Hardball with Bernie sanders

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feralkid

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Chris Matthews is a blowhard schmuck.

That's a poor way to preface an argument.

Had you seen him interviewing Greg Abbott regarding how a potential president Ted Cruz was supposed to get anything passed, you may have thought differently.

It's called "hardball" for a reason...he rapid-fires his guests with questions and doesn't let up, even if he likes the person.


"Blowhard"...perhaps.

"Schmuck"...I don't think so.

Why do you think he's so successful at getting interviews from both sides of the aisle? He's good.

Remember Larry King? Definite blowhard and kind of creepy as well, but the man knew how to do an interview.
 
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So what's worse:
Sanders getting into office and trying to implement his ideas
or
Clinton getting into office and continues to do the exact same thing as Bush & Obama

Seems like Sanders will bring at least a chance for substantial change, he'll also change the way we talk and look at the process, and if he gets absolutely nothing done, he'll be just as good as Hillary.
It's rather naive to treat Bush and Obama as enacting the same policies.
 

zinfamous

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Why does no one ever push Trump on the simple question of his actual plans? At least Bernie has a plan and policies. Trump has "some terrific ideas!"

People ask him about his plans, he yells at them and calls them names, and they back down.

what the fuck is that?
 
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So what's worse:
Sanders getting into office and trying to implement his ideas
or
Clinton getting into office and continues to do the exact same thing as Bush & Obama

Seems like Sanders will bring at least a chance for substantial change, he'll also change the way we talk and look at the process, and if he gets absolutely nothing done, he'll be just as good as Hillary.

Here is what's worse a split ticket between Hillary & Bernie then ending up with a Rubio type guy.
I will say I doubt Bernie would split the ticket but who knows for sure.
 

nickqt

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That's a poor way to preface an argument.

Had you seen him interviewing Greg Abbott regarding how a potential president Ted Cruz was supposed to get anything passed, you may have thought differently.

It's called "hardball" for a reason...he rapid-fires his guests with questions and doesn't let up, even if he likes the person.


"Blowhard"...perhaps.

"Schmuck"...I don't think so.

Why do you think he's so successful at getting interviews from both sides of the aisle? He's good.

Remember Larry King? Definite blowhard and kind of creepy as well, but the man knew how to do an interview.
Talking over your guests isn't hardball. It's being a blowhard schmuck.

I don't much care for the BothSidesDoIt™ media myself, but if you think Matthews is a super duper awesome interviewer, well, so be it.
 

fskimospy

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Talking over your guests isn't hardball. It's being a blowhard schmuck.

I don't much care for the BothSidesDoIt™ media myself, but if you think Matthews is a super duper awesome interviewer, well, so be it.

I agree that sometimes he talks over people, which is annoying. That being said, it's great to see an interviewer that doesn't let people off the hook so easily. I mean how many times have you seen something like this?

Interviewer: So your tax plan doesn't add up. Can you explain this?

Candidate: Absolutely! America America Freedom The American People Freedom USA.

Interviewer: Interesting answer. Moving on...

That's bullshit. While Matthews can be annoying I wish the average interviewer were more like him.
 
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^^^I agree Matthews is partisan but not too bad and he generally uses the same rapid fire questions to get an answer. Overall he is a good interviewer.
 

1prophet

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Anyone else watching this? Mathews is grilling Bernie, not on the issues but on how he will get things done. Bernie is failing miserably.

Every time Bernie brings up a talking point Mathews agrees and tells him it's a good point but then Mathews fires back, "how? How do you get it done?".


At least Bernie ain't bullshitting us like all the rest of them just to get elected.

Plan, what plan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIlzYD4tk78
 
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Trump is the best one. He took Jebs tax plan, increased every deduction to everyone. I can't remember the exact hole it left I think it was 9 trillion. He then states there will be no cuts in Social Security, Medicare will be increased and we'll have the greatest military which implies increased military spending. I read he would have to eliminate nearly every other Government expense and he'd barely cover the hole he blows in the budget.
 

hal2kilo

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Anyone else watching this? Mathews is grilling Bernie, not on the issues but on how he will get things done. Bernie is failing miserably.

Every time Bernie brings up a talking point Mathews agrees and tells him it's a good point but then Mathews fires back, "how? How do you get it done?".

He's so far up the ass of the DNC and Hilary it's pathetic. I watch mostly for comic relief. He has some weird facial expressions.
 

hal2kilo

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Sadly, voter turnout for dems this year isn't looking that great.

Hilary is soo compelling to vote for. Unfortunately, the alternatives are worse. That my biggest problem with Hilary or even Bernie running. They are not creating any excitement at all. Bernie's support looks huge until he actually runs in a caucus, or primary. Reminds me of Rand Paul internet supporters.

After all of the shenanigans, monkeyshines, rudeness, and behavior that's not normally excepted by adults, Trump still prevails. This country if F'd.
 

misle

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It's rather naive to treat Bush and Obama as enacting the same policies.

Bush was a war monger. Obama has the Affordable Care Act. Of course those are starkly different, but beyond that, I haven't seen much "change."
 

fskimospy

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Bush was a war monger. Obama has the Affordable Care Act. Of course those are starkly different, but beyond that, I haven't seen much "change."

Here's another change:

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ivwshane

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Hilary is soo compelling to vote for. Unfortunately, the alternatives are worse. That my biggest problem with Hilary or even Bernie running. They are not creating any excitement at all. Bernie's support looks huge until he actually runs in a caucus, or primary. Reminds me of Rand Paul internet supporters.

After all of the shenanigans, monkeyshines, rudeness, and behavior that's not normally excepted by adults, Trump still prevails. This country if F'd.

Sadly, elections aren't supposed to be about what's exciting, it's supposed to be a duty and a collection of informed citizens deciding who is the best person to take this country in the direction most of us want to go. This isn't supposed to be who is the coolest most popular person in school.
 

flexy

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Do you think Sanders would have MORE problems installing free tuition or whatever he proposed than Trump/Kasich pumping $1.3Tril into the military?

Where is the hardball questioning Trump or Kasich where the frack the $1.3Tril is supposed to be coming from and how this would be achieved (aside the very obvious question of the sense of it altogether)?

You guys really so insane that you see free tuition as "Utopia" but have no problem with $1.3Tril to build-up the already biggest military in the world?

- I guess for a hardcore Republicans it's just expected and considered normal, so Trump saying he wants to increase military spending or what Kasich proposed is "totally a-OK", no need to even question.
 
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Mxylplyx

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Chris Matthews is a blowhard schmuck.

He has access to a candidate who acknowledges the actual problems, and solutions require: 1. Sanders be the Nominee; 2. Sanders be elected President; 3. The House and Senate changes hands, with actual progressives / liberals / Democratic socialists elected.

Sanders has said this over and over. He alone can't accomplish what he wants to do, as neither HRC, nor any Republican, will be able to do what they want to do with the status quo makeup of Congress. And I don't see the Senate getting too much more Republican, so there's the 60 vote hurdle to pass anything, regardless of who occupies the White House.

Sanders requires more than election as President, and it's unlikely that he is able to get everything passed in 8 years, nevermind the first 2 years in which he's almost guaranteed to have a Republican House and at best a slightly-Democratic Senate.

He can say that, but it is irrelevant...unless the fact that only an all-powerful dictator is going to be able to accomplish what they want by sheer willpower alone is a permissible, acceptable answer. Of course Trump would just answer that he'll be able to get everything passed because he's such an unbelievable negotiator, and that he would be able to accomplish everything by sheer willpower alone....which is interesting, I guess.

This sounds awfully like the Republican strategy for governance, which is to put off all the nations business until their party achieves that super majority that is always surely coming in the next election. If your platform relies on stream rolling the political opposition, then you don't have a platform. The Republican majority in congress is not going anywhere any time soon unless the supreme court steps in and deals with the rampant gerrymandering that has cemented their hold in congress, so you either find a way to work with them or you dont get shit done. I think Sanders is by far the most principled and decent person in this race, but a Sanders presidency would be an absolute failure in the face of Republican opposition.
 

hal2kilo

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Sadly, elections aren't supposed to be about what's exciting, it's supposed to be a duty and a collection of informed citizens deciding who is the best person to take this country in the direction most of us want to go. This isn't supposed to be who is the coolest most popular person in school.

My comment has nothing to do with any of those attributes. So you are riled up to go to the polls for either of them?

I will vote, and unfortunately, probably for Clinton, but not because I'm enthused about her getting into office, the alternatives are just unspeakable.
 

werepossum

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I don't think he could get much of the things he wants done. But here's the rub; Hillary/Rubio/Cruz etc would get things done, but by "get things done" I mean funnel more tax payer money to the elite in the form of lucrative subsidies and government contracts while making up the difference by shortchanging infrastructure. The repubs would take it a step further by shifting funds from public education to the military. In short, things will get done but it will basically be limited to things that make life harder for the typical American.

Sanders prospects in contrast promise to give us no change one way or the other. He doesn't have the power to get the things he does want, but he DOES have Veto power to curb stomp the things the elite want, like more proxy wars and bullshit free trade policies.
Can't remember if you are the one who brought it up in the other thread, but that is the best argument for Bernie that I've heard. Not what he will do, but what he will stop.

One might say the same for Trump, except I don't think any of us really know what Trump would do, except bloviate.
 

zinfamous

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Can't remember if you are the one who brought it up in the other thread, but that is the best argument for Bernie that I've heard. Not what he will do, but what he will stop.

One might say the same for Trump, except I don't think any of us really know what Trump would do, except bloviate.

On day one, Trump would executive order 500billion dollars into fully un-restricted stem cell research....earmarked for hair replacement therapies only.
 

ivwshane

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My comment has nothing to do with any of those attributes. So you are riled up to go to the polls for either of them?

I will vote, and unfortunately, probably for Clinton, but not because I'm enthused about her getting into office, the alternatives are just unspeakable.

I don't get riled up, so yeah I'll be voting for either one. My comment was about the electorate in general and what it has turned to.
 

nickqt

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This sounds awfully like the Republican strategy for governance, which is to put off all the nations business until their party achieves that super majority that is always surely coming in the next election. If your platform relies on stream rolling the political opposition, then you don't have a platform. The Republican majority in congress is not going anywhere any time soon unless the supreme court steps in and deals with the rampant gerrymandering that has cemented their hold in congress, so you either find a way to work with them or you dont get shit done. I think Sanders is by far the most principled and decent person in this race, but a Sanders presidency would be an absolute failure in the face of Republican opposition.
You think Republicans are going to greenlight anything the "Hildabeast" proposes?

Again, Sanders has said, and I agree, that the only way that anything is able to move beyond the status quo, is if there is a political revolution that gets Sanders elected, with broad Democratic support in Congress.

That, actually, is the main thing that the US voter should take away from his campaign. We have the ability to change shit, but we have to stop voting for the same ol' shit. Sander's constant refrain about correcting economic inequality is basically just a broad goal that he, and a Democratic coalition, will work for, assuming the political revolution he says is required, actually occurs.

This is his appeal across party lines. He. Is. Honest.

To put it another way, HRC has basically no chance of enacting sweeping legislation, even as a center-right Democrat who is just a socially liberal 70s-era Republican.

And even Rubio-bot, Kasich, Jeb, Christie, etc, isn't going to be able to enact sweeping legislation, as the Republican party isn't likely going to get another 3-4 Senate seats in 2016, in which to overcome the new, Status-QuoApproved™ 60-vote hurdle to pass anything.

That Matthews is pointing at Sanders and saying, "how", is hilarious, because again it ignored the very main f-ing point of Sanders' campaign. He says it and says it and says it: A political revolution is absolutely necessary to accomplish anything at all.

Trump, though, is amazing, because he says that he will unilaterally perform miracles and do all sorts of things just by sheer willpower alone.

He is lying. Right to people's faces. And yet, somehow, people think that he is going to cause a political revolution, when he's lying about what he can do, and how he would accomplish it.

Trump and Sanders aren't just on two different wings of the political spectrum. Instead, they are both populists who have different relationships with veracity and reality.

One tells the truth - that the American people have to work to get him and allies elected, in order to get the change they want (a political revolution). Trump, on the other hand, is a Alpha-Conman, who promises to fix everything all by himself, without any work from the American people (a classic Strongman).

Sanders says it won't be easy, and it won't be immediate. Trump says just give him the power, and fucking boom bitches, America's Great Again. Just look at my bank account and my wife's tits...how can I be lying to you?
 
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shady28

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You think Republicans are going to greenlight anything the "Hildabeast" proposes?

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They absolutely will, right in lock step with the Dems.

It's exactly how we got NAFTA, and H1B visas.

That's what you get when you go with status quo. Lots more H1B / H2B vistas, and more NAFTA like deals.
 

ivwshane

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You think Republicans are going to greenlight anything the "Hildabeast" proposes?

Again, Sanders has said, and I agree, that the only way that anything is able to move beyond the status quo, is if there is a political revolution that gets Sanders elected, with broad Democratic support in Congress.

That, actually, is the main thing that the US voter should take away from his campaign. We have the ability to change shit, but we have to stop voting for the same ol' shit. Sander's constant refrain about correcting economic inequality is basically just a broad goal that he, and a Democratic coalition, will work for, assuming the political revolution he says is required, actually occurs.

This is his appeal across party lines. He. Is. Honest.

To put it another way, HRC has basically no chance of enacting sweeping legislation, even as a center-right Democrat who is just a socially liberal 70s-era Republican.

And even Rubio-bot, Kasich, Jeb, Christie, etc, isn't going to be able to enact sweeping legislation, as the Republican party isn't likely going to get another 3-4 Senate seats in 2016, in which to overcome the new, Status-QuoApproved™ 60-vote hurdle to pass anything.

That Matthews is pointing at Sanders and saying, "how", is hilarious, because again it ignored the very main f-ing point of Sanders' campaign. He says it and says it and says it: A political revolution is absolutely necessary to accomplish anything at all.

Trump, though, is amazing, because he says that he will unilaterally perform miracles and do all sorts of things just by sheer willpower alone.

He is lying. Right to people's faces. And yet, somehow, people think that he is going to cause a political revolution, when he's lying about what he can do, and how he would accomplish it.

Trump and Sanders aren't just on two different wings of the political spectrum. Instead, they are both populists who have different relationships with veracity and reality.

One tells the truth - that the American people have to work to get him and allies elected, in order to get the change they want (a political revolution). Trump, on the other hand, is a Alpha-Conman, who promises to fix everything all by himself, without any work from the American people (a classic Strongman).

Sanders says it won't be easy, and it won't be immediate. Trump says just give him the power, and fucking boom bitches, America's Great Again. Just look at my bank account and my wife's tits...how can I be lying to you?

When turnout among Democrats starts getting higher than it has ever been, let me know. When people like Eskimospy start voting, let me know. Until then, the answer is and has always been, throughout this country's history, slow, steady change, and COMPROMISE. When the garbage politicians in Congress, who think compromise is a dirty word, get thrown out, I'll get on board the revolution. Until then, I'll take the more practical route.
 

Mxylplyx

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When turnout among Democrats starts getting higher than it has ever been, let me know. When people like Eskimospy start voting, let me know. Until then, the answer is and has always been, throughout this country's history, slow, steady change, and COMPROMISE. When the garbage politicians in Congress, who think compromise is a dirty word, get thrown out, I'll get on board the revolution. Until then, I'll take the more practical route.

Agreed. Let's think back to the beginning of obamas presidency. He couldn't even publicly support gay marriage. My how things have changed. Slow, steady progress is the way to go. No reason to get in a rush.