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"Hands up Dont Shoot" activist shoots unarmed man during scenario training

Good on the activist for even going in. You'd never see a loser like Sharpton try to understand the other side of an issue.
 
It was a great video showing how quickly things can go bad and how even a unarmed suspect can be dangerous.
 
Perception is reality, often not the facts.

I associate the downward trend of crime in the 1990s with the advent of devices such as video games, personal computers and the affordability of other home media technology.

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Police don't even crack the top 10 of the US Bureau of Labor Statistics' most dangerous jobs. Not to understate the toughness of their jobs.

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soulcougher73 said:
Comply or die 😛
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I guess. This is another good training scenario for civilians. Pretend you are the citizen in these cases. Would anyone here comply?

Raw Video: Dash Cam Video of the Shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XFYTtgZAlE

Watch Dash Cam Footage Show Cops Beating A Man, No Reason, lied about it, tried to Hide video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktsPEGrGyqg

Thank goodness for the advent of video recorder technology and the ubiquity of smart phones. Forget guns, the two most dangerous weapons are the frail human ego and the perception of fear and retribution. In many of the shootings of unarmed men, I'm noticing a trend of police attempting to keep these video recordings from the media and public.

Shootings by police vastly underreported in Utah and nationally
http://www.sltrib.com/news/1938044-155/shootings-by-police-vastly-underreported-in
 
I don't equate risky physics danger with the same danger as fighting a crackhead.

Hell...being an astronaut would be the most dangerous wouldn't it?

Those are two totally different kind of dangers.
 
Interesting scenarios and results. I honestly think the first experience probably affected their decision making in the second scenario, but in both cases the perp is physically larger than the officer so I can see why they'd feel threatened in the second scenario.
 
Good for the activist, things really do happen quickly.

However none of the scenarios matched the Brown/Wilson incident.
 
Its easy to be critical but I remember working security in the Navy and all the training we got.
You have a very narrow window to size up a situation and protect your own life. Its not the same thing as watching a video in slow motion and coming to a decision with lots of time.
 
TechBoyJK said:
Mike Brown was a bigger dude than the big dude in the video, and if he was remotely running at Wilson...
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Brown ran a full city block away from the confrontation with Officer Wilson. Wilson had PULENTY of time to re-assess the situation per his training, note that Brown was unarmed and fleeing per his training, and change modes of response per his training. Everyone is focusing on the wrangling in Wilson's car, as though that's where Brown was killed. I agree that if an officer is trapped in his car fending off an attack, then he has very limited options and might justify using lethal force, especially when its CQB and there is now a struggle over the gun.

But ALL of that changed when Brown ran off, with only minor wounds to his arm or finger. Not ran off 10 feet, turned around and immediately came back at Wilson as he was attempting to get out of his car or something, not fully recovered from being attacked in the car. Ran off a full city block away, at least 150 feet by Wilson's own admission. The threat to Wilson was no longer applicable. He had PLENTY of time to reassess and deploy different approach to the situation, per his training. Instead, he just went after Brown and shot him down, knowing he was unarmed, knowing the threat continuum had been broken.
 
mizzou said:
I don't equate risky physics danger with the same danger as fighting a crackhead.
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About twice or thrice as many officers are killed by cardiovascular disease and auto accidents as from assaults. Shouldn't they be as fearful and uptight about their cardiovascular health or as paranoid about their driving skills?
 
While the video was interesting, the activist doesn't have the training or tools that a police officer has. His only tool was a gun. No taser, no pepper spray, no back up, no self-defense training. His only options were to flee, fight or shoot. Hmmm, I wonder what he will choose. :roll:
 
oldsmoboat said:
While the video was interesting, the activist doesn't have the training or tools that a police officer has. His only tool was a gun. No taser, no pepper spray, no back up, no self-defense training. His only options were to flee, fight or shoot. Hmmm, I wonder what he will choose. :roll:
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The 1st one, most cops would be dead. Posted before, we had 2 killed in similar situations.
 
tcsenter said:
About twice or thrice as many officers are killed by cardiovascular disease and auto accidents as from assaults. Shouldn't they be as fearful and uptight about their cardiovascular health or as paranoid about their driving skills?
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That's news to me.

2014 line of duty deaths:
Assault: 2
Automobile accident: 26
Drowned: 1
Duty related illness: 1
Fire: 1
Gunfire: 47
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 17
Motorcycle accident: 4
Struck by vehicle: 5
Vehicle pursuit: 5
Vehicular assault: 10

http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2014#ixzz3ONUEHXe3

tcsenter said:
Brown ran a full city block away from the confrontation with Officer Wilson. Wilson had PULENTY of time to re-assess the situation per his training, note that Brown was unarmed and fleeing per his training, and change modes of response per his training. Everyone is focusing on the wrangling in Wilson's car, as though that's where Brown was killed. I agree that if an officer is trapped in his car fending off an attack, then he has very limited options and might justify using lethal force, especially when its CQB and there is now a struggle over the gun.

But ALL of that changed when Brown ran off, with only minor wounds to his arm or finger. Not ran off 10 feet, turned around and immediately came back at Wilson as he was attempting to get out of his car or something, not fully recovered from being attacked in the car. Ran off a full city block away, at least 150 feet by Wilson's own admission. The threat to Wilson was no longer applicable. He had PLENTY of time to reassess and deploy different approach to the situation, per his training. Instead, he just went after Brown and shot him down, knowing he was unarmed, knowing the threat continuum had been broken.
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Wrong.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370876-witness-40-journal-entry.html

The cop just stood there dang if that kid didn't start running right at the cop like a football player. Head down. I heard 3 bangs but the big kid wouldn't stop.
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Anyway, you can bring this up in the other thread. It's not relevant.

I don't know why I bother, though - this thread shows how an outspoken activist went and did something that gave him a new perspective on how fast things can happen. Split second decisions aren't as easy as everyone thinks. Go crap in some other thread.

oldsmoboat said:
While the video was interesting, the activist doesn't have the training or tools that a police officer has. His only tool was a gun. No taser, no pepper spray, no back up, no self-defense training. His only options were to flee, fight or shoot. Hmmm, I wonder what he will choose. :roll:
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You're pretty stupid if you're wondering. 😉

🙄

See? I can play the sarcasm game too. You're missing the point.
 
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oldsmoboat said:
While the video was interesting, the activist doesn't have the training or tools that a police officer has. His only tool was a gun. No taser, no pepper spray, no back up, no self-defense training. His only options were to flee, fight or shoot. Hmmm, I wonder what he will choose. :roll:
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Yeah it was setup to discredit him and the movement.
In the show, he nervously pulled out his gun when he saw 2 people arguing and pushing. And in the 2nd scene he got shot when he approached some half hiding behind a car.
 
bononos said:
Yeah it was setup to discredit him and the movement.
In the show, he nervously pulled out his gun when he saw 2 people arguing and pushing. And in the 2nd scene he got shot when he approached some half hiding behind a car.
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Well that explains it.
 
bononos said:
Yeah it was setup to discredit him and the movement. In the show, he nervously pulled out his gun when he saw 2 people arguing and pushing. And in the 2nd scene he got shot when he approached some half hiding behind a car.
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Right, take a citizen with zero prior training and what amount of training did they give him, like 10 hours? Should have had the minimum # of hours to get certified as sworn LEO, along with ALL the training that cops get in their first year at just about every department in the nation. Weapons retention, deescalation, defensive and combative techniques, baton training, plus some simulator time. Wilson had six years of experience, and we are supposed to believe he had all the training of someone who just fell out of some nine-month diploma CJ program, which would still have been 10 times as much training as this guy was given?
 
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