Hard drive into 2 partions ??

[NewCompGeek]

ive done 1 of the partions (15gig out of 25) and that has an OS (win98se) but the second doesnt

CAN THIS BE DONE AT ALL?

OR THAT IS HOW IT IS SOPPOSED TO BE?

 

[Mavrick007]

What is it that you actually want to do? Make another partition? Put another OS on the second partition?

 

[Ausm]

Use Fdisk and create a logical Extended partition

AUsm

 

[NewCompGeek]

<<What is it that you actually want to do? Make another partition? Put another OS on the second partition? >>

I did make the second partion but i cant install win98se on it, no i want the same OS

<<Use Fdisk and create a logical Extended partition>>

i did do fdisk and make both of the partions but how do i install the same OS on it (win98se)??

 

[yg17]

use partition magic, it wont destroy your data

 

[bacillus]

<< i did do fdisk and make both of the partions but how do i install the same OS on it (win98se)?? >>


you only need to have win98 on C & not on both partitions.
if you so desire you could put another OS like win2k or XP on the unused partition or just use it for games, data,mp3......

 

[NewCompGeek]

<<you only need to have win98 on C & not on both partitions.
if you so desire you could put another OS like win2k or XP on the unused partition or just use it for games, data,mp3...... >>

so i cant put the same OS on both partions?

i want the second partion for backup files like games music and folders.

if my primarly partion messes up and i have to reformat does my secondary partion get reformated also?

can i still transfer my stuff to the new partion ?? without having an OS on my secondary?

 

[Derango]

Win9x/ME will only install on the first FAT formatted partition on the system. You can have a partition without an OS. Just put your games and stuff on it instead of the partition you installed windows on. Your second partiton will still be there if you have to reformat, but if the hard drive crashes, both partitions are gone. You can put an OS on both partitions if you wanted...just not two copies of win98, because windows9x/ME was not designed to do somthing like that. If you were installing XP, you could put a different copy of XP on each partition...Why you would want to is beyond me...

Your second partition should show up as another drive letter in windows...so just copy whatever you want to store on it over to that drive letter.

 

[NewCompGeek]

the reason why is i dont have a burner and i need a way to backup my files.

so if the first partion messes up the second partion will aslo mess up?

THE SECOND PARTION IS FOR MY IMPORTANT BACKUP FILES

 

[samgau]

You Can have 2 installations of Win98se... you will just have to use a boot loader in order to switch between them.... personally I have not tried two instances of the same OS... i've done win98/linux and win2000/win98.... but as long as you use a boot loader I think you should be fine....

 

[flexy]

<<
if my primarly partion messes up and i have to reformat does my secondary partion get reformated also?

can i still transfer my stuff to the new partion ?? without having an OS on my secondary? >>




ehrm...

ok..if you ask such questions i'd highly recommend stay away from ANY partitioning (I dont mean it in a bad way)

I spent the last 2 days setting up a dual boot (XP <> 98) and moving around partitions with PartitionMagic Pro7.0/ Multiple primaries/Partition hiding etc...and it was a pain in the a$$...not necessareliy something i want to do every day...

If you really HAVE TO deal with partitions..then please ONLY with partitionmagic....anyway i still wont recommend doing it if you're not at least familiar with the basics..eg. formatting partitions etc....

* You need only ONE OS of course....on C:.... you can have OTHER partitions/drives.....D:, E:, F:.....you do not need an OS on them to access the data.

The partitions then are available as logical drives..eg. you have 98 on C:, and then it looks like you have some more drives D:, E:, whatever...depending on how many partitions you created.


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Win9x/ME will only install on the first FAT formatted partition on the system.
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hehehe...that's not true With PartitionMagic you can create multiple primaries, set them active and hide another.
I have my 98/SE partition (since i switched to XP Pro) back on the END of the HD....it's a primary drive C: <--- on the very end

When i activate the FIRST (XP) partition (and HIDE the other C: )...then the partition at the beginning of my HD gets active and becomes "C:" <--- this is my fast partition in the front which is for XP )

Anyway partiton hiding and related is (afaik) only supported by partitionmagic/pqboot and some boot managers....FDISK tho does ACTIVATE a desired partition, but it does not HIDE the other one...so you NEED some more advanced tools...mandatory.....glad i got PM7.0.

Edit:

if you format a drive/partition C: then of course it doesnt affect your E: or D:, it's almost like having separate harddisks...the main purpose of having more partitions. For doing backups....and in case one partition gets hosed you have a backup on the other....or multiple OS on different partitions etc.....getting everything a bit more organized instead of having all on ONE big big partition.
I always have one around 12 gig partition on the very end of my HD (slower than in front) which is a storage/backup partition with stuff which usually isnt accesed all the time.

I'd recommend (i do, idont know about other setups) like a 3 gig partition C: on front for the 98/SE system (4gig for XP), then a bigger (15/20Gig or so) partition D: with all your programs and Data....and the last partition like 10gig for storage and backup. (More partitions for things like multi boot/multi OS etc...)



greets

 

[flexy]

<< You Can have 2 installations of Win98se... you will just have to use a boot loader in order to switch between them.... personally I have not tried two instances of the same OS... i've done win98/linux and win2000/win98.... but as long as you use a boot loader I think you should be fine.... >>



well..could get complicated...i asked on some newsgroups...eg. 98/SE expects some files always on C: (that's what i was told, eg. msdos.sys, io.sys etc.)....meaning you would need TWO primary C: drives....which automatically means that you have to do advanced stuff like hiding the one partition C: from the other etc...

I dont know if it actually would be possible to install 98 on D:...i'd say no.... (?)...XP works fine on D:.....but i didnt like it...repartitioned my HD and did a new install of XP on a second C: now

 

[AU Tiger]

i want the second partion for backup files like games music and folders.

if my primarly partion messes up and i have to reformat does my secondary partion get reformated also?

can i still transfer my stuff to the new partion ?? without having an OS on my secondary?



I would recommend a second hard drive for backup purposes. A second partition will work fine if all you need is to reformat the first, but if the hard drive has a hardware failure then you will most likely lose both partitions.

EDIT: I also think that Win9X operating systems require that they are installed in the first 2048 cylinders of the hard drive. That it why it must be on C:. The number of cylinders may not be correct, but I recall that there is a limit.

 

[tenoc]

Right now, apparently, you have C: drive and D: drive. there is no need to install
an OS on D if all you want it for is storage.

You can format C without destoying the data on D, but you would lose the linkages
from the OS that was on C to your stuff on D.

Is that what you were asking?

 

[NewCompGeek]

<<I would recommend a second hard drive for backup purposes. A second partition will work fine if all you need is to reformat the first, but if the hard drive has a hardware failure then you will most likely lose both partitions. >>

thats the best answer i have read so far. thats EXACTLY what i want to to BACKUP MY FILES
Right now, apparently, you have C: drive and D: drive. there is no need to install
an OS on D if all you want it for is storage.

<<You can format C without destoying the data on D, but you would lose the linkages
from the OS that was on C to your stuff on D.

Is that what you were asking?>>

i dont know what you mean by linkages, I thought that having a secondary partion with my backup files would work just in case of my primary c: had a hardware problem.

but i guess that BOTH partions would be affected right?

 

[cleverhandle]

<< <<You can format C without destoying the data on D, but you would lose the linkages
from the OS that was on C to your stuff on D.

Is that what you were asking?>>

i dont know what you mean by linkages, I thought that having a secondary partion with my backup files would work just in case of my primary c: had a hardware problem.

but i guess that BOTH partions would be affected right? >>



OK, first of all, if your first partition (c has a "hardware problem" then most likely the whole drive will fail, including the second partition (d. What the second partition would do is give you some storage space that would be untouched if you were to, say, wipe your Win98 installation to clean out the junk that accumulates in there over time. That's not really a "hardware problem" per se.

As for "linkages," I think tenoc means that if, for example, the OS were on c: but you installed a game to d:/program files/gametitle, you would have registry entries and other windows references on c: referring to files on d:. That's kind of bad, because if you wipe c:, any programs you installed to d: probably wouldn't work properly, if at all.

So you don't want to actually install a program to the second partition. But you can store *static* data there just fine - stuff like MP3's, backups of downloaded drivers, pr0n, etc. That kind of data doesn't require any modification to the OS files on c:.

But, um... flexy has a point, especially if your data is important - you need to learn a lot more about disk management and this may not be the best way to do so. I would suggest shelling out the money for a burner.

 

[NewCompGeek]

<<OK, first of all, if your first partition (c has a "hardware problem" then most likely the whole drive will fail, including the second partition (d. What the second partition would do is give you some storage space that would be untouched if you were to, say, wipe your Win98 installation to clean out the junk that accumulates in there over time. That's not really a "hardware problem" per se.

As for "linkages," I think tenoc means that if, for example, the OS were on c: but you installed a game to d:/program files/gametitle, you would have registry entries and other windows references on c: referring to files on d:. That's kind of bad, because if you wipe c:, any programs you installed to d: probably wouldn't work properly, if at all.

So you don't want to actually install a program to the second partition. But you can store *static* data there just fine - stuff like MP3's, backups of downloaded drivers, pr0n, etc. That kind of data doesn't require any modification to the OS files on c:.

But, um... flexy has a point, especially if your data is important - you need to learn a lot more about disk management and this may not be the best way to do so. I would suggest shelling out the money for a burner. >>

OMG THANK YOU AT LEAST SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!

i guess ill just use my 4.3 gig hdd or borrow a burner