hardcore gamer, 5+hous a day, is the fw900 for me?

[JimmyH]

Congrats on the FW900. jsw's COD2 and HL2 pics look INCREDIBLE. Wonder how it compares to the Mistu 2070SB, best monitor I ever had the pleasure to frag on. Would imagine there pretty close but wide screen is dead sexy.

I use my 8ms Hyundai L90D+ for daily use, but I would never try any FPS gaming or LAN action on it. I certainly miss the true blacks, ability to run non-native rezs, and vastly better responce times, but not the eyestrain. It takes me an hour + to re-adjust my rail, snipe, aiming to the vastly superior CRT. Its kinda like going from 80ms ping to 50ms, its not much different but its there for sure.

The only drawback I can think of for big CRTs is in RTS because its so BIG you have to move your head to see the minimap LOL. You can just get farther away from the display at which point you are wondering why you brought in your ~ 100 lb. paperweight. I find that 3 sets of 10 squats w/ a 21"-24" crt halfway thru a LAN party helps pack mass on my wheels, just make sure you have a whey shake afterwards I definately be rollin' a 17" CRT if I hardcored SC, W3, AOE, etc. etc..

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: JimmyH
I use my 8ms Hyundai L90D+ for daily use, but I would never try any FPS gaming or LAN action on it. I certainly miss the true blacks, ability to run non-native rezs, and vastly better responce times, but not the eyestrain. It takes me an hour + to re-adjust my rail, snipe, aiming to the vastly superior CRT. Its kinda like going from 80ms ping to 50ms, its not much different but its there for sure.

What do you mean re-adjust your aiming?

 

[JimmyH]

It just feels like it takes a lil longer from time I move the mouse till I see said movement on screen. Also motion blur when I do flick wrist 180s and such makes it impossible to clearly see other circle strafing battles in the distance (ie peripheral vision). I can just pick up opponents faster and clearer on a CRT than a LCD.

 

[aggressor]

Here is a video showing a CRT and a LCD hooked up to the same source during a game of Q3. You can very clearly see the lag of image on the LCD.

http://s88012115.onlinehome.us/TFTDelayBeweis.avi

It's one of the lesser known things about LCDs, I believe.

 

[SonicIce]

xtknight, there are very few CRT threads around here any more. CRTs still have thier place. The OP obviously is one of us who could use a good CRT. Just let him be. He is serious about it. Go to an LCD thread.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: xtknight
But let's be honest here. You probably can see the motion blur on every LCD you've tried, can't you jiffy? It just doesn't bother you... or maybe you can't see it at all in any situation?

Nope, I don't see any motion blur/"ghosting" on my 2005fpw (12ms) at all. It looks perfect to my eyes, but I don't sit there 6" from the screen scrutinizing it for any sign of ghosting, either .

I had a Samsung 191T that I noticed bad streaking/ghosting on; that one was rated at 25ms and was tested to have ~90ms grey to grey transitions (I kid you not!). Even my 25ms VGA Samsung 173V I had awhile ago was half decent for gaming. Once I got a 710T (12ms, DVI), I basically decided there was no need to go back to CRT.

Originally posted by: JimmyH
Congrats on the FW900. jsw's COD2 and HL2 pics look INCREDIBLE. Wonder how it compares to the Mistu 2070SB, best monitor I ever had the pleasure to frag on. Would imagine there pretty close but wide screen is dead sexy.

He didn't buy it yet - did you read his post or just the title?

I use my 8ms Hyundai L90D+ for daily use, but I would never try any FPS gaming or LAN action on it. I certainly miss the true blacks, ability to run non-native rezs, and vastly better responce times, but not the eyestrain. It takes me an hour + to re-adjust my rail, snipe, aiming to the vastly superior CRT. Its kinda like going from 80ms ping to 50ms, its not much different but its there for sure.

The only drawback I can think of for big CRTs is in RTS because its so BIG you have to move your head to see the minimap LOL. You can just get farther away from the display at which point you are wondering why you brought in your ~ 100 lb. paperweight. I find that 3 sets of 10 squats w/ a 21"-24" crt halfway thru a LAN party helps pack mass on my wheels, just make sure you have a whey shake afterwards I definately be rollin' a 17" CRT if I hardcored SC, W3, AOE, etc. etc..

Viewable size of a CRT screen is pretty much irrelevant as a 'win' for CRT's; 20", 21" 4:3 and 24" widescreen are easily available for both LCD's and CRT's. Plus you dont lose 1-2" of viewable screen area for the rated size on LCD's (19" LCD = 19" visible, unlike 19" CRT's which are 18" vis; or 22" CRT which is 20-20.5" visible).

You forget the massive power consumption of CRT's, which is a drawback. Heat output, size, weight... I find it sad that you won't even try an FPS on your LCD (it sounds to me like you've made up your mind before you've even experimented, meaning nothing will change your mind at this point). Also, "true" blacks on CRT's are nice but hardly an issue in FPS'es. Unless you're one of those types who blames absolutely anything he can when he gets fragged .

"Damn dude I couldn't see you my LCD wasn't displaying true blacks! Plus it was ghosting even though it's rated for 4ms."

 

[aggressor]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
"Damn dude I couldn't see you my LCD wasn't displaying true blacks! Plus it was ghosting even though it's rated for 4ms."

Doesn't everybody know by now that LCD latency ratings from manufacturers are all bogus?

 

[CP5670]

Also, "true" blacks on CRT's are nice but hardly an issue in FPS'es. Unless you're one of those types who blames absolutely anything he can when he gets fragged.

This is actually a major problem if you play dark games in a dark room, even on good LCDs with relatively high contrast ratios. This is my main beef with LCDs at the moment. The 2405, VP930B and some others I've seen all leave a lot to be desired in this respect, although there is a new Samsung one coming out that is supposed to be a lot better.

Also, the Superbright Diamondtron CRTs can display a much higher brightness than other CRTs and look quite different than any other CRTs I have seen. They are comparable to most LCDs and can give the same type of vibrant, "jumping out at you" colors, although some larger LCDs are still significantly brighter at their maximum settings.

The drawbacks with heat and size are definitely important to some people, but you really can't touch a top notch CRT (and one that's not defective, a rarity these days) for flat out no-compromise IQ in games. I don't know if this will really be changing until SEDs and OLEDs come out.

 

[fern420]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: xtknight
But let's be honest here. You probably can see the motion blur on every LCD you've tried, can't you jiffy? It just doesn't bother you... or maybe you can't see it at all in any situation?

Nope, I don't see any motion blur/"ghosting" on my 2005fpw (12ms) at all. It looks perfect to my eyes, but I don't sit there 6" from the screen scrutinizing it for any sign of ghosting, either .

I had a Samsung 191T that I noticed bad streaking/ghosting on; that one was rated at 25ms and was tested to have ~90ms grey to grey transitions (I kid you not!). Even my 25ms VGA Samsung 173V I had awhile ago was half decent for gaming. Once I got a 710T (12ms, DVI), I basically decided there was no need to go back to CRT.

Originally posted by: JimmyH
Congrats on the FW900. jsw's COD2 and HL2 pics look INCREDIBLE. Wonder how it compares to the Mistu 2070SB, best monitor I ever had the pleasure to frag on. Would imagine there pretty close but wide screen is dead sexy.

He didn't buy it yet - did you read his post or just the title?

I use my 8ms Hyundai L90D+ for daily use, but I would never try any FPS gaming or LAN action on it. I certainly miss the true blacks, ability to run non-native rezs, and vastly better responce times, but not the eyestrain. It takes me an hour + to re-adjust my rail, snipe, aiming to the vastly superior CRT. Its kinda like going from 80ms ping to 50ms, its not much different but its there for sure.

The only drawback I can think of for big CRTs is in RTS because its so BIG you have to move your head to see the minimap LOL. You can just get farther away from the display at which point you are wondering why you brought in your ~ 100 lb. paperweight. I find that 3 sets of 10 squats w/ a 21"-24" crt halfway thru a LAN party helps pack mass on my wheels, just make sure you have a whey shake afterwards I definately be rollin' a 17" CRT if I hardcored SC, W3, AOE, etc. etc..

Viewable size of a CRT screen is pretty much irrelevant as a 'win' for CRT's; 20", 21" 4:3 and 24" widescreen are easily available for both LCD's and CRT's. Plus you dont lose 1-2" of viewable screen area for the rated size on LCD's (19" LCD = 19" visible, unlike 19" CRT's which are 18" vis; or 22" CRT which is 20-20.5" visible).

You forget the massive power consumption of CRT's, which is a drawback. Heat output, size, weight... I find it sad that you won't even try an FPS on your LCD (it sounds to me like you've made up your mind before you've even experimented, meaning nothing will change your mind at this point). Also, "true" blacks on CRT's are nice but hardly an issue in FPS'es. Unless you're one of those types who blames absolutely anything he can when he gets fragged .

"Damn dude I couldn't see you my LCD wasn't displaying true blacks! Plus it was ghosting even though it's rated for 4ms."

well the one area i am lucky in is i do have the space and power consumption isnt the concern. ive only actually seen in person a few of the new gen lcds, the vk924, it was set up in store so i cant confirm if it had the correct connections but i could see some undesirable effects lets say while jumping and spinning a 360 in BF2 while in a knife fight, its probably something i could get used to after time but i hate to try to get used to it
in the middle of our clans most important game season, our TWL tourny, we are still undefeated.

im not the gamer you refer to, heheh, i know the type, i get killed i just deal with it and hunt down my killer, nothing looks better than sneaking up on the guy that just fragged you and sticking a blade in his neck, he wont talk smack for much longer, heheh. i know ive been kind of biased toward the crts, i guess i just havnt got enough opportunities to witness very many good gaming lcds in action.


i havnt seen the 2005fpw in game, ive seen it set up in windows and some basic dvd playing but never got to see it in heavy action, i was considering it, was on the top of my list, but that 12 ms thing really detoured me since i was trying to search for the lowest possible response time and viewsonic advertisies a 3ms on that vk924 and it didnt look groundbreaking to me or make me drop my jaw so i assumed 12ms would be even pooer ingame. on the other hand ive also read how there's no standard for the timing yet so different companies will rate them entirely differently. believe me the idea of saving 90 pounds and a footprint that would make bigfoot jelous does entice me, i guess i just havnt seen enough hard-core gaming lcds in action. luckily that fw900 has the available 2 year warrranty with it so im praying that in 2 years thoes next gen lcds will be kicking a crts butt and i can gain back all this desktop space thats been lost in the abbys of a giant monitor.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: SonicIce
xtknight, there are very few CRT threads around here any more. CRTs still have thier place. The OP obviously is one of us who could use a good CRT. Just let him be. He is serious about it. Go to an LCD thread.

I made it very clear he should get a CRT? I guess I don't see anything wrong with discussing pros and cons of both in the video forum? I even told him where he could buy one...I don't understand this post?

I think a CRT would be essential because of resolution-changing flexibility. I also used to be in the quake3 scene a lot and people there tweak their settings to no end, like mipmap5, all aa/af off, etc. Same place where 60 fps probably wouldn't be considered playable and it's nice to be able to reduce the resolution without it looking like crap.

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: SonicIce
xtknight, there are very few CRT threads around here any more. CRTs still have thier place. The OP obviously is one of us who could use a good CRT. Just let him be. He is serious about it. Go to an LCD thread.

I made it very clear he should get a CRT? I guess I don't see anything wrong with discussing pros and cons of both in the video forum? I even told him where he could buy one...I don't understand this post?

So you wouldn't mind me going to your sticky and further discussing the screen door effect, excessive brightness (BTW, you had a question about this....whether or not it was an issue....IMO LCDs are farrrrr brighter than CRTs), poor blacks, restricted resolution, et. al. I mean, to more fully compare and contrast LCDs v. CRTs. I'm sure you would welcome that type of discussion in your LCD sticky, right?

Fern I can play all day on my NEC FE2111 Diamondtron. Flicker schmicker. The LCD lemmings need to complain about something because they can't change their resolution (and are thus a slave to their video card), have no blacks, have lag in fast games...... LCDs are bad for a number of other reasons. Don't listen to the lemmings.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: SonicIce
So you wouldn't mind me going to your sticky and further discussing the screen door effect, excessive brightness (BTW, you had a question about this....whether or not it was an issue....IMO LCDs are farrrrr brighter than CRTs), poor blacks, restricted resolution, et. al. I mean, to more fully compare and contrast LCDs v. CRTs. I'm sure you would welcome that type of discussion in your LCD sticky, right?

Fern I can play all day on my NEC FE2111 Diamondtron. Flicker schmicker. The LCD lemmings need to complain about something because they can't change their resolution (and are thus a slave to their video card), have no blacks, have lag in fast games...... LCDs are bad for a number of other reasons. Don't listen to the lemmings.

Go ahead. I'm not especially biased toward anything and I welcome any discussion about it and future technology. As long as you keep it constructive and don't resort to name calling like you do in your last post I'm all for discussing it. Obviously if I'm so biased for LCDs I wouldn't have a huge SED thread either. Did it ever occur to you I'm biased toward every display and could make a strong argument for any? Besides that it seems like the OP wanted to know more about how LCDs are progressing and if they would ever become a viable choice for him in the future despite his decision already being made about CRTs for now. Right, OP?

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Go ahead. I'm not especially biased toward anything and I welcome any discussion about it and future technology. As long as you keep it constructive and don't resort to name calling like you do in your last post I'm all for discussing it. Obviously if I'm so biased for LCDs I wouldn't have a huge SED thread either. Did it ever occur to you I'm biased toward every display and could make a strong argument for any? Besides that it seems like the OP wanted to know more about how LCDs are progressing despite his decision already being made about CRTs for now. Right, OP?

You mocked the OP in your first post in this thread. And you accuse me of name calling? Pot...kettle....black.....

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Hadsus

Originally posted by: xtknight
Go ahead. I'm not especially biased toward anything and I welcome any discussion about it and future technology. As long as you keep it constructive and don't resort to name calling like you do in your last post I'm all for discussing it. Obviously if I'm so biased for LCDs I wouldn't have a huge SED thread either. Did it ever occur to you I'm biased toward every display and could make a strong argument for any? Besides that it seems like the OP wanted to know more about how LCDs are progressing despite his decision already being made about CRTs for now. Right, OP?

You mocked the OP in your first post in this thread. And you accuse me of name calling? Pot...kettle....black.....

I thought the part about the Mexican labor was kinda funny. I told him motion blur was a subjective matter and am implying he should look at the whole picture. Now how am I mocking him again? It's obvious you're just flaming me now. OK the post wasn't worded the best and did make me sound like an LCD nazi. Do you want a cookie?

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Hadsus

Originally posted by: xtknight
Go ahead. I'm not especially biased toward anything and I welcome any discussion about it and future technology. As long as you keep it constructive and don't resort to name calling like you do in your last post I'm all for discussing it. Obviously if I'm so biased for LCDs I wouldn't have a huge SED thread either. Did it ever occur to you I'm biased toward every display and could make a strong argument for any? Besides that it seems like the OP wanted to know more about how LCDs are progressing despite his decision already being made about CRTs for now. Right, OP?

You mocked the OP in your first post in this thread. And you accuse me of name calling? Pot...kettle....black.....

I thought the part about the Mexican labor was kinda funny...now how am I mocking him again? It's obvious you're just flaming me now.

Correction, "half of the OP was hilarious" [your words] not just the part about Mexican labor. No, I'm not flaming you, just quoting and correcting you. Your high horse just had its legs kicked out from underneath it.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Correction, "half of the OP was hilarious" [your words] not just the part about Mexican labor. No, I'm not flaming you, just quoting and correcting you. Your high horse just had its legs kicked out from underneath it.

Oh dear...somebody call the police. I exaggerated. :roll: I edited my post, does that make you feel better now? For that matter I still don't understand how I'm mocking him? Remember...your words, not mine. I think he's a great person but he just sounded unreasonably skewed in his OP (and maybe, just possibly he didn't understand his choices), that's all. I guess it's natural for me to be stereotyped because of my thread but it's really getting old now, seriously. I hope you realize I have it because I enjoy helping people and I'm not trying to 'convert' people (even though it probably sounds like it to you). I don't understand what's with all the hostility in this thread.

 

[fern420]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: SonicIce
So you wouldn't mind me going to your sticky and further discussing the screen door effect, excessive brightness (BTW, you had a question about this....whether or not it was an issue....IMO LCDs are farrrrr brighter than CRTs), poor blacks, restricted resolution, et. al. I mean, to more fully compare and contrast LCDs v. CRTs. I'm sure you would welcome that type of discussion in your LCD sticky, right?

Fern I can play all day on my NEC FE2111 Diamondtron. Flicker schmicker. The LCD lemmings need to complain about something because they can't change their resolution (and are thus a slave to their video card), have no blacks, have lag in fast games...... LCDs are bad for a number of other reasons. Don't listen to the lemmings.

Go ahead. I'm not especially biased toward anything and I welcome any discussion about it and future technology. As long as you keep it constructive and don't resort to name calling like you do in your last post I'm all for discussing it. Obviously if I'm so biased for LCDs I wouldn't have a huge SED thread either. Did it ever occur to you I'm biased toward every display and could make a strong argument for any? Besides that it seems like the OP wanted to know more about how LCDs are progressing and if they would ever become a viable choice for him in the future despite his decision already being made about CRTs for now. Right, OP?

heheh, didnt mean to start the engines a reving, heheh. i know noone was seriously poking fun at me, just being sacastic. i do appreciate this info on the lcds, my lcd knowledge is limited to what ive been reading in the last 30 days since i seriously started considering a new monitor. im sure with this 1st quarter we will see some outstanding lcds, im trying to be resonable as to it being about 2 years when they are mainstream and not 1200 bucks for a kickass gaming lcd. i realy didnt realize that lag on the lcd until i looked at that comparison vid of the crt next to the lcd, i didnt realy notice ghosting but wow was the response lag a major issue in that video, even if its a half a second, id be long dead before my screen reacted to my mouse movement. anyway i realy appreciate the input guys, and from what i read the true sony branded fw900's are built in japan rather than the hp ones in mexico, if anyone knows if im incorrect please let me know

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: fern420
heheh, didnt mean to start the engines a reving, heheh. i know noone was seriously poking fun at me, just being sacastic. i do appreciate this info on the lcds, my lcd knowledge is limited to what ive been reading in the last 30 days since i seriously started considering a new monitor. im sure with this 1st quarter we will see some outstanding lcds, im trying to be resonable as to it being about 2 years when they are mainstream and not 1200 bucks for a kickass gaming lcd. i realy didnt realize that lag on the lcd until i looked at that comparison vid of the crt next to the lcd, i didnt realy notice ghosting but wow was the response lag a major issue in that video, even if its a half a second, id be long dead before my screen reacted to my mouse movement. anyway i realy appreciate the input guys, and from what i read the true sony branded fw900's are built in japan rather than the hp ones in mexico, if anyone knows if im incorrect please let me know

Yeah that lag is kind of odd. I wonder if there's more info about that anywhere. I know it happens with my ATI TV Wonder when using composite inputs or even TV tuning there is even worse lag. That can be an issue if you want to play PS2 on your PC.

It's vaguely possible that the time the crystals take to transition all builds up and causes that lag or something, but it's my guess the experiment wasn't controlled correctly because that shouldn't happen, I'm pretty sure the crystals' decrease in speed doesn't accumulate to cause a slow down, it simply overlaps and blurs more in the particular few frames. In the case of my tuner box it's clearly a driver issue. But if for some reason it does happen I agree that could be a serious botch against your experience.

 

[Hadsus]

Originally posted by: fern420

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: SonicIce
So you wouldn't mind me going to your sticky and further discussing the screen door effect, excessive brightness (BTW, you had a question about this....whether or not it was an issue....IMO LCDs are farrrrr brighter than CRTs), poor blacks, restricted resolution, et. al. I mean, to more fully compare and contrast LCDs v. CRTs. I'm sure you would welcome that type of discussion in your LCD sticky, right?

Fern I can play all day on my NEC FE2111 Diamondtron. Flicker schmicker. The LCD lemmings need to complain about something because they can't change their resolution (and are thus a slave to their video card), have no blacks, have lag in fast games...... LCDs are bad for a number of other reasons. Don't listen to the lemmings.

Go ahead. I'm not especially biased toward anything and I welcome any discussion about it and future technology. As long as you keep it constructive and don't resort to name calling like you do in your last post I'm all for discussing it. Obviously if I'm so biased for LCDs I wouldn't have a huge SED thread either. Did it ever occur to you I'm biased toward every display and could make a strong argument for any? Besides that it seems like the OP wanted to know more about how LCDs are progressing and if they would ever become a viable choice for him in the future despite his decision already being made about CRTs for now. Right, OP?

heheh, didnt mean to start the engines a reving, heheh. i know noone was seriously poking fun at me, just being sacastic. i do appreciate this info on the lcds, my lcd knowledge is limited to what ive been reading in the last 30 days since i seriously started considering a new monitor. im sure with this 1st quarter we will see some outstanding lcds, im trying to be resonable as to it being about 2 years when they are mainstream and not 1200 bucks for a kickass gaming lcd. i realy didnt realize that lag on the lcd until i looked at that comparison vid of the crt next to the lcd, i didnt realy notice ghosting but wow was the response lag a major issue in that video, even if its a half a second, id be long dead before my screen reacted to my mouse movement. anyway i realy appreciate the input guys, and from what i read the true sony branded fw900's are built in japan rather than the hp ones in mexico, if anyone knows if im incorrect please let me know

Unfortunately, I don't think I can be much help. I got my NEC Diamondtron in March, one of the last ones available (from Newegg, BTW.....perhaps you might want to poke around there.) This after trying two Dell 2001fps and sending both back due to poor blacks, excessive brightness, backlight bleeding (turn off your lights and set you screen to blank for a nice surprise, LOL), problems handling fast games like UT, and fixed resolution. I really hated the last issue and was only too pleased to get this NEC and dial in whatever resolution I want. I got lucky and decided to buy a new monitor just before CRT inventories were all but out. Perhaps you could call Sony or NEC directly and see if they can help you some way.

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: aggressor
Here is a video showing a CRT and a LCD hooked up to the same source during a game of Q3. You can very clearly see the lag of image on the LCD.

http://s88012115.onlinehome.us/TFTDelayBeweis.avi

It's one of the lesser known things about LCDs, I believe.

I agree in fact I noticed the same lag when I had a Dell 2001FP sitting next to my CRT,Theres also this video showing a 2405FPW & CRT side by side: http://media.putfile.com/Movie_0001914

Anyhow fern420 hope you like your FW900, if you get one in good shape you're going to love it, just remember it takes this monitor a good 25 minutes before the black levels are at peak levels, I thought it was just my particular monitor but basicly everyone Ive talked to with one has the same symptoms,after the first 25 minutes of warmup run the Image Restoration option found in the Color menu, you'l be suprised how much better it looks after this , I've only had to run it once (when I first bought it) and still looks superb.

 

[fern420]

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: aggressor
Here is a video showing a CRT and a LCD hooked up to the same source during a game of Q3. You can very clearly see the lag of image on the LCD.

http://s88012115.onlinehome.us/TFTDelayBeweis.avi

It's one of the lesser known things about LCDs, I believe.

I agree in fact I noticed the same lag when I had a Dell 2001FP sitting next to my CRT,Theres also this video showing a 2405FPW & CRT side by side: http://media.putfile.com/Movie_0001914

Anyhow fern420 hope you like your FW900, if you get one in good shape you're going to love it, just remember it takes this monitor a good 25 minutes before the black levels are at peak levels, I thought it was just my particular monitor but basicly everyone Ive talked to with one has the same symptoms,after the first 25 minutes of warmup run the Image Restoration option found in the Color menu, you'l be suprised how much better it looks after this , I've only had to run it once (when I first bought it) and still looks superb.

wow that lag is unbelivable on that 2405fp4, see i just cant have that, would cost me a lot in the stats counts. i went ahead and bought that one earlier today, good thing i did he only had 2 sonys left after i got mine and i see he just sold the last 2, all he has left are the hp's, heheh.

 

[agentbad]

ive read a bunch of reviews saying the HYUNDAI L90D+ doesn't ghost at all. i bought a dell 1905fp and it was returned within a week because it ghosted so bad. my thoughts are just like monitors have different refresh rates, peoples eyes refresh faster or slower than others. hence the difference between a sniper and a grunt.

 

[HighCalibreHooch]

Originally posted by: fern420
ok ive read and read every post in here on crt vrs lcd since its always better to read than post and make a fool of yourself, heheh. as a hardcore gamer, 5+ hours a day ive lead the fight against gaming on lcds since their conception, for me even the new veiwsonic 3ms screen just still has ghosting when your screaming though the air in a jet in BF2 or involved in a heavy ground battle where one shot can make the diffrence. im also using two 7800 gtx in SLI so a lcd just isnt gong to get my cards to "SHINE" the way they are ment to. ive been using a 21 inch trinitron for the last 4 years with no complaints but shes finaly kicking the bucket, cant blame her, she hasnt been turned off for 4 years, heheh. now ive been tryng to locate a diamond pro 2070SB, the big dog 21 incher that retailed for like 1200 bucks but i cant even find a used one on ebay anymore and sure wish i jumped on one 6 months ago. if anyone knows a where a refurb or used is available please speak up. that being said i can get ahold of the fw900 either refurbed or off lease, depending on witch i prefer but i had a couple questions for you guys. are the hp versions of this monitor, the A7217A assembeled in mexico? and if so are the sony name branded models assembeled in japan? and would you personaly go with a refurb or the nonrefurb used off lease? im always leary about cheap labor and i know most hp stuff is made in china, assembled in mexico, nothing against mexican labor but id kinda want my monitor comming from a factory where the guy made more than $1.50 an hour on the line and from what i understand the sony branded version were made in japan. ive also been watching the revewis on the new 2 ms benq lcd but wasnt to impressed when people still say they can see a hint of ghosting thats just not acceptable to me since im involved in seriious competition match play and every single shot needs to hit the mark. id just like to get your thoughts here on if the fw900, is it the screen to get for the hardcore gamer who just cant have ghosting at all and needs picture perfect color representation, considering i cant find the diamond pro anywhere. thanks for your time guys i relay appreciate your input, you guys a have a wonderfull community with some of the most informed posters ive ever seen so im eager to get your thoughts on my situation.

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That's easier to read than the OP actually.