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Has Anime become mainstream in the US?

Saga

Banned
I remember watching oldschool Dominion Tank Police and Mars Wars on Sci-Fi circa 1997 on their AniSundays programming and was basically hooked ever since. I pop my head in a few AT anime threads every now and then, and anyone who knows me closely knows I have a collection of some 300 different anime titles between myself and the wife. For the most part, I tend to keep it on the DL, specifically because it's always felt like one of those niche things and most people associate anime with anime conventions and anime conventions with renissance faires so by proxy you tend to be lumped immediately into the LARP crowd (somehow) whenever you mention it to uneducated people.

However, Americanized anime ala CartoonNetwork's adult swim seems to be having a strange effect on US citizens. When I say "Americanized", I basically mean how they tend to pick only the ones without an excessive amount of sex, but it appears tons of blood and gore is totally cool in true US-Christian fashion. Boobies bad murdering people good.

This weekend, a few of the guys in the legal team were working at the office. I'm talking older guys - a few in their late 30's, the rest 50's-60's. They called me asking how to hook one of the ceiling DLP's and speaker system in a conference room to watch a movie during a break from one of their 12 hour long meeting sessions they tend to be fascinated with doing on Sunday's. I tried to walk them through it and eventually just gave up and strode into the office to hook things up for them.

There were about 7 guys and two ladies, they had beer, and pizza. I walked in assuming they'd want to watch sports or some shit on cable, and instead find myself presented with the box sets for GTO and Elfin Lied. GTO I can understand, I own the manga and absolutely love Onizuka, but Elfin fucking Lied? Elfin Lied is about as cult-niche otaku as you fucking get, and when I inquired if they'd actually SEEN it, one of the girls pipes up and said they were halfway through it from the last two weeks and she borrowed it from her 12 year old daughter.

I was absolutely shocked. I by no means hold myself to the same "elevated" (see: ridiculous and typically hypocritical) standards of most people when it comes to what I think children should be watching - hell I was watching Hellraiser in my basement when I was 9 years old and my mom was delivering snacks so I've always sort of believed exposure to adult themes is extremely healthy for someone.. but Elfin fucking Lied being watched by a 12 year old? Shit. We're fucked!
 
Originally posted by: RESmonkey
cliffs?

12 year old girls and 50 year old legal business professional men/women watch an anime about 13 year old biolgically engineered girls with psychic powers who run around naked being catered to by doctors who they love and thus have severe daddy issues. Said girls are basically bioengineered military weapons who proceed to fight each other by ripping off arms legs and whatever else in a bloody massacre that can only be compared to Japan gore films.
 
Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: RESmonkey
cliffs?

12 year old girls and 50 year old legal business professional men/women watch an anime about 13 year old biolgically engineered girls with psychic powers who run around naked being catered to by doctors who they love and thus have severe daddy issues. Said girls are basically bioengineered military weapons who proceed to fight each other by ripping off arms legs and whatever else in a bloody massacre that can only be compared to Japan gore films.

Evangelion?
 
Originally posted by: RESmonkey

Evangelion?

Wtf. No. Elfin Lied and GTO. Jesus the OP wasn't THAT long you lazy fucks.

Originally posted by: Andrew1990
wow, Elfen Lied is not for 12 year olds lol. Entertaining but way to adult oriented.

Precisely why I made this thread. This just floored me.
 
Elfen Lied isn't cult Otaku at all. Elfen Lied is for people who think they are becoming "masters" at anime, and watch it for the "symbolism" and "maturity" of the show, when in reality, its just another shock show. Its sort of mainstream at this point actually.
 
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Elfen Lied isn't cult Otaku at all. Elfen Lied is for people who think they are becoming "masters" at anime, and watch it for the "symbolism" and "maturity" of the show, when in reality, its just another shock show. Its sort of mainstream at this point actually.

If Elfen Lied is mainstream now a days, then a lot has changed since I was younger. I remember Gundam was mainstream when I was young, but I dont think Elfen lied or the like will ever be mainstream.
 
Originally posted by: Saga
I remember watching oldschool Dominion Tank Police and Mars Wars on Sci-Fi circa 1997 on their AniSundays programming and was basically hooked ever since. I pop my head in a few AT anime threads every now and then, and anyone who knows me closely knows I have a collection of some 300 different anime titles between myself and the wife. For the most part, I tend to keep it on the DL, specifically because it's always felt like one of those niche things and most people associate anime with anime conventions and anime conventions with renissance faires so by proxy you tend to be lumped immediately into the LARP crowd (somehow) whenever you mention it to uneducated people.

However, Americanized anime ala CartoonNetwork's adult swim seems to be having a strange effect on US citizens. When I say "Americanized", I basically mean how they tend to pick only the ones without an excessive amount of sex, but it appears tons of blood and gore is totally cool in true US-Christian fashion. Boobies bad murdering people good.

This weekend, a few of the guys in the legal team were working at the office. I'm talking older guys - a few in their late 30's, the rest 50's-60's. They called me asking how to hook one of the ceiling DLP's and speaker system in a conference room to watch a movie during a break from one of their 12 hour long meeting sessions they tend to be fascinated with doing on Sunday's. I tried to walk them through it and eventually just gave up and strode into the office to hook things up for them.

There were about 7 guys and two ladies, they had beer, and pizza. I walked in assuming they'd want to watch sports or some shit on cable, and instead find myself presented with the box sets for GTO and Elfin Lied. GTO I can understand, I own the manga and absolutely love Onizuka, but Elfin fucking Lied? Elfin Lied is about as cult-niche otaku as you fucking get, and when I inquired if they'd actually SEEN it, one of the girls pipes up and said they were halfway through it from the last two weeks and she borrowed it from her 12 year old daughter.

I was absolutely shocked. I by no means hold myself to the same "elevated" (see: ridiculous and typically hypocritical) standards of most people when it comes to what I think children should be watching - hell I was watching Hellraiser in my basement when I was 9 years old and my mom was delivering snacks so I've always sort of believed exposure to adult themes is extremely healthy for someone.. but Elfin fucking Lied being watched by a 12 year old? Shit. We're fucked!

old school? 1997? the fuck...

elfin lied? cult otaku? the fuck...


lulz
 
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Elfen Lied isn't cult Otaku at all. Elfen Lied is for people who think they are becoming "masters" at anime, and watch it for the "symbolism" and "maturity" of the show, when in reality, its just another shock show. Its sort of mainstream at this point actually.

word to your moms
 
Originally posted by: randay

old school? 1997? the fuck...

elfin lied? cult otaku? the fuck...


lulz

Please. Outside of Akira, what anime have you ever seen on basic cable networks before SciFi did their AniSunday's?

Can't think of one? Thats probably because the few that were (if any were actually on basic cable, ever) were obscure and VERY cartoonish - ala Astro Boy and Yamato type bullshit. Please get the fuck out and troll elsewhere.
 
Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: randay

old school? 1997? the fuck...

elfin lied? cult otaku? the fuck...


lulz

Please. Outside of Akira, what anime have you ever seen on basic cable networks before SciFi did their AniSunday's?

Can't think of one? Thats probably because the few that were (if any were actually on basic cable, ever) were obscure and VERY cartoonish - ala Astro Boy and Yamato type bullshit. Please get the fuck out and troll elsewhere.

Well there have been a few on Adult Swim over the past few years. I cant name any off the top of my head but there must have been at least 1 or 2 of them.

Also, I thought it was Animonday and not AniSunday?
 
Originally posted by: Andrew1990

Also, I thought it was Animonday and not AniSunday?

You're probably right, my memory is pretty fucking horrible. It had to be 1995-1996ish, they showed DTP, Mars Wars, Iria, and a ton of other obscure non-series anime feature films that I can't really remember the names to anymore. Most of what they played were released in Japan 1980-1990. Akira of course being a major exception. But before that I can't think of any mainstream anime.
 
The real question is: were they watching with jp audio and english subtitles, or english dubs?

Because dubs are horrible 90% of the time.
 
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
The real question is: were they watching with jp audio and english subtitles, or english dubs?

Because dubs are horrible 90% of the time.

Sadly, so true. I can name so many dubbed series who used voice actors who absolutely slaughtered the dialogue and characters. Eva is a HUGE one, fucking Shinji couldn't have sounded like a bigger whiny fucking bitch if they tried. They needed to pick someone who's balls have dropped to accurately play a 14 year old.
 
Elfen Lied is definitely mainstream. But I'm surprised there's 50-year old dudes watching it. I think that's flipping awesome.

Dismemberment, copious amounts of blood, titties, pantsu and incest = cross-generational appeal
 
Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: randay

old school? 1997? the fuck...

elfin lied? cult otaku? the fuck...


lulz

Please. Outside of Akira, what anime have you ever seen on basic cable networks before SciFi did their AniSunday's?

Can't think of one? Thats probably because the few that were (if any were actually on basic cable, ever) were obscure and VERY cartoonish - ala Astro Boy and Yamato type bullshit. Please get the fuck out and troll elsewhere.

robotech, voltron. thats a couple of my favs i remember from TV for starters. then i sought anime through vhs, 3x3 eyes, ranma 1/2, macross, bgc, dbz... many more i cant remember. then the internets appeared (<3 geocities, irc) berserk, slayers, recca, irresponsible captain taylor, evangelion, saber marionette, studio ghibli, lain, maison ikkouku, kenshin, bebop, trigun, champloo, naruto, bleach, etc... nowadays i dont have time to watch anything though so i dont bother anymore.


 
Originally posted by: Crono
Naruto and Bleach are mainstream. Elfen Lied is not mainstream.

^This.

Elfenlied (the way it should have been spelled) is also not something a 12yo should be watching...
 
When I watched the first episode of Elfen Lied I was staring at "wtf is this shit" and wondering if I even wanted to continue it. It was worth it. I hate how egotistical people are with quickly stamping anything with a fanbase of more than 1 person as "mainstream" as if its something that only "unsophisticated masses" would watch. Elfen Lied was great. It really showed the dark, gritty nature of a depraved world. It is definitely worth watching, even if it has the term "mainstream anime" :roll:
 
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
When I watched the first episode of Elfen Lied I was staring at "wtf is this shit" and wondering if I even wanted to continue it. It was worth it.


LOL, wow, that is exactly what I thought when I watched the first 5 minutes. You can read minds, quick, what am I thinking of right now!

 
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