Question HammerBot Question: Will Windows 12 obsolete CPU's?

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HammerBot:Based on the information provided, it is possible that Windows 12 may render some CPUs obsolete. Windows 12 is expected to have certain requirements, such as a 64-bit processor and TPM version 2.0, which may not be supported by older CPUs. Additionally, Windows 12 may also require a DirectX 12-compatible GPU, which could exclude older integrated graphics processors. As a result, it is likely that some CPUs may not be compatible with Windows 12 and could become obsolete.
 
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jamesdsimone

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IGBT said:
HammerBot:Based on the information provided, it is possible that Windows 12 may render some CPUs obsolete. Windows 12 is expected to have certain requirements, such as a 64-bit processor and TPM version 2.0, which may not be supported by older CPUs. Additionally, Windows 12 may also require a DirectX 12-compatible GPU, which could exclude older integrated graphics processors. As a result, it is likely that some CPUs may not be compatible with Windows 12 and could become obsolete.
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Well a 64bit OS and DX12 have been pretty much standard for 10+ years so don't see those as being any obstacle.
 
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DAPUNISHER said:
Linux recently had its highest install base/market share ever. Shutting out all of those older hardware owners is going to result in some of them jumping ship.
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I don't think that anyone would even try to legitimately run windows 12 on Nvidia's Tesla or Radeon's Terrascale. Intel's 3rd gen core and lower also only run DX11, but they're already not supported in win11
 
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I found out about this accidently on "Toms Hardware"...the question I have now...how many of Dells existing systems i.e. laptops / desktops are win12 compliant?? I have been in the market for a new desktop perhaps a Dell XPS i9 system but until I find out what's going on I will pause my search...
 
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Rumors are there might not even be a Windows 12 and instead just be a version of Windows 11.

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Why do we care what a LLM speculates about the future? It's literally just regurgitating what it's seen online, it's almost as bad as cable news hosts...
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I'm not sure the OP isn't a bot if you've seen most of their posts, they tend to be one sentence if not shorter and border on basically nonsensical commentary, seems fitting they rely on AI for their information. It also explains a LOT.

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Pretty much all of them that run 11. I doubt they'll raise the requirements for 12
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The main change is Microsoft wants to shove AI into Windows and force it down everyone's throats so they can appeal to the AI investor bros and make line go up. That's supposedly the impetus behind going to Win12 since they already ruined their "Windows 10 will be the last Windows". Maybe the should just jump to 14 so they can mangle it into AI branding. But because of that they're supposedly going to require AI processing requirements.

Personally I hope they do make Win12 and make it have all the AI junk, but sadly they're already injecting that into Win11 and backporting it to Win10 as well. So there's a high chance I'll be going Linux as it can do basically everything I want from an OS at this point. I'm hoping that Valve will bring back Steamboxes, or *crosses fingers* makes a full blown Linux distro.
 
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Unofficially running Windows 11 on an aged PC? The OS soon won't boot - at all - with old CPUs
Windows 11 24H2 is coming with a new 'POPCNT' instruction that'll certainly pop the bubble of anyone running Microsoft's OS on a potato PC from yesteryear.
Feb 12, 2024 10:11 AM CST

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/index.html
 
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IGBT said:
Unofficially running Windows 11 on an aged PC? The OS soon won't boot - at all - with old CPUs
Windows 11 24H2 is coming with a new 'POPCNT' instruction that'll certainly pop the bubble of anyone running Microsoft's OS on a potato PC from yesteryear.
Feb 12, 2024 10:11 AM CST

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/index.html
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You can't run updates on the unsupported CPUs anyway, not a problem. Just don't install the latest OS, that's it.
 
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It's also a bit of a nothingburger. This might be an issue if we were talking about people who used Rufus to put Win11 on a Skylake PC, but unless I'm reading it wrong it would only affect Core2 parts on the Intel side, and way back to Athlon64 on AMD.

If you're running Win11 on an Athlon 64 X2, not booting would probably be a mercy. Even a C2Q is going to be pretty painful.
 
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MrTeal said:
It's also a bit of a nothingburger. This might be an issue if we were talking about people who used Rufus to put Win11 on a Skylake PC, but unless I'm reading it wrong it would only affect Core2 parts on the Intel side, and way back to Athlon64 on AMD.

If you're running Win11 on an Athlon 64 X2, not booting would probably be a mercy. Even a C2Q is going to be pretty painful.
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To add, Phenom II also lacks SSE4.2 instruction set, so AMD's chips work starting at bulldozer and onward
 
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MrTeal said:
Does it need full 4.2? The article only said POPCNT, so AMD would have had support starting with Barcelona in 2007.

SSE4 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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Yep, didn't check properly. Anyway, the rewrite process is just starting, MS team will probably use some more instructions for their kernel
 
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IGBT said:
TPM version 2.0
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I recently lost my main SSD to failure resulting in having to get a new SSD and installing Win11.

Despite being told that a fresh install of Win11 does not require TPM2 it clearly does and wouldn't let me proceed until I enabled it in the BIOS.
 
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soresu said:
Despite being told that a fresh install of Win11 does not require TPM2 it clearly does and wouldn't let me proceed until I enabled it in the BIOS.
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There's a way to disable the TPM check:

www.tomshardware.com

How to Bypass Windows 11's TPM, CPU and RAM Requirements

Use simple utilities to install Windows 11 on any PC.
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com

Not sure if that still works, but hey you can try it if you like. However, don't be stupid like me and try installing it on an MBR partition.
 
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SPEC says it will no longer be publishing SPEC CPU 2017 results for Intel CPUs running a specific version of the Intel compiler, citing displeasure over an apparent targeted optimization for a specific workload (via ServeTheHome and Phoronix) that essentially amounts to cheating. A note has been added to the more than 2,600 benchmark results published with the offending compiler, effectively invalidating those results, mostly from machines running 4th Gen Xeon Sapphire Rapids CPUs. https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...-4C02-B361-EE4715788C9F&utm_source=SmartBrief
 
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