HardOCP stands up to nVidia.

[Slap]

Excuse me while I put on my life jacket before I drown in all these tears you crying people are spewing. I have never seen so many people whining in my life. It isn't even woth whining over.

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[HaVoC]

This and the bubba thing are different beasts. So far, Perez and the rest of nVidia PR has remained pretty politician-like in their responses which is to say they don't insert their foot into their mouths like Bubba.

Now, if it is true that nVidia IS strongarming websites who haven't signed the agreement, that that is certainly unethical and deserving of criticism. But for the webmasters that greedily signed the agreements and then complained when they are reminded to abide by the terms...too bad. Read before you sign.

 

[Jim]

"who is in the business of giving people cancer"

Yea, the tobacco companies are responsible for that just like the lawmakers are responsible for people who sit in a seat that has a seatbelt attached to it.

Get real. Each individual who smokes or drives without a seatbelt is responsible for their OWN ACTIONS. Societies that decide it is their obligation to legislate my health and safety are gonna be on the wrong end of my revolution.

 

[BoberFett]

<< remained pretty politician-like in their responses >>

If this was an attempt to get me to like them better, it backfired. :Q

 

[Napalm]

Pretty OT here but WTF - here goes.

Jim, your point is so ignorant it is not even funny (was that too aggressive ). I can't help but get my back up against the wall when I read right wing cowboy-rhetoric like the stuff you just spouted off:

Societies that decide it is their obligation to legislate my health and safety are gonna be on the wrong end of my revolution.


Your wonderful &quot;revolution&quot; would be great for big business, but for the citizenry it would also include the following:

1) your drinking water was contaminated by pollutants and bacteria due to lack of legislation forcing civic monitoring of water supplies(government cutbacks for this type of monitoring have resulted in about 10 deaths over the past month here in Ontario, Canada).

2) increased rates of cancer due to harmful (yet more effective) pesticides being sprayed and leaching into soils (something that is currently legislated).

3) increased rates of lung disease because of increased emissions from vehicles and factories (again, something that is currently legislated.

4) increased rates of disease from food (i.e., the meat industry is currently regulated to keep the amount of fecal matter in your meat to a minimum)

I could go on and on with similar examples, but I am getting bored.

With respect to the cigarette industry, what you need to understand is that cigarettes contain an addictive chemical (nicotine) that is found naturally in tobacco. While cigarette companies stated publicly for years that cigarettes were not addictive, their own scientists conducted numerous studies to show that it was potently addictive and manipulated levels of nicotine artifically (increased them to sky-high levels) to &quot;hook&quot; people. IMO, this act is something that these companies should be punished for since what they did was increase the chances that people who tried smoking would become addicted and these people in turn suffered greater levels of disease as a result.

Don't get me wrong, I do not believe that governments need to ban addictive products like cigarettes (or pot, or cocaine, or heroin for that matter), but I do believe that companies have a responsibility to the public to be honest about the products they sell us. Because companies are not honest (this of course is not consistent with the profit motive), we do need legislation to protect us.

Anyway, sorry again about the OT post.

Napalm

 

[dszd0g]

Am I the only one here who does base their purchasing decisions on how companies behave? I'm not absolute, I sometimes break it. I try hard though.

I absolutely do not buy from Mitsubishi and all their subsidaries, Shell, Exxon, Home Depot, Ford. I try to avoid Disney, but I have had people nag me into seeing a Disney movie with them. I would like to avoid Philip Morris and all their subsidaries. However, I have not found a good alternative to Jell-o. I'm not a good enough cook to make it myself. I seem to be able to avoid the other Kraft products. Philidelphia cream cheese (Lucern), Oscar Myer hot dogs (Hebrew National), Tombstone pizza (Digiorno).

I stopped buying DVDs the day John Johanasen(sp?) was harrased by police.

I'm odd though. I don't know anyone who does the same thing, so I know I'm doing no good whatsoever. However, it makes me feel good that I'm at least trying.

 

[WoundedWallet]

dszd0g, those that think by themselves are often alone. The group in the other hand prefers to follow directions.

That's why big corporations don't like people like you, or Kyle for that matter.

Now, to make your battle a little easier(maybe). I think Lucern is owned by Safeway, but I don't know if that makes it any better. If it does then find out for sure, you may have another choice for cream cheese.

 

[HaVoC]

bobberfett: I could really care less if you like nVidia more or less based on my posts. My point is, I have not seen any PUBLIC responses by nVidia PR to give me any indication that they are conducting themselves in anything that is less than professional. What we are all arguing over is HEARSAY, that is, some webmasters saying that they got this in email and heard this. They are not posting actual emails due to legal issues, which is fine, but does not help us get to the bottom of the matter.

I suggest you guys go read the following article which is pretty objective. Ironically enough, it is from the Glide Underground:
http://www.glideunderground.com/articles/nv_strongarm

 

[Jim]

Napalm if you are to narrow minded to see that I said MY safety (versus everyones safety) then your not worth arguing with.

Noone tells me what I can do to MYSELF (cigs).

Noone tells me to wear a safety device for MY OWN safety.


Has nothing to do with laws that protect others around me. Whole different story altogether. Read before you react next time.

 

[Napalm]

Jim:

I reacted to what you wrote. If you can not express yourself clearly then only you are to blame for the flame.

So what you seem to be saying is that you are against legislation making mandatory things like seatbelts, motorcycle helmets, ear and eye protection in the construction industry and such (I am still not clear on whether you think these laws are OK as long as they only apply to others, not yourself). My only question is what this has to do with suing cigarette companies (and more importantly NVidia). Nobody has tried to legislate your safety regarding cigarettes. They have used existing laws to punish cigarette companies for increasing nicotine artificially and for denying the health risks of cigarettes. While it all seems quite obvious to us today, it was not so obvious 20, 30 and 40 years ago.

Anyway, lets drop it as it has zippo to do with hardware.

Napalm

 

[Sunner]

&quot;they all were spawned in hell. Big deal, so was I&quot;

See the complete lack of amazement on face as I ger my suspicions confirmed.

 

[dszd0g]

HaVoC, that is a good article.

We really can't chew out nVidia until someone offers up some proof. Like an e-mail from nVidia or something. Although, I personally sent in an e-mail to nVidia as soon as this hole thing started (I sent it in before they prepared the form response and never personally received a response. I am pretty sure they were flooded.) If nothing else if something did happen that was questionable it really does send a message to companies that if they are caught, people are watching. Even if nothing happened this time other than some miscommunication or someone getting pissed off and ranting, its a good message to send to big business.

WoundedWallet, yep Lucern is owned by Safeway.