Originally posted by: RobertR1
I'm playing FEAR on my x1800xt at 1920x1200 with everything on maximum and 2xAdaptive AA, 16xHQAF and the gameplay is just fine in Single player 27min, 43avg, 94high on the stress test.
Also when you goto upgrade, you're now taking the depreciation hit for 2 cards than just one which adds to your overall cost of ownership... Ultra high end single cards are quite powerful in their own right.
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: apoppin
there is a simple reason for this . . .
UNlike some here, we don't get "free" cards for our postings . . . Xfire is a LOT of money and evidently ATi doesn't use viral marketing like nVidia . . . or no doubt some of us would have it by now.
Most of us are also practical. . . . and prefer a single GPU solution.
Hmmm.
So you think some people get "free cards" and that they are the only ones who would have such computers?
LOL 3DFX must have given me the four Voodoo 2 SLI rigs I bought back in those days as well! AE3D! LOL
So, by your own admission:
1. You're not a customer of these multi gpu rigs
2. You don't like these multi GPU rigs
Yet here you are spending your evening arguing about a multi GPU rig.
Makes sense to me Apoppin. When I'm not here, I argue about who makes the best ballet shoes over on the ballet forum......
Originally posted by: Rollo
Obviously I care about multi gpu and am a potential customer for both SLI and Crossfire.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, we can list the pro's and cons of both SLI and Xfire, and then watch the ATIDL refute each negative point about Xfire. Hey, at least its something to do and to keep them on their toes?
LOL, anyway, sorry for the OT. It just seems that a lot of people here are desperate for you to be an AEG/Nvidia rep. They actually want you to be one.
Originally posted by: Rollo
I think at this point I'm going to take RobertR1s wise advice that I've added to my sig as well.
I'll discuss Crossfire in this thread, as that's what I started it about, but nothing else.
You are showing your true troll colours . . . and your HATRED and CONTEMPT for atiOriginally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, we can list the pro's and cons of both SLI and Xfire, and then watch the ATIDL refute each negative point about Xfire. Hey, at least its something to do and to keep them on their toes?
LOL, anyway, sorry for the OT. It just seems that a lot of people here are desperate for you to be an AEG/Nvidia rep. They actually want you to be one.
What a lot of people here are desparate for is a way to divert attention away from the truth about Crossfire.
They have a hard time reconciling that the company they pimp daily as the "brilliant engineers" came up with such a wacky, jury rigged response to the performance industry leader.
About the only thing missing from Crossfire is a sticker of Calvin peeing on a "N" and a fiberglass air dam bolted oin the back of each card. (and maybe a free six pack of Schlitz in every box)
Originally posted by: Rollo
What a lot of people here are desparate for is a way to divert attention away from the truth about Crossfire.
They have a hard time reconciling that the company they pimp daily as the "brilliant engineers" came up with such a wacky, jury rigged response to the performance industry leader.
About the only thing missing from Crossfire is a sticker of Calvin peeing on a "N" and a fiberglass air dam bolted oin the back of each card. (and maybe a free six pack of Schlitz in every box)
Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: Rollo
Obviously I care about multi gpu and am a potential customer for both SLI and Crossfire.
Rollo, you're about as much a customer of ATI as Dell is of AMD.
Originally posted by: apoppin
You are showing your true troll colours . . . and your HATRED and CONTEMPT for atiOriginally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, we can list the pro's and cons of both SLI and Xfire, and then watch the ATIDL refute each negative point about Xfire. Hey, at least its something to do and to keep them on their toes?
LOL, anyway, sorry for the OT. It just seems that a lot of people here are desperate for you to be an AEG/Nvidia rep. They actually want you to be one.
What a lot of people here are desparate for is a way to divert attention away from the truth about Crossfire.
They have a hard time reconciling that the company they pimp daily as the "brilliant engineers" came up with such a wacky, jury rigged response to the performance industry leader.
About the only thing missing from Crossfire is a sticker of Calvin peeing on a "N" and a fiberglass air dam bolted oin the back of each card. (and maybe a free six pack of Schlitz in every box)
no wonder more people see thru your ridiculous FUD you spew . . . you are doing ATi a real service with your BS bombast
you speak how nVidia "feels" about ati
and DESPITE the HUGE lead that nVidia had with SLI . . . evidently many years . . . ATi has caught up in just months.![]()
i'd say damn good engineers
:thumbsup:
"a great many?" only during the time ATi dominated . . .Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: Rollo
Obviously I care about multi gpu and am a potential customer for both SLI and Crossfire.
Rollo, you're about as much a customer of ATI as Dell is of AMD.
Umm, I can vouch for Rollo that he has purchased a great many ATI products. One of which I bought from him last year. An X800XTPE. And traded DaPunisher a 9800pro long before that. So, you are mistaken and driven by something other than common sense.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
You are showing your true troll colours . . . and your HATRED and CONTEMPT for atiOriginally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, we can list the pro's and cons of both SLI and Xfire, and then watch the ATIDL refute each negative point about Xfire. Hey, at least its something to do and to keep them on their toes?
LOL, anyway, sorry for the OT. It just seems that a lot of people here are desperate for you to be an AEG/Nvidia rep. They actually want you to be one.
What a lot of people here are desparate for is a way to divert attention away from the truth about Crossfire.
They have a hard time reconciling that the company they pimp daily as the "brilliant engineers" came up with such a wacky, jury rigged response to the performance industry leader.
About the only thing missing from Crossfire is a sticker of Calvin peeing on a "N" and a fiberglass air dam bolted oin the back of each card. (and maybe a free six pack of Schlitz in every box)
no wonder more people see thru your ridiculous FUD you spew . . . you are doing ATi a real service with your BS bombast
you speak how nVidia "feels" about ati
and DESPITE the HUGE lead that nVidia had with SLI . . . evidently many years . . . ATi has caught up in just months.![]()
i'd say damn good engineers
:thumbsup:
I absolutely hate to interrupt your quest for notoriety here at AT, but, I think your going a bit overboard. Could backfire on ya.
Originally posted by: apoppin
How is my POV going overboard? Read what Rollo posted [in bold] . . . i am simply responding to that hatred of ati that colours everything he posts.
"a great many?" only during the time ATi dominated . . .Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: M0RPH
I think it's funny the way Rollo is giving so much merit to this review, while at the same time it's being thoroughly slammed for its shoddiness by HardOCP's own members in this thread. Many of the problems that the review cited are probably fixed with the 5.13 drivers which came out 3 weeks ago. You'd think with their review coming weeks after other crossfire reviews, they would have at least had time to use the new drivers.
Comparing to what NVIDIA card?Originally posted by: Rollo
You mean like how I've posted several times recently that ATI has better AGP choices?
NVIDIA doesn't have a competing product here either...Or my thread about the good review of the X1800XLAIW?
Again, no competing NVIDIA product at $500. btw the X1800XT is now < 500Or my repeated posts about how the X1800XT is currently the best deal at the $500 price point?
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: apoppin
How is my POV going overboard? Read what Rollo posted [in bold] . . . i am simply responding to that hatred of ati that colours everything he posts.
You mean like how I've posted several times recently that ATI has better AGP choices?
Or my thread about the good review of the X1800XLAIW?
Or my repeated posts about how the X1800XT is currently the best deal at the $500 price point?
Face it Apoppin- for all your "Let's make the forums a more friendly place" chatter- you're just a guy that buys cheap video cards and likes to talk about expensive ones. (and argue with as many emoticons as you can stuff in a post)
Originally posted by: nts
Comparing to what NVIDIA card?Originally posted by: Rollo
You mean like how I've posted several times recently that ATI has better AGP choices?
NVIDIA doesn't have a competing product here either...Or my thread about the good review of the X1800XLAIW?
Again, no competing NVIDIA product at $500. btw the X1800XT is now < 500Or my repeated posts about how the X1800XT is currently the best deal at the $500 price point?
You only recommend ATi when you can't recommend a similar NVIDIA product.
And before you start bashing me about not owning an X1800, I do since last week(best card ever).
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
"a great many?" only during the time ATi dominated . . .Originally posted by: apoppin
. . . he bought ati to bash it - that way he can say "i had ati, look how fair i am". . . and i guess he couldn't stand the Dustbuster . . . or to put up with 2nd best from nVidia his "performance industry leader" . . .
although i prefer ATi, i'd buy a 7800GT AGP if there is no equivalent answer from ATi. . . . heck, i had nVidia cards
they are excellent
Originally posted by: apoppin
you can't see me buying SLI? strange . . . i can . . when the bugs get worked out and it becomes mainstream . . . right now i am very interested in its evolution and development plus i like to see the different ways ATi and nVidia impliment it . . . i would definitely say SLI/xfire is in my future.
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: apoppin
you can't see me buying SLI? strange . . . i can . . when the bugs get worked out and it becomes mainstream . . . right now i am very interested in its evolution and development plus i like to see the different ways ATi and nVidia impliment it . . . i would definitely say SLI/xfire is in my future.
Bugs? SLI has about as many bugs as any single ATI or NVIDIA card. They all have some and always will.
Mainstream? Even a Grandma can order up a SLI system from Dell. Do they have to sell them at 7-11 next to the Cigarettes before you consider them mainstream?
The only thing stopping anyone from going SLI is the price, otherwise everyone would be running it.
Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel
Originally posted by: RobertR1
I'm playing FEAR on my x1800xt at 1920x1200 with everything on maximum and 2xAdaptive AA, 16xHQAF and the gameplay is just fine in Single player 27min, 43avg, 94high on the stress test.
I couldn't quite find benchmarks to match your chosen settings exactly, but the results from other websites don't seem to match your results, comparatively:
FiringSquad got an average of 28fps at 1600x1200. Granted, that was with 4xAA, but you tested at a higher resolution. And their minimums on the XT dropped to 20 at 1280x1024. That seems like a big difference from yours at 19x12.
Anandtech shows the XT averaged 33fps with 0xAA at a resolution very similar to yours, and only 21fps with 4xAA. Again, these results are very different from yours.
I don't really visit too many other hardware sites for benchmarks, so there might be some out there that got different results and are closer to what you get. I'm not trying to say you tested wrong or anything. All I can do is suggest video card solutions based on the benchmarks I have seen, and these are the ones I've seen. If you've done better with your XT, then, by all means, you have a good single-card solution. (Though a 43avg fps is debateable as being sufficient for some out there, and, like you said, those few would need to determine if the extra $$$ for another card is worth the performance.)
My point is that I think a blanket-statement that dual-gpu is unnecessary and "not recommendable to anyone" is an opinion that could easily be countered by someone who, in fact, sees it as necessary to get the frame rates they want, regardless of noise, power, heat, and price. And, again, price/performance is a ratio that is constantly moving with price fluctuations. When the 1800XT was released, you could buy 2x7800GTs for less and have more power. That's not the case anymore since the XT has come down in price.
Also when you goto upgrade, you're now taking the depreciation hit for 2 cards than just one which adds to your overall cost of ownership... Ultra high end single cards are quite powerful in their own right.
Very true. Let's take my situation as an example to play with the numbers. 12 months ago, I purchased 2x6800GTs for $650. Now, 12 months later, I want to sell them and go with the new G71-midrange... which may be priced at $400 each let's say. So, I sell my GTs for $360 total, and am out of pocket about $440 for SLI G71. A single-card owner can sell their single 6800GT for $180, and buy the high-end G71 for $599, out of pocket $420. I'm dropping the same $$ and getting better performance than any single card solution could provide. It just cost me more to get it all started 12 months ago. SLI (and likely crossfire for that matter) are expensive to get started, but once in it, the upgrade path is about the same as it is for single-card owners. Not to mention the great other perk-- I have been running great with 2x6800GTs for 12 months. A single-card 6800GT will have been struggling with games such as COD2 and FEAR, at higher resolutions and all on max.