screwing up their children so much. it really scares me when i hear people say that children should fear their parents, beatings are good, etc, etc, etc. i know my opinion is not a popular one, but i take comfort in knowing that some day in the far future, everybody will find that i was right
not licences, but certainly something should be done IMO.
Offering parenting classes as a social program (hey, I'd attend if I were to have children. HTF am I supposed to know how to raise them!). I know people differ on how to raise children, but there ARE some basics everyone agrees on. Classes could also focus on more general aspects. Instead of saying how you should raise the kids exactly (for example: kid skips curfew = 1 day grounded for every hour late), outline the most efficient way to do something and give examples (for example: Kids should learn not to be late, this can be accomplished in severa different ways......)
Taxing people more for not taking these classes is a good idea. Insurance companies already do this with drivers (if I dont take drivers school, I get a higher premium), same principle.
Offering parenting classes as a social program (hey, I'd attend if I were to have children. HTF am I supposed to know how to raise them!). I know people differ on how to raise children, but there ARE some basics everyone agrees on. Classes could also focus on more general aspects. Instead of saying how you should raise the kids exactly (for example: kid skips curfew = 1 day grounded for every hour late), outline the most efficient way to do something and give examples (for example: Kids should learn not to be late, this can be accomplished in severa different ways......)
Taxing people more for not taking these classes is a good idea. Insurance companies already do this with drivers (if I dont take drivers school, I get a higher premium), same principle.
Where I go, they have a few courses called:
Logic
Advanced Problems in Logic
Symbolic Logic
The last one is the one a professor referred to as the one to take if you never want to lose an argument again.
heh, little different than this book. you'll never really *win* an argument based on logic alone
Originally posted by: gopunk
heh, little different than this book. you'll never really *win* an argument based on logic alone
He didn't say you would win everytime, just that you wouldn't lose
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