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nRollo

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I think at this point I'm going to take RobertR1s wise advice that I've added to my sig as well.

I'll discuss Crossfire in this thread, as that's what I started it about, but nothing else.
 

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Originally posted by: RobertR1
I'm playing FEAR on my x1800xt at 1920x1200 with everything on maximum and 2xAdaptive AA, 16xHQAF and the gameplay is just fine in Single player 27min, 43avg, 94high on the stress test.

I couldn't quite find benchmarks to match your chosen settings exactly, but the results from other websites don't seem to match your results, comparatively:

FiringSquad got an average of 28fps at 1600x1200. Granted, that was with 4xAA, but you tested at a higher resolution. And their minimums on the XT dropped to 20 at 1280x1024. That seems like a big difference from yours at 19x12.

Anandtech shows the XT averaged 33fps with 0xAA at a resolution very similar to yours, and only 21fps with 4xAA. Again, these results are very different from yours.

I don't really visit too many other hardware sites for benchmarks, so there might be some out there that got different results and are closer to what you get. I'm not trying to say you tested wrong or anything. All I can do is suggest video card solutions based on the benchmarks I have seen, and these are the ones I've seen. If you've done better with your XT, then, by all means, you have a good single-card solution. (Though a 43avg fps is debateable as being sufficient for some out there, and, like you said, those few would need to determine if the extra $$$ for another card is worth the performance.)

My point is that I think a blanket-statement that dual-gpu is unnecessary and "not recommendable to anyone" is an opinion that could easily be countered by someone who, in fact, sees it as necessary to get the frame rates they want, regardless of noise, power, heat, and price. And, again, price/performance is a ratio that is constantly moving with price fluctuations. When the 1800XT was released, you could buy 2x7800GTs for less and have more power. That's not the case anymore since the XT has come down in price.

Also when you goto upgrade, you're now taking the depreciation hit for 2 cards than just one which adds to your overall cost of ownership... Ultra high end single cards are quite powerful in their own right.

Very true. Let's take my situation as an example to play with the numbers. 12 months ago, I purchased 2x6800GTs for $650. Now, 12 months later, I want to sell them and go with the new G71-midrange... which may be priced at $400 each let's say. So, I sell my GTs for $360 total, and am out of pocket about $440 for SLI G71. A single-card owner can sell their single 6800GT for $180, and buy the high-end G71 for $599, out of pocket $420. I'm dropping the same $$ and getting better performance than any single card solution could provide. It just cost me more to get it all started 12 months ago. SLI (and likely crossfire for that matter) are expensive to get started, but once in it, the upgrade path is about the same as it is for single-card owners. Not to mention the great other perk-- I have been running great with 2x6800GTs for 12 months. A single-card 6800GT will have been struggling with games such as COD2 and FEAR, at higher resolutions and all on max.
 

Keysplayr

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Well, we can list the pro's and cons of both SLI and Xfire, and then watch the ATIDL refute each negative point about Xfire. Hey, at least its something to do and to keep them on their toes?

LOL, anyway, sorry for the OT. It just seems that a lot of people here are desperate for you to be an AEG/Nvidia rep. They actually want you to be one.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: apoppin
there is a simple reason for this . . .

UNlike some here, we don't get "free" cards for our postings . . . Xfire is a LOT of money and evidently ATi doesn't use viral marketing like nVidia . . . or no doubt some of us would have it by now.

Most of us are also practical. . . . and prefer a single GPU solution.

Hmmm.

So you think some people get "free cards" and that they are the only ones who would have such computers?

LOL 3DFX must have given me the four Voodoo 2 SLI rigs I bought back in those days as well! AE3D! LOL

So, by your own admission:
1. You're not a customer of these multi gpu rigs
2. You don't like these multi GPU rigs

Yet here you are spending your evening arguing about a multi GPU rig.

Makes sense to me Apoppin. When I'm not here, I argue about who makes the best ballet shoes over on the ballet forum......

who are you replying to?
:confused:

you address me but MISQUOTE me MISunderstand me and MISS the point entirely . . . as usual . . . AFTER you get done stuffing words i did not type into my mouth.

Show me where i said:
1 or 2

you can't because . . .

. . . you made it up. :p
:thumbsdown:

a troll's tactic is creating "straw men" to bowl over.

 

Creig

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Obviously I care about multi gpu and am a potential customer for both SLI and Crossfire.

Rollo, you're about as much a customer of ATI as Dell is of AMD.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, we can list the pro's and cons of both SLI and Xfire, and then watch the ATIDL refute each negative point about Xfire. Hey, at least its something to do and to keep them on their toes?

LOL, anyway, sorry for the OT. It just seems that a lot of people here are desperate for you to be an AEG/Nvidia rep. They actually want you to be one.

What a lot of people here are desparate for is a way to divert attention away from the truth about Crossfire.

They have a hard time reconciling that the company they pimp daily as the "brilliant engineers" came up with such a wacky, jury rigged response to the performance industry leader.

About the only thing missing from Crossfire is a sticker of Calvin peeing on a "N" and a fiberglass air dam bolted oin the back of each card. (and maybe a free six pack of Schlitz in every box)
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Rollo
I think at this point I'm going to take RobertR1s wise advice that I've added to my sig as well.

I'll discuss Crossfire in this thread, as that's what I started it about, but nothing else.

OK . . . we'll hold you to that in OTHER threads

. . . now why is your anti-xfire FUD so different from the conclusions HardOCP drew? . . . it's like you just skimmed the review looking for points to slam ati for . . . for 'fair and balanced' you are sure neglecting the GOOD things they had to say about xfire.

Did you actually even read it?
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, we can list the pro's and cons of both SLI and Xfire, and then watch the ATIDL refute each negative point about Xfire. Hey, at least its something to do and to keep them on their toes?

LOL, anyway, sorry for the OT. It just seems that a lot of people here are desperate for you to be an AEG/Nvidia rep. They actually want you to be one.

What a lot of people here are desparate for is a way to divert attention away from the truth about Crossfire.

They have a hard time reconciling that the company they pimp daily as the "brilliant engineers" came up with such a wacky, jury rigged response to the performance industry leader.

About the only thing missing from Crossfire is a sticker of Calvin peeing on a "N" and a fiberglass air dam bolted oin the back of each card. (and maybe a free six pack of Schlitz in every box)
You are showing your true troll colours . . . and your HATRED and CONTEMPT for ati

no wonder more people see thru your ridiculous FUD you spew . . . you are doing ATi a real service with your BS bombast

you speak how nVidia "feels" about ati


and DESPITE the HUGE lead that nVidia had with SLI . . . evidently many years . . . ATi has caught up in just months. ;)

i'd say damn good engineers
:thumbsup:
 

Creig

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Originally posted by: Rollo
What a lot of people here are desparate for is a way to divert attention away from the truth about Crossfire.

They have a hard time reconciling that the company they pimp daily as the "brilliant engineers" came up with such a wacky, jury rigged response to the performance industry leader.

About the only thing missing from Crossfire is a sticker of Calvin peeing on a "N" and a fiberglass air dam bolted oin the back of each card. (and maybe a free six pack of Schlitz in every box)

Ah. This must be another one of those "Fair and balanced" statements I keep hearing so much about.
 

Paratus

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I'm just flabergasted at how NV rolled all the hardware sites with the 512 'hardlaunch'.
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: Rollo
Obviously I care about multi gpu and am a potential customer for both SLI and Crossfire.

Rollo, you're about as much a customer of ATI as Dell is of AMD.

Umm, I can vouch for Rollo that he has purchased a great many ATI products. One of which I bought from him last year. An X800XTPE. And traded DaPunisher a 9800pro long before that. So, you are mistaken and driven by something other than common sense.

 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, we can list the pro's and cons of both SLI and Xfire, and then watch the ATIDL refute each negative point about Xfire. Hey, at least its something to do and to keep them on their toes?

LOL, anyway, sorry for the OT. It just seems that a lot of people here are desperate for you to be an AEG/Nvidia rep. They actually want you to be one.

What a lot of people here are desparate for is a way to divert attention away from the truth about Crossfire.

They have a hard time reconciling that the company they pimp daily as the "brilliant engineers" came up with such a wacky, jury rigged response to the performance industry leader.

About the only thing missing from Crossfire is a sticker of Calvin peeing on a "N" and a fiberglass air dam bolted oin the back of each card. (and maybe a free six pack of Schlitz in every box)
You are showing your true troll colours . . . and your HATRED and CONTEMPT for ati

no wonder more people see thru your ridiculous FUD you spew . . . you are doing ATi a real service with your BS bombast

you speak how nVidia "feels" about ati


and DESPITE the HUGE lead that nVidia had with SLI . . . evidently many years . . . ATi has caught up in just months. ;)

i'd say damn good engineers
:thumbsup:

I absolutely hate to interrupt your quest for notoriety here at AT, but, I think your going a bit overboard. Could backfire on ya.

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: Rollo
Obviously I care about multi gpu and am a potential customer for both SLI and Crossfire.

Rollo, you're about as much a customer of ATI as Dell is of AMD.

Umm, I can vouch for Rollo that he has purchased a great many ATI products. One of which I bought from him last year. An X800XTPE. And traded DaPunisher a 9800pro long before that. So, you are mistaken and driven by something other than common sense.
"a great many?" only during the time ATi dominated . . .

. . . he bought ati to bash it - that way he can say "i had ati, look how fair i am". . . and i guess he couldn't stand the Dustbuster . . . or to put up with 2nd best from nVidia his "performance industry leader" . . .

although i prefer ATi, i'd buy a 7800GT AGP if there is no equivalent answer from ATi. . . . heck, i had nVidia cards ;)

they are excellent
 

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I think it's funny the way Rollo is giving so much merit to this review, while at the same time it's being thoroughly slammed for its shoddiness by HardOCP's own members in this thread. Many of the problems that the review cited are probably fixed with the 5.13 drivers which came out 3 weeks ago. You'd think with their review coming weeks after other crossfire reviews, they would have at least had time to use the new drivers.

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, we can list the pro's and cons of both SLI and Xfire, and then watch the ATIDL refute each negative point about Xfire. Hey, at least its something to do and to keep them on their toes?

LOL, anyway, sorry for the OT. It just seems that a lot of people here are desperate for you to be an AEG/Nvidia rep. They actually want you to be one.

What a lot of people here are desparate for is a way to divert attention away from the truth about Crossfire.

They have a hard time reconciling that the company they pimp daily as the "brilliant engineers" came up with such a wacky, jury rigged response to the performance industry leader.

About the only thing missing from Crossfire is a sticker of Calvin peeing on a "N" and a fiberglass air dam bolted oin the back of each card. (and maybe a free six pack of Schlitz in every box)
You are showing your true troll colours . . . and your HATRED and CONTEMPT for ati

no wonder more people see thru your ridiculous FUD you spew . . . you are doing ATi a real service with your BS bombast

you speak how nVidia "feels" about ati


and DESPITE the HUGE lead that nVidia had with SLI . . . evidently many years . . . ATi has caught up in just months. ;)

i'd say damn good engineers
:thumbsup:

I absolutely hate to interrupt your quest for notoriety here at AT, but, I think your going a bit overboard. Could backfire on ya.

just like it did on Rollo?

possibly

but then i speak my OWN mind and my own agenda . . . what is fair for you and him is fair for me also.

Please show where i am going "overboard"? i am responding to a most onesided topic poster that IGNORES the review's conclusions that he links to.

How is my POV going overboard? Read what Rollo posted [in bold] . . . i am simply responding to that hatred of ati that colours everything he posts.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: apoppin
How is my POV going overboard? Read what Rollo posted [in bold] . . . i am simply responding to that hatred of ati that colours everything he posts.

You mean like how I've posted several times recently that ATI has better AGP choices?

Or my thread about the good review of the X1800XLAIW?

Or my repeated posts about how the X1800XT is currently the best deal at the $500 price point?

Face it Apoppin- for all your "Let's make the forums a more friendly place" chatter- you're just a guy that buys cheap video cards and likes to talk about expensive ones. (and argue with as many emoticons as you can stuff in a post)
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: apoppin
"a great many?" only during the time ATi dominated . . .

. . . he bought ati to bash it - that way he can say "i had ati, look how fair i am". . . and i guess he couldn't stand the Dustbuster . . . or to put up with 2nd best from nVidia his "performance industry leader" . . .

although i prefer ATi, i'd buy a 7800GT AGP if there is no equivalent answer from ATi. . . . heck, i had nVidia cards ;)

they are excellent[/quote]

Cmon dude, how many times have you seen him list all the ATI cards he has owned? I know you remember because you remember just about every syllable Rollo utters on this forum.

He... bought... these video cards... to bash them? I would think he bought them to play some video games. When I bought the X800XTPE from him, do you think it was to set it on fire as soon as I got it? Yeah, sure, lets go with that. Seriously, it went into my rig faster than you can believe. And it did rock along very nicely. We buy em to try em brudda. I would be very willing to buy a X1800/X1900. Unfortunately the X1800 was just a myth for a very long time and the GTX was out in full force, so I went with it.
I'm sure you're liking your new 850XT. At stock clocks, it is almost as fast as my X800XTPE was, and that was very fast.

But for the record, I cannot see you ever buying an xfire setup as your PC usage seems to be on the conservative side. Your a mid range kinda guy and you like it there. Me too. I almost always bought 2nd or 3rd from the top card as I did not want to spend too much for my budget. I got my current 7800GTX by partial cash/PC parts trade in FS/FT. It's the first time I think I ever had the top end graphics card, when it was still the top card.

 

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Originally posted by: M0RPH
I think it's funny the way Rollo is giving so much merit to this review, while at the same time it's being thoroughly slammed for its shoddiness by HardOCP's own members in this thread. Many of the problems that the review cited are probably fixed with the 5.13 drivers which came out 3 weeks ago. You'd think with their review coming weeks after other crossfire reviews, they would have at least had time to use the new drivers.

The 5.13 drivers did not fix the dongle or the master card or the performance issues in games like AOEIII, Dawn Of War & Black & White 2 or the bugs that several people have been reporting in multiple forums or the fact that IT DOES NOT WORK WELL WITHOUT A PROFILE.

A driver update is not a miracle fix for a last minute dual card solution.
 

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Originally posted by: Rollo
You mean like how I've posted several times recently that ATI has better AGP choices?
Comparing to what NVIDIA card?
Or my thread about the good review of the X1800XLAIW?
NVIDIA doesn't have a competing product here either...
Or my repeated posts about how the X1800XT is currently the best deal at the $500 price point?
Again, no competing NVIDIA product at $500. btw the X1800XT is now < 500


You only recommend ATi when you can't recommend a similar NVIDIA product.


And before you start bashing me about not owning an X1800, I do since last week :) (best card ever).

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: apoppin
How is my POV going overboard? Read what Rollo posted [in bold] . . . i am simply responding to that hatred of ati that colours everything he posts.

You mean like how I've posted several times recently that ATI has better AGP choices?

Or my thread about the good review of the X1800XLAIW?

Or my repeated posts about how the X1800XT is currently the best deal at the $500 price point?

Face it Apoppin- for all your "Let's make the forums a more friendly place" chatter- you're just a guy that buys cheap video cards and likes to talk about expensive ones. (and argue with as many emoticons as you can stuff in a post)

wait a minute . . . if you're the "SLI guy" what the heck are you doing in AGP threads? Or AIW threads? or single GPUs?

And you HAVE to agree with the obvious . . . i'd like to see ANYone that claims to be "fair and balanced" dispute the quality of the AIW or the best bang-for-buck@$500 or that ATi has better AGP choices. ;) if you didn't occasionally post something "positive" your position would be even more ridiculous.

Face it Rollo, you are a Hardware Snob with a gudge against ATi . . . and it is becoming harder and harder for you to hide it.

Yes, i do buy great bang-for-buck videocards that suit my system and my resolutions and i don't mind playing FEAR [which i got today btw, nice game - great gfx] at 10x7 with everything 'on' and 'max' and 'hi' with no slowdowns.
:thumbsup:
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: nts
Originally posted by: Rollo
You mean like how I've posted several times recently that ATI has better AGP choices?
Comparing to what NVIDIA card?
Or my thread about the good review of the X1800XLAIW?
NVIDIA doesn't have a competing product here either...
Or my repeated posts about how the X1800XT is currently the best deal at the $500 price point?
Again, no competing NVIDIA product at $500. btw the X1800XT is now < 500


You only recommend ATi when you can't recommend a similar NVIDIA product.


And before you start bashing me about not owning an X1800, I do since last week :) (best card ever).


Why would I care if there are competing nVidia cards? Not like I'm selling nVidia cards now is it?

Sigh.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: apoppin
"a great many?" only during the time ATi dominated . . .

. . . he bought ati to bash it - that way he can say "i had ati, look how fair i am". . . and i guess he couldn't stand the Dustbuster . . . or to put up with 2nd best from nVidia his "performance industry leader" . . .

although i prefer ATi, i'd buy a 7800GT AGP if there is no equivalent answer from ATi. . . . heck, i had nVidia cards ;)

they are excellent

Cmon dude, how many times have you seen him list all the ATI cards he has owned? I know you remember because you remember just about every syllable Rollo utters on this forum.

He... bought... these video cards... to bash them? I would think he bought them to play some video games. When I bought the X800XTPE from him, do you think it was to set it on fire as soon as I got it? Yeah, sure, lets go with that. Seriously, it went into my rig faster than you can believe. And it did rock along very nicely. We buy em to try em brudda. I would be very willing to buy a X1800/X1900. Unfortunately the X1800 was just a myth for a very long time and the GTX was out in full force, so I went with it.
I'm sure you're liking your new 850XT. At stock clocks, it is almost as fast as my X800XTPE was, and that was very fast.

But for the record, I cannot see you ever buying an xfire setup as your PC usage seems to be on the conservative side. Your a mid range kinda guy and you like it there. Me too. I almost always bought 2nd or 3rd from the top card as I did not want to spend too much for my budget. I got my current 7800GTX by partial cash/PC parts trade in FS/FT. It's the first time I think I ever had the top end graphics card, when it was still the top card.

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i honestly don't know . . . i don't really pay that much atention to Rollo - except when he posts extreme FUD . . . or something useful.

i DO know he had ATi cards during r300's heyday and when the x850xtpe was ahead of the ultra . . . and he - a self-admitted sli fan - also had the Radeon MAXX [which it appears he is ridiculing].

you can't see me buying SLI? strange . . . i can . . when the bugs get worked out and it becomes mainstream . . . right now i am very interested in its evolution and development plus i like to see the different ways ATi and nVidia impliment it . . . i would definitely say SLI/xfire is in my future.

and i ALWAYS got the very top [or 2nd card and made it top] . . . Rage Fury 32. . . 128MB Radeon 8500, 256MB RadeonPro into a "true" 9800xt . . . x850xt at PE+ speeds [547/1228] . . why would me buying xfire be so different? . . . i DO plan to run multiple displays . . . eventually . . . whatever is best bang for the buck at the time i am buying will be 'it' - nVidia or ATi.

i just don't see my rig as "slow" . . . is a A64 3000+ slow? as i pointed out in your CoD thread, you can O/C you Intel CPU to past 3200+ performance levels - even in games.

When i see it slow, then i will do the complete makeover . . . until then i will be satisfied . . . but it wont stop me from learning and sharing.
 

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Originally posted by: apoppin
you can't see me buying SLI? strange . . . i can . . when the bugs get worked out and it becomes mainstream . . . right now i am very interested in its evolution and development plus i like to see the different ways ATi and nVidia impliment it . . . i would definitely say SLI/xfire is in my future.

Bugs? SLI has about as many bugs as any single ATI or NVIDIA card. They all have some and always will.

Mainstream? Even a Grandma can order up a SLI system from Dell. Do they have to sell them at 7-11 next to the Cigarettes before you consider them mainstream?

The only thing stopping anyone from going SLI is the price, otherwise everyone would be running it.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: apoppin
you can't see me buying SLI? strange . . . i can . . when the bugs get worked out and it becomes mainstream . . . right now i am very interested in its evolution and development plus i like to see the different ways ATi and nVidia impliment it . . . i would definitely say SLI/xfire is in my future.

Bugs? SLI has about as many bugs as any single ATI or NVIDIA card. They all have some and always will.

Mainstream? Even a Grandma can order up a SLI system from Dell. Do they have to sell them at 7-11 next to the Cigarettes before you consider them mainstream?

The only thing stopping anyone from going SLI is the price, otherwise everyone would be running it.

Look at that buggy Quad SLI . . . it has a way to go . . . plus i expect SLI/xfire to become more "refined" with even greater performance of 2 cards over one.

Thats what i mean.

Grandma is getting ripped off ordering SLI - from Dell . . . "lipstick on a pig" someone called it . . . she better do her research and pick up AMD. ;)

"Mainstream" look it up and then you will know what i mean . . . and not your silly intrepretation of it.

Your last statement is your opinion; - NOT "everyone" some are looking for a powerful single card solution . . . not every one likes hot and noisy. :p
 

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Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel
Originally posted by: RobertR1
I'm playing FEAR on my x1800xt at 1920x1200 with everything on maximum and 2xAdaptive AA, 16xHQAF and the gameplay is just fine in Single player 27min, 43avg, 94high on the stress test.

I couldn't quite find benchmarks to match your chosen settings exactly, but the results from other websites don't seem to match your results, comparatively:

FiringSquad got an average of 28fps at 1600x1200. Granted, that was with 4xAA, but you tested at a higher resolution. And their minimums on the XT dropped to 20 at 1280x1024. That seems like a big difference from yours at 19x12.

Anandtech shows the XT averaged 33fps with 0xAA at a resolution very similar to yours, and only 21fps with 4xAA. Again, these results are very different from yours.

I don't really visit too many other hardware sites for benchmarks, so there might be some out there that got different results and are closer to what you get. I'm not trying to say you tested wrong or anything. All I can do is suggest video card solutions based on the benchmarks I have seen, and these are the ones I've seen. If you've done better with your XT, then, by all means, you have a good single-card solution. (Though a 43avg fps is debateable as being sufficient for some out there, and, like you said, those few would need to determine if the extra $$$ for another card is worth the performance.)

My point is that I think a blanket-statement that dual-gpu is unnecessary and "not recommendable to anyone" is an opinion that could easily be countered by someone who, in fact, sees it as necessary to get the frame rates they want, regardless of noise, power, heat, and price. And, again, price/performance is a ratio that is constantly moving with price fluctuations. When the 1800XT was released, you could buy 2x7800GTs for less and have more power. That's not the case anymore since the XT has come down in price.

Also when you goto upgrade, you're now taking the depreciation hit for 2 cards than just one which adds to your overall cost of ownership... Ultra high end single cards are quite powerful in their own right.

Very true. Let's take my situation as an example to play with the numbers. 12 months ago, I purchased 2x6800GTs for $650. Now, 12 months later, I want to sell them and go with the new G71-midrange... which may be priced at $400 each let's say. So, I sell my GTs for $360 total, and am out of pocket about $440 for SLI G71. A single-card owner can sell their single 6800GT for $180, and buy the high-end G71 for $599, out of pocket $420. I'm dropping the same $$ and getting better performance than any single card solution could provide. It just cost me more to get it all started 12 months ago. SLI (and likely crossfire for that matter) are expensive to get started, but once in it, the upgrade path is about the same as it is for single-card owners. Not to mention the great other perk-- I have been running great with 2x6800GTs for 12 months. A single-card 6800GT will have been struggling with games such as COD2 and FEAR, at higher resolutions and all on max.


I'm not too sure if the other sites are using the single player retail or perhaps actual game play? There is quite a hit difference between 2xAA and 4xAA on FEAR. I also have my x1800xt OC'd to 700/800. This OC raised my average fps by 5 which really help when you're at 38vs43. I do apologize for not clarifying that earlier. 4xAA IS unplayable for me and would require xfire but my demands are not that great for a game I'll only run through once.


I like your numbers scenario but it's only valid IF the next generation mid range card in Sli actually does beat it's ultra high end variant and there is a significant cost variation between the high end and the ultra high end card. While this is the case with 7800GT's, it might change with the G71. When the 7800GT came out I believe it was being sold at $399 while the 7800GTX was already down to $499. One could also make the case that for an extra $200 you're getting a lot more performance and should go for it. Only recently has the price of the 7800GT dropped dramatically. With the release of the X1800 series helping this price drop, the 7800GT Sli has become a very good option and I can totally see why one would opt for it. At the end of the day, your pockets will decide your outcome but I will say that Sli and Xfire do give some interesting scenarios especially at the later stages of a product life cycle when the street prices drop.