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Hannes Alvfén --- Plasma specialist.

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WG, I got the same thing, and that is what I always think about when I look at the GEQ on something like WinAmp, but it is still hard to picture physically, as an object.

Foirier itself was the line though, there were others that went further, and this is coming from me, a Math Science Engineering (Civil) "student" from times past. Imagine what it is like for people that are not as keyed into it.....

*shrug*

I fail to see your disconnect with fourier transforms 😛

Apparently we can find the solution to a lot of PDEs with sinusoids. FFTs take your gibberish signal and turn them into a summation of sinusoids. Put the sinusoids into the system, sum the output, profit? If your disconnect is how the FFT actually does what it does to produce the results you see when you transform a signal, I think I wrote up something concise in another thread.
 
I was doing some reading on new research about the universe and i learned about this shining young lad : Jacob Barnett. I wonder what the future of science will bring when the math prodigy (12 years old, who also dares to question standing theories already and has the ability to fully grasp the mathematics) reaches his "momentum"...

EDIT :

Woops, forgot to mention he has been tested for an IQ of 170.
And i lost the link for a second but here it is :

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011103200369

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42184739
 
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I was doing some reading on new research about the universe and i learned about this shining young lad : Jacob Barnett. I wonder what the future of science will bring when the math prodigy (12 years old, who also dares to question standing theories already and has the ability to fully grasp the mathematics) reaches his "momentum"...

EDIT :

Woops, forgot to mention he has been tested for an IQ of 170.
And i lost the link for a second but here it is :

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011103200369

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42184739
holy crap! IQ of 170. doctorate level math and physics skills. pondering several known unsolved problems whose solutions are worthy of the Nobel Prize. working on a more complete theory of Relativity. and working on an alternative to the Big Bang theory...the next Einstein perhaps?
 
Was thinking about how black holes form in relation to galaxies and when thinking about gravity, magnetic fields and electric fields in plasma in space.

Then found this news article :

Galaxies and black holes are always found together never separate.
The great question was and still is who was first ?
It seems that according to text below, galaxies and black holes always form together.

Imagine this :
If we would take the electric fields and magnetic fields in hot plasma and the gravitation field together, it seems possible to create the formation of a galaxy around a virtual center.

This would explain for the classical gravitational view that something heavy must exist at the center and that galaxies and black holes form together according to this research.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=baby-black-holes

It's the source of a long-standing cosmological quandary. Galaxies or black holes: Which came first? Today, they exist as neatly matched pairs, a black hole nested in the heart of a swirling galaxy, but it seems possible that the growth of one drove the growth of the other. By peering deep into the early universe, astronomers have edged ever closer to an answer. But they did not identify a leader of this cosmic tango, as galaxies and black holes appear to have matched each other step for step as early as a billion years after the universe began. Perhaps, then, they simply developed in tandem.

"This chicken-and-egg problem of what was there first, the galaxy or the black hole, has been pushed all the way to the edge of the universe," Yale University astrophysicist Kevin Schawinski said in a June 15 press conference at NASA Headquarters in Washington, D.C.

Schawinski was part of a team of researchers that used two renowned orbiting observatories, the Hubble Space Telescope and the Chandra X-Ray Observatory, to identify a population of black holes in galaxies at redshift 6, which corresponds to a time about 950 million years after the big bang. (Redshift is a measure of cosmological distance; higher redshifts indicate greater distances and hence earlier epochs in the universe's development.) Even at that early time, the density of black holes in space indicates that galaxies and black holes were regulating each other's development. The researchers reported their findings in the June 16 issue of Nature. (Scientific American is part of Nature Publishing Group.)

"What our observations of galaxies in the early universe tells us is these very early young galaxies at the dawn of the universe and their growing baby black holes already had some deep fundamental connection between them," Schawinski said. "They were already growing together."

Peering so deep into the universe requires extremely long-duration exposures, even on sensitive spaceborne telescopes. The researchers drew on deep x-ray imagery from Chandra, built up over four million seconds (46 days) of telescope exposure time, to identify the ancient black holes. (For although black holes are dark, the regions around them glow brightly in x-rays as infalling matter compresses and heats up.) But even with the benefit of that prolonged look, the individual black holes were not visible as points in the Chandra images.

So the researchers tried a different tack. They located galaxies in ultra-deep field Hubble photographs—in visible light and infrared—of the same region of sky and pinpointed where those galaxies ought to be in the Chandra image. By stacking all of those points on top of one another, the researchers combined the faint x-ray glow from the heart of hundreds of galaxies, which were undetectable individually, into a brighter aggregate (see photo inset). Even if the properties of individual black holes remained opaque, perhaps their collective properties would tell the story of black hole activity at that epoch.

In the stacked images of galaxies that existed 950 million years after the big bang, the x-ray emissions from black holes indeed became readily apparent, especially in higher-energy x-rays. (For older, even more distant galaxies, the researchers were not able to see black hole activity as clearly, but they did set upper limits on x-ray luminosity.) The skew toward high-energy x-rays indicates that the black holes were heavily shrouded by dust and gas, through which only the most energetic radiation could pass.

That obscuration means that black holes could have grown more rapidly early on than had been thought possible, because their volatile behavior would have been kept in check by the surrounding gas and dust. Turbulent, unchecked black hole growth in the ancient universe would have left marks on the intergalactic medium that astronomers have not observed. "But what these new results show is that black holes were protected, they were enshrouded in a cocoon of dust that dampened the effect that they had on their surroundings," said Mitchell Begelman of the University of Colorado at Boulder, who did not contribute to the new study. That dampening, he said, means that "these black holes could have grown quite early without having a dramatic and unobserved effect on the universe."

Just how those early black holes appeared in the first place remains unresolved. "It is pretty clear that you first make small seed black holes in the early universe, and over cosmic time, by swallowing gas in their vicinity, they grow," said study co-author Priya Natarajan, a Yale astrophysicist. "How precisely you form seed black holes is an open-ended question." One possibility is that seed black holes grew out of the demise of the earliest stars; another explanation is that gaseous pre-galactic disks gravitationally collapsed to create nascent black holes. Both possibilities are broadly consistent with the new black hole observations. "Of course a lot more data is needed before we can adjudicate between these two models," Natarajan said.
 
There doesn't seem to be any evidence for the existence of large (or even small) magnetic fields in the early universe. Surely, magnetic fields do play a role in the formation of some large astrophysical objects, but you need a way to create them first.

Your current method of scientific investigation is not a very good one. No offense. Right now you are trying to find evidence for a model you wish to be true, and ignore the vast amount of evidence to the contrary....sort of reminds me of another similar philosophy...

Do a bit of research into induction vs. deduction and see what I'm getting at here. Aristotle vs. Kant vs. Bacon vs. Gaileio

(Tip, Aristotle is bad for science)
 
There doesn't seem to be any evidence for the existence of large (or even small) magnetic fields in the early universe. Surely, magnetic fields do play a role in the formation of some large astrophysical objects, but you need a way to create them first.

Your current method of scientific investigation is not a very good one. No offense. Right now you are trying to find evidence for a model you wish to be true, and ignore the vast amount of evidence to the contrary....sort of reminds me of another similar philosophy...

Do a bit of research into induction vs. deduction and see what I'm getting at here. Aristotle vs. Kant vs. Bacon vs. Gaileio

(Tip, Aristotle is bad for science)

There is no objective evidence for other models either. It is circumstantial, indirect. It does not prove or disprove anything at all. When you only want to look into 1 direction, that is all you are going to see. I do not wish anything to be true. I have nothing to gain no matter what the end result is. That is the big difference. I have no plans of becoming a great figure in science. If i wish anything at all, i wish that objective research once again becomes more important then making headlines by data massage.

I know what you mean about induction and deduction. I care for history, but not much for historical figures who have been hyped.

Accepting Kant is to be self limiting. Dumbing yourself down.
Bacon is useful. Especially today in a lot of your fields of science where mathematics and data massage is more important then doing research.
Galileo was ridiculed as well (when compared to Hannes Alfven not me )and the only reason he was not put to death at the time for his "heresy" was because he was important.
Aristotle, i may seem to be similar when it seems i draw conclusions but am i drawing conclusions ? That is the interesting part.

But since you claim there is no evidence for magnetic fields, i am interested in the evidence. I truly believe in the feedback mechanism of objective research. Meaning here that what a researcher finds is not what that researcher wish to find, because that would be subjective research. I mean that the data represents a situation that must be explained and the model corrected if needed.
 
Which models, in particular, do you feel don't have objective evidence for?

I don't know the plasma view of cosmology very well, but I'm sure if you give me a specific prediction from it, it can be disproved with a few modern observations.

As for magnetic fields, it's my area of research, but I'm a theorist not an observer. It's not to say that its impossible for intergalactic magnetic fields to have existed in the early universe, we simply have no observational evidence of any. The only place I can think of looking would be in the CMB, perhaps Zeeman measurements?

In the low redshift universe, there are galactic fields, but they are relatively weak.

About the philosophy, all except Aristotle seem to be ok for scientific work. Baconian is less useful than you think, its hard to get funding with that approach.
 
Which models, in particular, do you feel don't have objective evidence for?

I don't know the plasma view of cosmology very well, but I'm sure if you give me a specific prediction from it, it can be disproved with a few modern observations.

As for magnetic fields, it's my area of research, but I'm a theorist not an observer. It's not to say that its impossible for intergalactic magnetic fields to have existed in the early universe, we simply have no observational evidence of any. The only place I can think of looking would be in the CMB, perhaps Zeeman measurements?

In the low redshift universe, there are galactic fields, but they are relatively weak.

About the philosophy, all except Aristotle seem to be ok for scientific work. Baconian is less useful than you think, its hard to get funding with that approach.

I know, would the world not be a better place if the mentality would be to understand the world ? If the world is made by a god or god or no god at all is not important. If the mindset would be not to achieve great power but to find answers through the scientific method in order to improve life. To come closer to the question that we always need to ask : "What is the purpose of life ?".

To return to the subject of evidence. Now do you see that an open mind makes life more easy ? Because in the back of your mind, you knew there is no evidence for such a claim. When accepting that, the universe becomes more promising. No matter what the end result will be. The universe has a lot more secrets to give up than arrogant men and women claim to have found.
Staying humble, where have i read that before...
 
There is an interesting concept called the Truth scale, a continuous scale of how true a model is. A good way to think about it is, "How much would you be willing to bet that a certain claim is true".

Something like Newton's Laws: Your life (you do anytime you've flown).
Quantum Mechanics: Probably the same
Dark Matter/Energy: A case of beer?
Tachyons, time travel, warp drives etc.: A penny?
(Random piece of pseudoscience): I'll take your bet

Most things that you hear about in the media live somewhere in the middle on this scale.
 
Newtons law's : i will say these are laws here on earth where gravity is not fluctuating. Out there in space, these are still laws but need a bit of compensation.

Quantum mechanics and all the rest : not a penny.

I do think that calling the wave theory of Louis de Broglie pseudoscience is stretching the truth a lot.
 
Re: Newton's Laws - As far as we can tell, physics is the same here as it is everywhere else (out to voyager at least), if you have any piece of evidence to suggest otherwise....
You might as well say that magical unicorns live in space and mess with gravity.

Quantum mechanics - When I say quantum mechanics, I really mean QED, QCD, Standard model etc - If you can provide a test for which this model is wrong, you would have MANY people interested. Are you suggesting that if you were told you needed a PET scan you wouldn't trust the results because you don't think QM is correct? Your LCD monitor? Your CRT monitor?

de Broglie's wave theory is a part of quantum mechanics, and is experimentally verified. I think you may have taken a leap in your interpretation of it, or what it means.

Here is another way to calibrate this scale, how difficult is it to find an observation to discredit it?
Say, flat earth theory (yes there are people who believe this). Try it for all the things on that list.
 
Sigh...

a PET scan works because of pure acquired knowledge about how capture em waves work. Em waves (gamma radiation range) are captured by a scintillator. After much calculations, a picture arises. The reason why it is called a PET scanner is because the theory behind the generation of the gamma rays. Namely positron electron annihilation is the theory behind it. Do i deny that an opposite of an electron can exist ? No, there is no logical reason that there can be no symmetry.
The reason why the PET scanner works is because of the tremendous amount of knowledge about how EM waves operate in certain conditions. In this case, by empirical evidence in the lab that the paths of the two photons go in opposite directions. How was this discovered ? Was it a cloud chamber ?
Was it an experimental setup with lots of scintillators and photo detectors ?
That is my question that i ask you. Can you provide me with the answer ? I do not want to read that it was theorized. I want to read about the first discovery of the 2 gamma rays flying of in the opposite direction. You would make me very happy. ^_^.

I will make it myself easy and use the wikipage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positr...calization_of_the_positron_annihilation_event

Localization of the positron annihilation event

The most significant fraction of electron-positron decays result in two 511 keV gamma photons being emitted at almost 180 degrees to each other; hence, it is possible to localize their source along a straight line of coincidence (also called the line of response, or LOR). In practice, the LOR has a finite width as the emitted photons are not exactly 180 degrees apart. If the resolving time of the detectors is less than 500 picoseconds rather than about 10 nanoseconds, it is possible to localize the event to a segment of a chord, whose length is determined by the detector timing resolution. As the timing resolution improves, the signal-to-noise ratio (SNR) of the image will improve, requiring fewer events to achieve the same image quality. This technology is not yet common, but it is available on some new systems.[12]
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Image reconstruction using coincidence statistics

A technique much like the reconstruction of computed tomography (CT) and single-photon emission computed tomography (SPECT) data is more commonly used, although the data set collected in PET is much poorer than CT, so reconstruction techniques are more difficult (see Image reconstruction of PET).

Using statistics collected from tens-of-thousands of coincidence events, a set of simultaneous equations for the total activity of each parcel of tissue along many LORs can be solved by a number of techniques, and, thus, a map of radioactivities as a function of location for parcels or bits of tissue (also called voxels), may be constructed and plotted. The resulting map shows the tissues in which the molecular tracer has become concentrated, and can be interpreted by a nuclear medicine physician or radiologist in the context of the patient's diagnosis and treatment plan.



With respect to my remark about Newtons laws not always working in space,
You better ask mr Einstein about general relativity.
It is a proven fact that Einstein finally explained.
Were you hoping that i would deny the existence of gravity ?

I again will make it myself easy and request wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitation

In 1687, English mathematician Sir Isaac Newton published Principia, which hypothesizes the inverse-square law of universal gravitation. In his own words, “I deduced that the forces which keep the planets in their orbs must [be] reciprocally as the squares of their distances from the centers about which they revolve: and thereby compared the force requisite to keep the Moon in her Orb with the force of gravity at the surface of the Earth; and found them answer pretty nearly.”[3]

Newton's theory enjoyed its greatest success when it was used to predict the existence of Neptune based on motions of Uranus that could not be accounted for by the actions of the other planets. Calculations by both John Couch Adams and Urbain Le Verrier predicted the general position of the planet, and Le Verrier's calculations are what led Johann Gottfried Galle to the discovery of Neptune.

A discrepancy in Mercury's orbit pointed out flaws in Newton's theory. By the end of the 19th century, it was known that its orbit showed slight perturbations that could not be accounted for entirely under Newton's theory, but all searches for another perturbing body (such as a planet orbiting the Sun even closer than Mercury) had been fruitless. The issue was resolved in 1915 by Albert Einstein's new theory of general relativity, which accounted for the small discrepancy in Mercury's orbit.

Although Newton's theory has been superseded, most modern non-relativistic gravitational calculations are still made using Newton's theory because it is a much simpler theory to work with than general relativity, and gives sufficiently accurate results for most applications involving sufficiently small masses, speeds and energies.

Thus my claim was correct.


When it comes to magnetic fields and electric fields in an evenly distributed plasma, have you not ever done a computer simulation ? I wonder what would happen. Because i get a strong feeling that there would be a re-arranging of matter. The density would be locally less here and a bit more there. Lumpy it would get, i think. You are a plasma theorist yes ?
It is just for the understanding.
 
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I decided to help you out about the gamma rays resulting from the annihilation :


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chung-Yao_Chao

Chung-Yao Chao (simplified Chinese: 赵忠尧; traditional Chinese: 趙忠堯; pinyin: Zhào Zhōngyáo; Wade–Giles: Chao Chung-yao; 27 June 1902 – 28 May 1998) was a Chinese physicist. Chung-Yao Chao studied the scattering of gamma rays in lead by pair production in 1930, without knowing that positrons were involved in the anomalously high scattering cross-section. When the positron was discovered by Carl David Anderson in 1932, confirming the existence of Paul Dirac's "antimatter", it became clear that positrons could explain Chung-Yao Chao's earlier experiments, with the gamma rays being emitted from electron-positron annihilation.

He entered Nanjing Higher Normal School (later renamed National Southeastern University, National Central University and Nanjing University), in 1920 and earned a B.S. in physics in 1925. Then he earned a Ph.D. degree in physics under supervision of Nobel Prize laureate Robert Andrews Millikan at the California Institute of Technology in 1930. Later he went back to China and joined the physics faculty of Tsinghua University in Beijing.
 
I can remember that one day i was reading some media article where was claimed that the led was the result of quantum mechanics... 😱
The laser led, or just the led is also often claimed as a result from theories.
This is not true, electroluminescence was discovered by accident by a British inventor Henry Joseph Round in 1907 when he was doing research on carborundum, aka silicon carbide. Oleg Vladimirovich Losev from Russia independently discovered the electroluminescence from carborundum crystals but nothing was done with the information in the USSR. The first usable led was created by Nick Holonyak in 1962 who was working for General Electric Company. He also created the very first laser led.
After that, a lot of hard work comprised of trial and error , going back to the drawing board and try again resulted in the advancements as we know today.
 
You've got it backwards again. The model is based off of the observations and the inability of classical physics to explain the phenomenon. This is completely analogous to GR, Newton's laws work great for our everyday life, GR has its place in extreme environments -- but its also a paradigm shift in the way we think about space time.

A good example of a prediction from quantum mechanics would be the dynamic casimir effect that was just posted not too long ago, how about the EPR paradox. Take your pick, I'm confident that whatever you throw at QM it will come out ahead. If not, I can pretty well guarantee there is a nobel prize waiting for the person who can prove the model is wrong.

At the very least, its close -- very close -- to the real answer. At this stage, the real answer would be much like GR was to Newton.

Anyhow, if you care to really dig into this debate about plasma cosmology, head over to physics forums I think they have a whole section devoted to debunking this particular strain.

If you have any specific complaint about the correctness of quantum mechanics (aside from your gut), PLEASE voice them!
 
I doubt i have it backwards. I look at the chronological data of each event as well and i keep track of independent research. And you are now avoiding what i have written. This is exactly what i mean. I have not stated anything wrong. I merely have history on my side.

For example because man kind has meticulously mapped behavior of all elements, patterns from that data emerge. These patterns allow for mathematical models to be created so that predictions can be made. But it is always first empirical evidence. Then the mathematical model is developed and fine tuned. That is the reason why the industry has come this far as we know it. By meticulously archiving measurement results and then comparing, finding out patterns and create mathematical models or improving existing ones. It should not be the other way around : Creating a mathematical model and then cherry picking data to make sure that funds or headlines arise.

There is no physics forum on AT besides highly technical.
The physics forum i think you are writing about is a bit to extreme for me. Or blind followers calling names and are doing a google race or people who see the secrets of the universe in tea leaves. I will pass. I read that forum, there would only be attacks and no co-operation for as far as i read the threads.
 
There is no physics forum on AT besides highly technical.
The physics forum i think you are writing about is a bit to extreme for me. Or blind followers calling names and are doing a google race or people who see the secrets of the universe in tea leaves. I will pass. I read that forum, there would only be attacks and no co-operation for as far as i read the threads.
i believe the boards he's referring to is Physics Forums. and while Physics Forums has its fair share of trolls, nay-sayers, conspiracy theorists, pseudo-scientists with their own wild theories, etc. (just like any other message board on the internet, whether it be an PC hardware forum, an automotive forum, home & garden forum, etc.), its online community is far more geared toward the sciences than the AT Highly Technical sub-forum. as such, you'll find a broader range of minds eager to engage you in your topic of interest. there's also a positive side to their forums as well that makes the site quite resourceful, and those resources come in the form of grad students, post-docs, professors, and more. you obviously care enough about your topics of interest to post about them here, despite some of the outrageous, outlandish responses that show up regularly in AT HT, so why not post up at Physics Forums, and just weed through the responses, separating those with useful content from those that are useless?

just my 2 cents
 
I was reading through the Physorg news today and this research is interesting :

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-universe-clumpier-thought.html


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cosmological model, as shown here, indicate that on very large distance scales, galaxies should be uniformly distributed. But observations show a clumpier distribution than expected. (The length bar represents about 2.3 billion light years.) Credit: Courtesy of Volker Springel/Max-Planck-Institute for Astrophysics, Garching, Germany (via PRL)


After analyzing data from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey (SDSK), cosmologist Shaun Thomas and colleagues from the University College of London, have concluded that the universe is "clumpier" than scientists have thought, leading to speculation that new theories need to be made to explain why the matter that makes up the universe isn’t as smooth as models have suggested they should be. The results of their research, published on Physical Review Letters, show that there is either faulty evidence in their discovery, or that established laws of gravity do not apply to such a large scale as the entire universe.

Such models, created by cosmologists to show how the universe came to be as it is today, are based on Einstein’s theory of general relativity, and use known data about the universe; starting from the Big Bang and moving forward, to recreate, in essence the entire time from back then, till now. In so doing, and by applying the laws of motion and gravity, scientists are able to duplicate the process that led to way matter exists in the universe, which because it all came from the singularity known as the Big Bang, theory suggests that there should be a certain uniformity everywhere you look, the only irregularities coming from fluctuations in the density of matter itself.

This new research upends that idea though, showing that there exists far more clumps of stuff such as stars and galaxies then there should be if everything has been moving, since the Big Bang, according to the laws of physics.

Thomas and his team made the find by analyzing data from the SDSK, creating a 3-D map in the process, of galaxies some 4 billion light years distant, then calculated the smoothness of what they saw and compared that to what models suggested they should find. To their surprise they discovered that instead of the normal 1% clumpiness that models suggest, they instead found differences as much as 2%, which is significant because it moves their findings out of the realm of simple calculation errors.

Clearly it’s far too early to start throwing out Einstein’s theories, or even to rethink dark matter or how other elements that make up the universe might impact it’s clumpiness, as this is but one study, and there are other factors that might have caused the discrepancy, such as the difficulty in seeing through the Milky Way galaxy to what lies beyond, or inaccurate estimates of which little bits of light out there are stars or whole other galaxies. More studies, using data from other studies will need to be done before anything definitive can be declared and agreed upon.

More information: Excess Clustering on Large Scales in the MegaZ DR7 Photometric Redshift Survey, Phys. Rev. Lett. 106, 241301 (2011) DOI:10.1103/PhysRevLett.106.241301

Abstract
We observe a large excess of power in the statistical clustering of luminous red galaxies in the photometric SDSS galaxy sample called MegaZ DR7. This is seen over the lowest multipoles in the angular power spectra Cℓ in four equally spaced redshift bins between 0.45≤z≤0.65. However, it is most prominent in the highest redshift band at ∼4σ and it emerges at an effective scale k≲0.01  h Mpc-1. Given that MegaZ DR7 is the largest cosmic volume galaxy survey to date (3.3(Gpch-1)3) this implies an anomaly on the largest physical scales probed by galaxies. Alternatively, this signature could be a consequence of it appearing at the most systematically susceptible redshift. There are several explanations for this excess power that range from systematics to new physics. We test the survey, data, and excess power, as well as possible origins.
 
An interesting read (the paper that is), thanks for pointing it out.

As quoted, more work needs to be done. Its very preliminary, and very susceptible to systematics, though they did mention a new survey called BOSS which may help verify.

The possible explanations do include new physics, but more along the lines of tweaking to the standard Lamda-CDM cosmology. One suggestion was that the predictions are a crude approximation at the largest scales, and that we simply haven't treated the problem properly at that scale.
 
Also, you should probably have posted both of these article links in a new thread as they don't directly pertain to the original topic.

Perhaps you are right, but it makes the thread more understandable. When i have a lot of details about a subject, i do use separate threads and the ability of the forum to provide links to other threads. 🙂.
 
Since this thread is about Hannes Alfven, a scientist who has contributed a lot to plasma science, I thought it would be a good idea to add all the other great names here as well...

Irving Langmuir :

langmuir.jpg


http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/chemistry/laureates/1932/langmuir-bio.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Langmuir
As he continued to study filaments in vacuum and different gas environments, he began to study the emission of charged particles from hot filaments (thermionic emission). He was one of the first scientists to work with plasmas and was the first to call these ionized gases by that name, because they reminded him of blood plasma.[7] Langmuir and Tonks discovered electron density waves in plasmas that are now known as Langmuir waves.

Langmuir waves are something amazing.
I still have not matched it yet with what i understand of it.
 
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Do i understand this correctly ?
I can visualize a density change through a group of electrons.
And that localized increase or decrease in density is interesting.
 
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