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Harry Potter = newage Star Wars

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From http://hem.passagen.se/wookiee/developm/devel05.html
This stuff is only available in the google cache, unfortunately.
It is a detailed account of the developement of Star Wars showing the drastic changes in each of 5 script revisions.
It does not make any sense from this reading that Lucas "bought" the story from someone else.

Here are the first 2 pages.

Introduction


Written and directed by George Lucas, Star Wars premiered in 1977 and became a huge success. The film (subtitled Episode IV: A New Hope) and its two sequels, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, constitutes the middle instalment of a planned nine-part saga.
The purpose of this essay is to show the development of the Star Wars script, from the original short outline to the final screenplay version, as regards the plot, the characters, the setting, and the main themes. My intention is to establish Lucas?s ideas and inspiration, as well as provide an insight into the creative process, pointing out the changes that were made during the writing. I have looked at what was added and deleted between the drafts, what was reused in the sequels, and what might end up in the forthcoming Star Wars episodes.
The first chapter outlines the writing process, providing a summary of Lucas?s work with the Star Wars screenplay, as well as giving some background information. The following five chapters are divided according to the individual manuscript versions?one short synopsis and four major screenplays?each one beginning with a summary of the story. I have analyzed the plot, the characters, the setting and the themes, and these four points are featured in all of these chapters. I have looked for the same themes in every script version: the religious idea; the dichotomy between technology and mankind; the father/son relationship; and the acceptance of personal responsibility. The last chapter deals briefly with some of the other draft revisions that were made, and how they relate to the scripts which I have analyzed.
The five versions of Star Wars, all written by George Lucas, which I have examined are: the first 1973 story synopsis (The Star Wars), the rough screenplay draft from 1974 (The Star Wars), the 1975 second draft (The Adventures of the Starkiller (Episode One): ?The Star Wars?), the third draft finished in 1975 (The Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Starkiller), and the public version of the 1976 revised fourth draft (Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope?From the Journal of the Whills). I obtained the synopsis and the first three drafts through the Internet. These versions have been acquired by collectors and later been scanned or typed into electronic text documents?they have never been published commercially. All the drafts used for this essay were found at the Starkiller Multimedia Source Page (maintained by Owen S. Good), which is dedicated to pre-Star Wars material. Besides the Internet, the public version of the revised fourth draft is available in The Art of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (edited by Carol Titelman), which also contains many pre-production sketches and paintings. Two additional draft versions were obtained through the Internet and read: the first draft from 1974 (The Star Wars), and the shooting script version of the revised fourth draft (The Adventures of Luke Starkiller?As Taken from the ?Journal of the Whills? (Saga I): Star Wars). However, these two screenplays were not distinct enough from the others to be handled in individual chapters. Most of the information about George Lucas was gathered from Skywalking: The Life and Films of George Lucas, written in 1983 by Dale Pollock. I also read other specialist literature on both science fiction and Star Wars, but much of my inspiration came from different Internet sources (Brendon Wahlberg?s The Development of Star Wars: A New Hope was very helpful, as it contains comprehensive summaries of some of the drafts). Furthermore, the Star Wars trilogy, the scripts to The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, and the three comic book adaptations were fundamental to the writing of this essay.

2.
The Story Synopsis, May 1973
The Star Wars


The Plot
The galaxy is plagued by a civil war between an evil Empire and rebel forces. Two bickering Imperial bureaucrats try to flee from a space fortress which is under attack, and crash land on the planet of Aquilae. A wanted rebel princess and her relentless general Luke Skywalker, on their way to a space port in order to get the princess to safety, find and capture them and after a hazardous journey the group make it to a religious temple where they discover a band of young boy rebels. The boys decide to follow them across the wasteland in spite of the general?s reluctance, and they soon reach a shabby cantina near the space port where the general is forced to use his ?lazer sword? to kill a bully who is taunting one of the boys. The group, pursued by Imperial troops, must steal a fighter ship in order to escape and after a long chase they manage to hide in an asteroid field. However, the rebels? ship is damaged and they are forced to jettison towards the forbidden planet of Yavin with rocket packs. On Yavin, they travel on ?jet-sticks? made from their rocket packs, until they are attacked by giant furry aliens who capture the princess and the bureaucrats and sell them to an Imperial platoon. Skywalker is almost killed, but one of the aliens helps to take him to an old farmer who knows where the Imperial outpost is. After an attack on the outpost, the general and the boys learn that the princess has been taken to Alderaan, a ?city-planet? and the capitol of the Empire. After rigorous training, Skywalker and the young rebels man a squadron of fighter ships, and disguised as Imperial rangers they manage to reach the prison complex of Alderaan. They free the princess, but an alarm goes off and a few of the boys are killed before the group is able to escape to the friendly planet of Ophuchi. There, everyone (including the bureaucrats) are rewarded at a ceremony, as the princess reveals her true goddess-like self.

This thirteen page synopsis bears little resemblance to the 1977 Star Wars picture. The space opera feel of old science fiction films like The Forbidden Planet is present, and the laser weapons and the constant action were trademarks of the Flash Gordon serials Lucas had seen in his childhood.6 The idea of a galactic empire was most likely borrowed from the novels of Isaac Asimov.7
The overall plot, however, is borrowed from the Japanese film The Hidden Fortress, co-written and directed by Akira Kurosawa in 1958. The similarity between The Star Wars and The Hidden Fortress is evident if one compares Lucas?s outline with a plot summary from Donald Richie?s 1965 biography The Films of Akira Kurosawa:
The Star Wars:
?It is the thirty-third century, a period of civil wars in the galaxy. A rebel princess,

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6 Pollock, Dale (1990), Skywalking: The Life and Films of George Lucas, p. 142.
7 Brosnan, John (1991), The Primal Screen: A History of Science Fiction Film, p. 179.

 
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Cliff's Notes, anyone?
It is only 2 pages.


This thirteen page synopsis bears little resemblance to the 1977 Star Wars picture. The space opera feel of old science fiction films like The Forbidden Planet is present, and the laser weapons and the constant action were trademarks of the Flash Gordon serials Lucas had seen in his childhood.6 The idea of a galactic empire was most likely borrowed from the novels of Isaac Asimov.7
The overall plot, however, is borrowed from the Japanese film The Hidden Fortress, co-written and directed by Akira Kurosawa in 1958. The similarity between The Star Wars and The Hidden Fortress is evident if one compares Lucas?s outline with a plot summary from Donald Richie?s 1965 biography The Films of Akira Kurosawa:
 
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Okay, do you guys not get that they didn't "come out" when you first saw them on the shelves? Lucas had them pulled from the shelves back in the 70's. Lucas had them blacklisted. Talk to "lSkinneeJ" on aim.

nik
This sounds like some weird conspiracy theory. Here's more info straight from starwars.com.
 
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Cliff's Notes, anyone?
I think its New York Italian Deli time ...pepperoni pizza ..😉🙂

p.s. StarWars and Potter both suck😛 <edit>Hot Wok Sesame Chicken with some cream cheese wontons ..hehe 😉p.p.s. Chinese girlz R hot!! 😀
 
Harry Potter sucks, Star wars owns.

Did Lucas buy the kinda idea of Star Wars or something? Like the force and Luke and all that, and use it to create his movies as he saw fit? That woul dmean he buys the rights, but makes his own stories.
 
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
.doc sucks.

What do you prefer?

nik

Something that is not anti-internet.

.doc is not anti-internet

WTF is wrong with .doc? I have yet to hear a valid reason....

nik

The internet is about crosss platofrm communication. By using proprietary formats that can only be read by a few programs, most of which are expensive and limited in platofrms, the fundamental cross platform nature of the internet is disturbed.

A quick run through anti-word and we get internet friendly text:
Coincidence?

Or was Harry Potter creator J.K. Rowling

"inspired" by

Star Wars creator George Lucas?


The writer of this paper is making neither accusations nor speculation
about anything. It is simply being pointed out that there are some striking
similarities.


- Harry Potter was raised by his Aunt (Petunia Dursley) and Uncle (Vernon
Dursley).

- Luke Skywalker was raised by his Aunt (Beru Lars) and Uncle (Owen Lars).


- Harry's Aunt and Uncle lied to him about his past and the fate of his
parents because they did not want him to live the life that his ancestry
apparently had determined to be his destiny - to become a great Wizard.

- Luke's Aunt and Uncle lied to him about his past and the fate of his
parents because they did not want him to live the life that his ancestry
apparently had determined to be his destiny - to become a Jedi Master.


- In particular, Harry's Aunt and Uncle did not want him to know how his
parents had been killed (by the evil Lord Voldemort, the master of the Dark
Arts of the magical world).

- In particular, Luke's Aunt and Uncle did not want him to know how his
father had been killed (by the evil Darth Vader, the master of the Dark
Side of the Force).


- Harry's Aunt and Uncle do not want him to follow in his parents'
footsteps, which would most certainly begin to happen if Harry was allowed
to enroll at Hogwarts.

- Luke's Aunt and Uncle do not want him to follow in his father's
footsteps, which would most certainly begin to happen if Luke was allowed
to join the Academy.


- Instead, Harry is kept isolated in Uncle Vernon's House on Pivot Drive,
far away from any wizards or anyone associated with the magical world.

- Instead, Luke is kept isolated on Uncle Owen's farm on the planet of
Tatooine, far away from any Jedis or anyone associated with the Force.


- When Harry comes of age, he eventually learns bits and pieces of who he
is and what had happened to his parents.

- When Luke comes of age, he eventually learns bits and pieces of who he is
and what had happened to his father.


- Harry learns about the world of magic and is surprised to find that he
has natural abilities that others do not have.

- Luke learns about the Force and is surprised to find that he has natural
abilities that others do not have.


- Harry is given his wand, the weapon of the wizard, and soon begins his
training to become a great wizard.

- Luke is given his light saber, the weapon of the Jedi, and soon begins
his training to become a Jedi Master.


- Incidentally, Harry could naturally fly on his broomstick better than
almost anyone at Hogwarts.

- Incidentally, Luke can naturally fly his fighter plane better than almost
anyone at the Academy.


- Harry's sidekicks, Ron Weasley and Hermione Granger, are seen regularly
by Harry's side. But Harry's climactic confrontations with Lord Voldemort
are generally one-on-one. For as much as it is a classic, good vs. evil
battle, these confrontations are more personal to Harry because it was
Voldemort who killed Harry's parents.

- Luke's sidekicks, Han Solo and Princess Leah, are seen regularly by
Luke's side. But Luke's climactic confrontations with Darth Vader are
generally one-on-one. For as much as it is a classic, good vs. evil
battle, these confrontations are more personal to Luke because it was Vader
who "killed" Luke's father.



For information, discussion or criticism regarding what you have just read,
you may contact HarryPotter@RejectionHotline.com.

 
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Luke's father IS Darth Vader. NOT Luke's father was killed by Darth V. Duh.

The only thing that is the same about SW and HP is that both movies (or series of moives) are based on books. That's it. 😛
SW books came afterwards

No they didn't...really? Are you sure? Feh, I'm eating Chinese Food...all the MSG is screwing w/my reality. If I'm wrong, so be it. 😱

HP sucks my big toe, though. SW is the schiznitzzzzz!

ps
In Russia, the MSG eats YOU.

This is the biggest load of bullsh|t. SW books have been out since before Episode 4 was released, which was 1974. ALL the books were released before then. Lucas bought the rights and had them all six episodes (or books) pulled from the shelves.

The Harry Potter books were written within the past 10 years by some wicca brit.

nik

nik, you gotta lay off the cheap stuff. $10 a vial is not that much for crack, if you're gonna smoke it, at least spring for quality.
 
So everybody should use. txt?
rolleye.gif

Flash is proprietary.
Shockwave is proprietary.
QuickTime is proprietary.
RealPlayer is proprietary.

and the list goes on. Boy, you must have some serious dissatisfaction when you get on the web.
rolleye.gif


nik
 
Originally posted by: dolph
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Luke's father IS Darth Vader. NOT Luke's father was killed by Darth V. Duh.

The only thing that is the same about SW and HP is that both movies (or series of moives) are based on books. That's it. 😛
SW books came afterwards

No they didn't...really? Are you sure? Feh, I'm eating Chinese Food...all the MSG is screwing w/my reality. If I'm wrong, so be it. 😱

HP sucks my big toe, though. SW is the schiznitzzzzz!

ps
In Russia, the MSG eats YOU.

This is the biggest load of bullsh|t. SW books have been out since before Episode 4 was released, which was 1974. ALL the books were released before then. Lucas bought the rights and had them all six episodes (or books) pulled from the shelves.

The Harry Potter books were written within the past 10 years by some wicca brit.

nik

nik, you gotta lay off the cheap stuff. $10 a vial is not that much for crack, if you're gonna smoke it, at least spring for quality.

Actually, I have a $20 bottle of vodka for cheep stuff. 🙂

nik
 
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
So everybody should use. txt?
rolleye.gif

Flash is proprietary.
Shockwave is proprietary.
QuickTime is proprietary.
RealPlayer is proprietary.

and the list goes on. Boy, you must have some serious dissatisfaction when you get on the web.
rolleye.gif


nik

They each have their place. And I believe each of the ones you mentioned can be played on multiple platforms with free software.

Wy plant a flower up high where only a few can see it when you can plant it lower and let many see it?
 
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
So everybody should use. txt?
rolleye.gif

Flash is proprietary.
Shockwave is proprietary.
QuickTime is proprietary.
RealPlayer is proprietary.

and the list goes on. Boy, you must have some serious dissatisfaction when you get on the web.
rolleye.gif


nik

They each have their place. And I believe each of the ones you mentioned can be played on multiple platforms with free software.

Wy plant a flower up high where only a few can see it when you can plant it lower and let many see it?

Because instead of just install some free software to be able to read a .doc, you whine like a little boy.

nik
 
Wy plant a flower up high where only a few can see it when you can plant it lower and let many see it?

Can't they just look up?

Ok, as far as I know Lucas made STAR WARS and then the books came out. Now, to settle this once and for all why don't we ask the guys over at TheForce.net? If anyone knows the truth, its them.
 
Originally posted by: SithSolo1
Wy plant a flower up high where only a few can see it when you can plant it lower and let many see it?

Can't they just look up?

Ok, as far as I know Lucas made STAR WARS and then the books came out. Now, to settle this once and for all why don't we ask the guys over at TheForce.net? If anyone knows the truth, its them.

No. Only I know the truth. ONLY I KNOW THE TRUTH!!!!!

nik (😉)
 
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
So everybody should use. txt?
rolleye.gif

Flash is proprietary.
Shockwave is proprietary.
QuickTime is proprietary.
RealPlayer is proprietary.

and the list goes on. Boy, you must have some serious dissatisfaction when you get on the web.
rolleye.gif


nik

They each have their place. And I believe each of the ones you mentioned can be played on multiple platforms with free software.

Wy plant a flower up high where only a few can see it when you can plant it lower and let many see it?

Because instead of just install some free software to be able to read a .doc, you whine like a little boy.

nik

I did, if you noticed I mentioned that I ran it through antiword to get a readable format. That appears to be one of the only programs I can use to be able to read .doc at home. OpenOffice is not quite platofrm independant yet. Open standards are a good thing for users, believe it or not.
 
.DOC files also can contain virii (not saying yours does, since Norton AV scanned it and said it was fine, but still many may be wary of "running" .DOC files because of the security risk).

Not saying that VBScript or ActiveX in HTML pages is secure (it isn't!), but plain HTML is non-proprietary and (when used without proprietary extensions) secure.
 
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: sandorski
Link opens as blank page, what is with .doc?

omfg...

never fscking mind, then, all you non-funny "I don't like happy" and "I like to complain" people.

goddamn :|

nik

Haha, look who's talking! Anyway, disregard previous post, killed a few Tabs and discovered a File download window.
 
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