*Happy Hanukkah*
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i'll give both of you that it's spelled "hanukkah" in 'english' because americans don't know how to pronounce the "ch"
when i said "it's also really spelled 'chanukah'," it was to imply that it is spelled that way if you actually know how to pronunce it that way.
wikipedia is actually incorrect when it says that the word is "transliterated to english as ... hanukkah" - but under the circumstances of english-speakers unable to use the phlegmy "ch" sound, this point does have some credibility.
i actually hate the "hanukkah" spelling because it is an ignorant pronunciation.
when i said "it's also really spelled 'chanukah'," it was to imply that it is spelled that way if you actually know how to pronunce it that way.
wikipedia is actually incorrect when it says that the word is "transliterated to english as ... hanukkah" - but under the circumstances of english-speakers unable to use the phlegmy "ch" sound, this point does have some credibility.
i actually hate the "hanukkah" spelling because it is an ignorant pronunciation.
MotionMan
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You can spell it any way you want and still pronounce it correctly. Some would say the "ch" like the "ch" in "change" instead of the correct pronunciation. Obviously, others read the "h" as the "h" in "happy". The truth lies somewhere in between.
MotionMan
i disagree. it's still an issue of people not knowing how to pronounce the "CH" sound.
hanukkah = secular
chanukah = religious
i am religious, and therefore i spell and pronounce it that way.
i guess, then, it's an issue of observance level. in that case, you are right. but i still am frustrated by the less-informed spelling.
MotionMan
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You have GOT to be kidding me? You think that the way one spells a Hebrew word in transliterated English has something to do with one's level of observance?
I have heard "observant" Jews (including family and close friends) say some crazy things, but that has got to top them all.
MotionMan
maybe not. you must know much more. let me get to my next post... maybe your education will/can speak louder than mine.
Originally posted by: JohnCU
i'm sorry to offend anyone, but i have one jewish friend close to me and wanted to have a jewish holiday thread on ATOT and he spells it hanukkah.
john- fair enough. here's my impression, and this has always been a gripe of mine, so i might as well get it out in the open.
there are far too few jews who actually take jewish identity seriously. judaism is far more advanced than celebrating a few holidays. it is a religion. there's prayer. there's dietary restrictions. there's another language. there's a lunar calendar. there's a day of rest (sabbath - where you don't use electricity among other things). above all, there's education.
i am happy that people embrace the little judaism they have in their lives, but what disturbs me the most is when i am constantly challenged by my jewish coworkers or peers who are always asking me to do that which is different from the normal "observances" that i keep, like being online on the holiest days of the year. those kinds of impositions often stem from a lack of education, which is disturbing in a world where religion is not valued as much anymore in many of these households beyond an 8 day holiday and a song by adam sandler.
as much as i try to say this is who i am and this is how i behave, i always am faced with individuals who try to change me to a more "secular" world, because observances that i keep are too old, too traditional, or not appropriate for a more modern world (if you want some reading material, look up the 39 melachot -- or you might spell it melahot -- and find out why computers aren't allowed on the sabbath).
motionman: your background may be the same as mine. it may be different than mine. however, go to a regular hallmark store and look for "hanukkah" cards. then go to religious judaica gift shop and look for "hanukkah" cards. count the number of cards in both stores and compare.
maybe what i say is crazy, but i'm not sure it's very off from the truth.
Originally posted by: tami
Originally posted by: JohnCU
i'm sorry to offend anyone, but i have one jewish friend close to me and wanted to have a jewish holiday thread on ATOT and he spells it hanukkah.
john- fair enough. here's my impression, and this has always been a gripe of mine, so i might as well get it out in the open.
there are far too few jews who actually take jewish identity seriously. judaism is far more advanced than celebrating a few holidays. it is a religion. there's prayer. there's dietary restrictions. there's another language. there's a lunar calendar. there's a day of rest (sabbath - where you don't use electricity among other things). above all, there's education.
i am happy that people embrace the little judaism they have in their lives, but what disturbs me the most is when i am constantly challenged by my jewish coworkers or peers who are always asking me to do that which is different from the normal "observances" that i keep, like being online on the holiest days of the year. those kinds of impositions often stem from a lack of education, which is disturbing in a world where religion is not valued as much anymore in many of these households beyond an 8 day holiday and a song by adam sandler.
as much as i try to say this is who i am and this is how i behave, i always am faced with individuals who try to change me to a more "secular" world, because observances that i keep are too old, too traditional, or not appropriate for a more modern world (if you want some reading material, look up the 39 melachot -- or you might spell it melahot -- and find out why computers aren't allowed on the sabbath).
motionman: your background may be the same as mine. it may be different than mine. however, go to a regular hallmark store and look for "hanukkah" cards. then go to religious judaica gift shop and look for "hanukkah" cards. count the number of cards in both stores and compare.
maybe what i say is crazy, but i'm not sure it's very off from the truth.
Please, shhhh. You are embarrasing us Jews!
Originally posted by: tami
aw
but apparently i said a crazy thing.
It's possible it was a bit much for ATOT. Now over at chabadtalk.com (or habadtalk.com, right?)...
Originally posted by: swimscubasteve
Originally posted by: tami
aw
but apparently i said a crazy thing.
It's possible it was a bit much for ATOT. Now over at chabadtalk.com (or habadtalk.com, right?)...
too much info = sometimes good.
ATOT is more fun.
it's my comic relief.
i also don't come here that often anymore so when i do, i need to leave with a BANG!
habadtalk.com... wonder if that domain is registered... maybe it will be profitable to buy that one
SmoochyTX
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Purposely getting people riled up on tonight of all nights about religion is pretty sad. I didn't take you for that kind of AT member Tami.Originally posted by: tami
Originally posted by: swimscubasteve
Originally posted by: tami
aw
but apparently i said a crazy thing.
It's possible it was a bit much for ATOT. Now over at chabadtalk.com (or habadtalk.com, right?)...
too much info = sometimes good.
ATOT is more fun.
it's my comic relief.
i also don't come here that often anymore so when i do, i need to leave with a BANG!
habadtalk.com... wonder if that domain is registered... maybe it will be profitable to buy that one
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