Hardwood floors, thinking of getting them.

JulesMaximus

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So, my wife and I want to install hardwood flooring in our living room, dining room and family room. This is about 600 sq ft and we are leaning towards laminates over hardwood. We've looked at a few places and picked out one from Mannington. It is the Louisville Hickory Spice.

Anyone have any other recommendations? We wanted hardwood but are concerned with durability since we have a 3 year old boy and a 75lb dog who will both be testing the durability of any flooring we install. We looked at this product and it looks very natural, comes in individual 5" planks and will be installed the same as a real hardwood floor would be installed.
 

kitkat22

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Laminate is so much easier to install and maintain. I cringed everytime I looked at our hardwood floor after a huge scratch was put right down the middle. In the end, if you do a good job of laying down the laminate you can't tell the difference either.
 

TheSlamma

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"We wanted hardwood but are concerned with durability since we have a 3 year old boy and a 75lb dog who will both be testing the durability of any flooring we install"

3 coats of urathane will take care of that ;)
 

Scarpozzi

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Get hardwood. I have thin-slat hardwood in my house. It's great. Laminate is another way to go, but it usually only has a life of 15 years and may have quality issues if you skimp. Just find a good wood supplier and you can even lay hardwood floors yourself in a weekend....it's not that bad.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: cscpianoman
Laminate is so much easier to install and maintain. I cringed everytime I looked at our hardwood floor after a huge scratch was put right down the middle. In the end, if you do a good job of laying down the laminate you can't tell the difference either.

I know, as much as I love the idea of having real hardwood floors I just couldn't deal with the inevitable scratches and dings.

We are having the flooring professionally installed. Our neighbor across the street recommended the place we are buying from, she had hardwood installed by this company. They actually employ their own installers rather than subcontract the work out.
 

iroast

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Bamboo Flooring Features and Benefits

Bamboo has recently become the hottest trend in flooring. The reasons for its popularity surge are many, but they can be divided into three basic categories: aesthetics, properties, and environmental benefits.

The Aesthetics

Because bamboo is a grass rather than a tree, its finished appearance is very distinctive. Most distinctive is the eye-catching pattern of slightly darker bands produced by its nodes a feature that clearly sets it apart from wood. Bamboo?s other aesthetic features include the tightness of its grain and the uniformity of its color.

Generally sold pre-finished, bamboo is available in its light, natural color or in darker shades produced by carbonization. Carbonization is a manufacturing process that subjects the bamboo to steam and pressure. This causes a darkening of the sugar content in its fibers resulting in a honey-brown color. The shade of the color is dependent upon the length of the process.

Appearance of the finished product is further enhanced by the various plank constructions. Choices include vertical or horizontal solid construction, engineered construction, and woven stranded construction.
The Properties

Amazing as it may seem, this hollow, grass-family plant is actually stronger than most hardwoods. Some species of bamboo have obtained Janka hardness ratings higher than maple and nearly double that of red oak the benchmark of hardwoods. Besides its hardness quality, bamboo is also very resilient and can take a greater impact than most hardwoods without denting. Hardness and resilience: a dynamic duo for durability.

Other outstanding properties of bamboo are its dimensional stability and moisture resistance. Because bamboo flooring is a laminated product, the likeliness of gapping, cupping, or warping is greatly reduced.

Another factor that makes bamboo less likely to warp is that it grows in tropical regions. Therefore, it is naturally resistive to moisture. This makes it suitable for use in areas like bathrooms and kitchens where hardwood flooring is usually not recommended. Of course, being resistive to moisture means bamboo is also resistive to spills, and thus resistive to stains certainly a desirable feature for any elegant floor.
The Environmental Benefits

In an age of ever-growing concern over depletion of natural resources, especially of hardwood forests, the trend toward bamboo flooring could not be timelier.

Bamboo is extremely fast-growing compared to hardwoods. On average, bamboo is capable of reaching maturity, at heights well over 50 feet, and is ready to harvest in five years. Additionally, since it is a grass, it is harvested again and again from the same plant. Compare that to an individual hardwood tree taking anywhere from three decades to more than a hundred years to mature, depending on the species.

The Summary
Bamboo is an alternative to traditional hardwood flooring that is:

* uniquely attractive
* strong and resilient
* dimensionally stable
* moisture and stain resistant
* environmentally-friendly

It is also less expensive than many hardwoods and can be purchased for nailed down, stapled down, glued down, or floated installation.

With so many positive attributes, it?s no wonder that bamboo has become the hottest trend in flooring.
 

alien42

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one of the houses i grew up in had the local high schools former basketball court flooring. it was sturdier and more resistant then any laminate.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Get hardwood. I have thin-slat hardwood in my house. It's great. Laminate is another way to go, but it usually only has a life of 15 years and may have quality issues if you skimp. Just find a good wood supplier and you can even lay hardwood floors yourself in a weekend....it's not that bad.

The laminate we are getting is their top of the line product and has a 25 year warranty.
 

GasX

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Originally posted by: TheSlamma
"We wanted hardwood but are concerned with durability since we have a 3 year old boy and a 75lb dog who will both be testing the durability of any flooring we install"

3 coats of urathane will take care of that ;)

Not!

I have old hardwood floors (back from when the word "hard" meant something). No amount of urethane can stop dog claws from scratching the wood, especially when there are two dogs!
 

Jzero

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If hardwood gets scratched, it can be sanded and refinished. I am a big fan of laminate, but if you have it in your budget for hardwood, it's great.
 

Spike

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Neither. Get bamboo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_floors

Our new townhouse we just got came has bamboo on the entire lower floor (living, dining, and kitchen) and we LOVE it. The look is awesome and unique, definitly an eye catcher when people come over.

The only downside is that is can dent pretty easy. I have never had hardwood floors before so I don't know if this is commong but if you drop a can or other heavier object the floor will dent.

-spike
 

NatePo717

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Originally posted by: iroast
Bamboo Flooring Features and Benefits

Bamboo has recently become the hottest trend in flooring. The reasons for its popularity surge are many, but they can be divided into three basic categories: aesthetics, properties, and environmental benefits.

The Aesthetics

Because bamboo is a grass rather than a tree, its finished appearance is very distinctive. Most distinctive is the eye-catching pattern of slightly darker bands produced by its nodes a feature that clearly sets it apart from wood. Bamboo?s other aesthetic features include the tightness of its grain and the uniformity of its color.

Generally sold pre-finished, bamboo is available in its light, natural color or in darker shades produced by carbonization. Carbonization is a manufacturing process that subjects the bamboo to steam and pressure. This causes a darkening of the sugar content in its fibers resulting in a honey-brown color. The shade of the color is dependent upon the length of the process.

Appearance of the finished product is further enhanced by the various plank constructions. Choices include vertical or horizontal solid construction, engineered construction, and woven stranded construction.
The Properties

Amazing as it may seem, this hollow, grass-family plant is actually stronger than most hardwoods. Some species of bamboo have obtained Janka hardness ratings higher than maple and nearly double that of red oak the benchmark of hardwoods. Besides its hardness quality, bamboo is also very resilient and can take a greater impact than most hardwoods without denting. Hardness and resilience: a dynamic duo for durability.

Other outstanding properties of bamboo are its dimensional stability and moisture resistance. Because bamboo flooring is a laminated product, the likeliness of gapping, cupping, or warping is greatly reduced.

Another factor that makes bamboo less likely to warp is that it grows in tropical regions. Therefore, it is naturally resistive to moisture. This makes it suitable for use in areas like bathrooms and kitchens where hardwood flooring is usually not recommended. Of course, being resistive to moisture means bamboo is also resistive to spills, and thus resistive to stains certainly a desirable feature for any elegant floor.
The Environmental Benefits

In an age of ever-growing concern over depletion of natural resources, especially of hardwood forests, the trend toward bamboo flooring could not be timelier.

Bamboo is extremely fast-growing compared to hardwoods. On average, bamboo is capable of reaching maturity, at heights well over 50 feet, and is ready to harvest in five years. Additionally, since it is a grass, it is harvested again and again from the same plant. Compare that to an individual hardwood tree taking anywhere from three decades to more than a hundred years to mature, depending on the species.

The Summary
Bamboo is an alternative to traditional hardwood flooring that is:

* uniquely attractive
* strong and resilient
* dimensionally stable
* moisture and stain resistant
* environmentally-friendly

It is also less expensive than many hardwoods and can be purchased for nailed down, stapled down, glued down, or floated installation.

With so many positive attributes, it?s no wonder that bamboo has become the hottest trend in flooring.

From the pictures that I've seen it looks really nice.
 

Martin

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never knew bamboo was even available, but it sounds awesome. It probably costs an arm and a leg though...
 

CTrain

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I'm thinking about doing it for my house in the future too.

How big is your house JM ??
And how much is it going to cost you for 600 ft ??

I'm trying to figure out how big mine will be for everything except the 3 bedrooms.
 

TheSlamma

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: TheSlamma
"We wanted hardwood but are concerned with durability since we have a 3 year old boy and a 75lb dog who will both be testing the durability of any flooring we install"

3 coats of urathane will take care of that ;)

Not!

I have old hardwood floors (back from when the word "hard" meant something). No amount of urethane can stop dog claws from scratching the wood, especially when there are two dogs!

I have Red Oaks with 2 coats and mine are fine, my Golden is only 85lbs though.
 

NatePo717

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Originally posted by: Martin
never knew bamboo was even available, but it sounds awesome. It probably costs an arm and a leg though...

I just did a search and found it between $2 - $3 per square foot.
 

shilala

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We just put hardwood in our dining room, living room and bathroom.
My wife and I did it all ourselves.
We used 3/4 prefinished oak, and I couldn't be more pleased.

On the other hand...
I used 3/8 laminate in an apartment building we own. I put it down, too.
It was a bitch to work with, super easy to screw up, and it marks up very easy.

I have two kids, a 120+lb lab, and a sheltie that torture our new hardwood floors. It shows small indentations everywhere, but hasn't taken a real scratch yet. It is awesome.
If you'd like a pic, I'd be happy to oblige.

The brand we used was Mohawk.
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: Martin
never knew bamboo was even available, but it sounds awesome. It probably costs an arm and a leg though...

I got 6' long bamboo planks for $3.25 sqft.

It is great stuff. I have the carbonized version which is darker but softer. It does dent but we have only gotten about 3 dents in our 600Sqft over the past 3 months. It does dent but I can say that my cats haven't been able to scratch it so far.
 

Ornery

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We wanted hardwood but are concerned with durability...

That manmade crap over hardwood for durability? Maybe the finish, but the finish on hardwood can be redone. Once it's toast on that particle board junk, it's over.


We looked at this product and it looks very natural...

If by natural, you mean Sauder, Bush, and O'Sullivan lithographed particle board furniture type of "natural".

It's far easier and cheaper to buy and install, but ugh... :thumbsdown:
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Jzero
If hardwood gets scratched, it can be sanded and refinished. I am a big fan of laminate, but if you have it in your budget for hardwood, it's great.

Well, the budget isn't the problem. I don't want to be sanding and refinishing hardwood flooring every couple years though. Eventually, that layer of hardwood will be worn down to nothing anyway. Another neighbor of ours had hardwood floors installed about a year ago and there are a few high traffic areas that are already really scratched up. That would drive me crazy.

I think we've made up our minds actually and are going with the laminate.