Harvard Hometown Plans Coercive Taxes, Bans and Veganism to Stop Climate 'Emergency'

Amused

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While the recent Audi commercial was funny, it was also scary... and this proves it may have been prophetic.

Can you say "Eco fascism?"

Harvard Hometown Plans Coercive Taxes, Veganism to Stop Climate 'Emergency'
By Joshua Rhett Miller

Going green will not be optional in Cambridge, Mass., if the Cambridge Climate Congress has its way. It will be mandatory.

There will be congestion pricing to reduce car travel. Curbside parking will be eliminated. There will be a carbon tax "of some kind," not to mention taxes on plastic and paper bags. And the Massachusetts city, home of Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, will advocate vegetarianism and veganism, complete with "Meatless or Vegan Mondays."

Those are just some of the proposals put forth by the Congress, which was created in May 2009 to respond to the "climate emergency" plaguing Cambridge. Once the Congress settles on its recommendations, they will submitted to the City Council.

"This emergency is created by the growth of local greenhouse gas emissions despite the urgent warnings of climate scientists that substantial reductions are needed in order to reduce the risk of disastrous changes to our climate," the Climate Congress reported in proposals issued on Jan. 23. "This proposal is made in the belief that an effective local response is, if anything, made more urgent by so far inadequate global agreements and federal policies for emissions reductions. It is made in the belief that our City should lead by example."

Click here to see the Climate Congress recommendations.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/021210_cambridge.pdf

While the group's proposals remain a work in a progress, some experts say the potential measures it advocates are "heavy-handed" and incongruous. But others say the city just might be onto something, particularly if the taxes associated with the plan are used to make buildings and transportation more efficient.

Dr. Ken Green, a resident scholar on environment and energy at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative Washington-based think tank, said he found an "overall redundancy" in the proposals, specifically regarding a carbon-based tax coupled with congestion pricing, increased parking meter rates and parking tickets.

"That's just a revenue-raiser for the city," said Green. "There's an overall incoherence of having a carbon tax and three or four indirect taxes."

To best reduce emissions in the near-term, Green suggested a revenue-neutral carbon tax, meaning that little -- if any -- of the funds raised would be retained by municipal government. The vast majority under such a plan would be returned to the public.

"It creates an incentive to become more energy efficient to either avoid the tax or keep as much of any rebate as possible," Green said. "But if they do the [carbon] tax, they should get rid of almost all of the other things. If the point is to put a price on carbon, pick one price, make it transparent and then get rid of the other regulations, which end up overpricing carbon. So if you had your carbon tax, you don't need your congestion pricing because people are already paying the tax in their gasoline."

Green also said the proposal to ban the production and distribution of plastic bags and bottled water in city limits is as "heavy-handed as government can get" and questioned Cambridge's proposal to institute disincentives for the purchase of non-regional food.

"Trying to grow something out of season in a greenhouse locally may produce more greenhouse gas emissions than having the same food shipped in from a place where it grows naturally," he said. "Studies do not come down uniformly on the side that local is better."

But Richard Rood, a professor of atmospheric, oceanic, and space sciences at the University of Michigan, praised Cambridge's proposal to create a "temperate zone" program, in which building are neither heated nor cooled during the fall and spring.

"That is a place where you might make a difference," said Rood, who writes a blog for Weather Underground.

He also praised the city's proposal to advocate vegetarianism and veganism.

"From a climate point of view, eating less meat would have a climate impact," said Rood, citing increased deforestation, methane production, fertilizer use and greenhouse gases associated with maintaining that land. "Eating less meat is for the environment in many ways.

Regarding the possibility of a carbon tax, Rood, who supports such a move on a national level, said the impact on a city level would be "fairly small." The real positive effect, he said, would be if the plan caught on in other cities if successful.

"In general, if you look at how policy develops, it often starts on regional and local scales and then advances forward," he said. "Cambridge is full of really smart people, so you know, it has the potential."

It still remains to be seen, however, how these proposals will be received by Cambridge residents. Cambridge City Councilor Sam Seidel, who spoke to FoxNews.com after riding his bicycle to his office, said that remains the key unanswered question.

"The challenge in broadest terms is to figure out what makes sense, what doable, but all of that in the context of how much ground we have to cover," he said. "We have to be realistic on what we're going to be able to accomplish."

Seidel said the Climate Congress will next meet on March 6, at which point the next steps regarding the 20-page proposal will be decided. Any success in slashing greenhouse gas emissions will hinge on individual efforts, he said.

"It's my own view that while governmental action is going to be an important part of any successes we're going to have, individual citizens are also going to have to take individual ownership and responsibility for their own actions," he said. "It's only by working together that we're going to see the necessary reductions that climate scientists have been calling for."

Asked if the proposal amounted to a series of taxes, Seidel said, "The goal of truly, accurately evaluating the cost of our decisions is an important part of greenhouse gas emissions reductions, it's really pointing out to people what their choices imply."

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/12/cambridge-plans-taxes-veganism-climate-change/
 

Corn

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Silly liberals. I'm going to enjoy watching Cambridge become a ghost town.
 

Carmen813

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I thought you guys were all about state and local government...maybe you just prefer anarchy? If the citizens of Cambridge don't like these proposals they will vote them out. What is the problem?
 

Amused

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I thought you guys were all about state and local government...maybe you just prefer anarchy? If the citizens of Cambridge don't like these proposals they will vote them out. What is the problem?

Who are "you guys?"
 

WHAMPOM

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I thought you guys were all about state and local government...maybe you just prefer anarchy? If the citizens of Cambridge don't like these proposals they will vote them out. What is the problem?

Hysterical Alarmism? Or can't let other people shoot and hit the moon.
 

nick1985

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I thought you guys were all about state and local government...maybe you just prefer anarchy? If the citizens of Cambridge don't like these proposals they will vote them out. What is the problem?

I love your posts
 

JohnnyGage

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Kinda reminds me of this scene from a rock and roll "documentary'

Ian Faith: The Boston gig has been cancelled...
David St. Hubbins: What?
Ian Faith: Yeah. I wouldn't worry about it though, it's not a big college town

Dibs on the Outback. Arugula salad will be on the menu!
 

MotF Bane

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Kinda reminds me of this scene from a rock and roll "documentary'

Ian Faith: The Boston gig has been cancelled...
David St. Hubbins: What?
Ian Faith: Yeah. I wouldn't worry about it though, it's not a big college town

Dibs on the Outback. Arugula salad will be on the menu!

Nope, just a couple small schools. No big deal.
 

CPA

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I thought you guys were all about state and local government...maybe you just prefer anarchy? If the citizens of Cambridge don't like these proposals they will vote them out. What is the problem?


whooosh...that's the point of the article going right over your head.

The issue is the proposal, not the government entity.
 

spidey07

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Those measures are truly insane and shows just how far they want to go. It's not about choosing "greener" measures, it's about completely dictating how you live, eat and grow food, etc.

And what the hell is a "Cambridge Climate Congress"? What power to they have and are they elected officials? Or just a bunch of eco-nazis trying, and successfully influencing local law and policy?

Read the whole article, it's down right scary.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/cambridg...r-Simmons-launches-Cambridge-Climate-Congress

“Their testimony made a compelling case for action at all levels to respond to the climate emergency,” Simmons said.

The organizers of the Climate Congress are currently working on an agenda that seeks to educate the public about the emergency, that will assess on-going efforts and commitments for responses by different sectors in the coming years, and that will recommend community-wide actions.
According to a press release, up to 100 Climate Congress delegates will be asked to attend a special plenary session that will focus upon education and goal-setting on Dec. 12, followed by a second session on Jan. 23, 2010. Simmons will ask the Congress to report and make recommendations to the City Council by the end of January, and these recommendations will, in turn, inform any messages the City Council sends to the state and federal government, as well as to the 2010 International Climate Change Adaptation Conference that will be held in Copenhagen next June.
 

Thump553

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whooosh...that's the point of the article going right over your head.

The issue is the proposal, not the government entity.

And your point being that because you disagree with the proposals that no locality in the USA can even consider them? Is there some specific way in which any of these proposals are unconstitutional? What ever happened to the State's RIghts" rallying call of the far right? Was it just a passing fad or a core belief?

BTW, Cambridge is far more than Harvard.
 

waggy

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I was thinking about something more along the lines of an open pit BBQ type joint. It'd have to be placed upwind of the town though ;)

ohh hell yeah. i gotta admit that would be funny. ...and very yummy.


My dad lives in Southern IL. The area is crap. no jobs, crappy housing and just plain the pits. BUT there are some amazing BBQ joints all over the place.
 

jman19

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Not aimed at OP, but I love watching the righties get their panties in a twist over local news in a liberal city.
 

Carmen813

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whooosh...that's the point of the article going right over your head.

The issue is the proposal, not the government entity.

I saw the point of the post as an attempt to take a local issue and blow it up to debate about implementing it as a national policy. There was very little to no OP commentary, so that's what I got out of it.

In particular this line stood out to me from the article:
"In general, if you look at how policy develops, it often starts on regional and local scales and then advances forward," he said. "Cambridge is full of really smart people, so you know, it has the potential."

If this policy was to do that, I fail to see a problem. That means that the majority of voters would support it. Otherwise it won't spread much beyond the initial region or the local politicians will end up ousted. Which is what led me to make the comment about state and local government. There are a bunch of posts above this one where people are getting all irate and insane about a local policy, and so my assumption was that there was some attempt here to tie this local event to a national scale.

Do I think this is a good policy? Nope. I'm just not sure what the purpose of this thread is other than to point out a ridiculous policy.
 
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Is there some reading comprehension issue going on here?

Those are just some of the proposals put forth by the Congress, which was created in May 2009 to respond to the "climate emergency" plaguing Cambridge. Once the Congress settles on its recommendations, they will submitted to the City Council.

So people are just submitting proposals and every gets their panties in a twist when a proposal comes up. It mentions nothing whether any of these will make it through this Congress to become recommendations for the City Council; and then the City Council also stands in the path to anything being implemented.

I bet this article cherry picked the proposals too just to push its own agenda.