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Hammer gets supercomputer design win... Sandia Labs plans 16,000 Opteron, 100 trillion operations/sec unit

glenn1

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From today's Wall Street Journal... codename "Red Storm."



AMD's New Opteron Chips Are Tapped for Red Storm

By DON CLARK, Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL


Endorsing the technology of one of Intel Corp.'s key rivals, Sandia National Laboratories and Cray Inc. plan to build a massive supercomputer using a soon-to-be-introduced line of microprocessor chips from Advanced Micro Devices Inc., people familiar with the matter said.

The development project, estimated in June to cost $90 million, is a high-profile vote of confidence for AMD's new Opteron chip, in a small but prestigious market long dominated by other chip suppliers. It represents a missed opportunity for Intel, which has been targeting its new Itanium line at high-performance computing applications.

Red Storm, Sandia's name for the new supercomputer, also marks a step forward for the U.S. effort at leadership in supercomputers, which suffered a blow this year with the completion of a huge machine called the Earth Simulator by Japanese government agencies and NEC Corp. Where recent U.S. machines have largely been constructed out of components used in commercial computers, Cray is expected to develop special technology for connecting the AMD chips that should make Red Storm suited for more-complex scientific problems.

"This is a move away from commodity components," said Horst Simon, division director of the National Energy Research Scientific Computing Center, a supercomputer facility affiliated with Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. "It's very exciting."

Sandia, which does research for the U.S. Department of Energy in Albuquerque, N.M., and Livermore, Calif., has a performance goal of 100 trillion operations per second for Red Storm. It hasn't disclosed most technical details, including the chip selection. But Mr. Simon estimated that the machine will require 16,000 or more microprocessors to hit its speed target, which would appear to surpass the Earth Simulator's current performance.

Sandia said in June that it had selected Cray, a longtime supercomputer maker based in Seattle, to negotiate a development contract. Cray and Sandia officials didn't return calls seeking comment Friday, but they have scheduled a news conference for Monday in Albuquerque. AMD and Intel officials declined to comment.

AMD could use some good news. The company's Athlon chip line, mainly used in personal computers, has been falling behind the performance of comparable Intel chips. The company reported last week a third-quarter loss of $254 million on sales of $508.2 million, off 34% from the year-earlier period.

Opteron is a high-end member of the new line, code-named Hammer, that is due out next year and viewed by analysts as AMD's best hope for recovery. Like the Itanium, Hammer chips are designed to process 64 bits of information at a time, instead of 32 bits, a capability that helps run huge databases and solve scientific problems.

Intel's Itanium line, developed over eight years with help from Hewlett-Packard Co., is based on an entirely new architecture and achieves its best performance on new 64-bit programs. AMD, by contrast, made 64-bit additions to the original Intel technology used in the past by both companies.

The difference, AMD says, allows Hammer-based computers to run both 32-bit and 64-bit software at high speed. AMD released preliminary test results last week for Opteron -- so far not validated by outside researchers -- that show the chip exceeding Intel's latest Itanium 2 model on one of two widely-used speed measures, AMD said.

Itanium 2, introduced last summer, has already been selected for at least a half-dozen high-performance installations. The Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, another Department of Energy facility, is building a $24.5 million system based on 1,400 Itanium 2 chips. Based on past Sandia announcements, the Red Storm project's stated performance goal is more than 10 times that of the Pacific Northwest project.

 
Originally posted by: Cosmic_Horror
Fantastic news for AMD! 🙂

Hopefully a high profile project like this will help AMD crack into the server market better 🙂
Yea, this is definitely good news.
 
explain something to me

this line
so far not validated by outside researchers
says that they're spending 90 million on an unproven / unvalidated processor:Q

this is great news to amd 😀

and it must mean hammer is indeed "all that it's supposed to be" but i wonder if/why a company such as those mentioned above would even go the distance and give it a name without substantial testing and performance records?buying on name alone or unproven hardware is risky even in the best economy.

granted i don't know that much about "hammer technology" but i would venture to say that if it was that "they were intrested in aquiring the hammer for their next supercomputer", this would have made better sense.

but the part saying "cray is expected to develop special technology for connecting the AMD chips that should make Red Storm suited for more-complex scientific problems." this should be intresting.

cray backing amd ...it must be a very good product to get the kind of support that is beneficial to the growth of both companies.

great to see this kind of partnership forming.looks like i may be watching amd more closely from now on out as the hammer technology develops.

it could be quite intresting
 
Originally posted by: Wolfsraider
explain something to me

this line
so far not validated by outside researchers
says that they're spending 90 million on an unproven / unvalidated processor:Q

this is great news to amd 😀

and it must mean hammer is indeed "all that it's supposed to be" but i wonder if/why a company such as those mentioned above would even go the distance and give it a name without substantial testing and performance records?buying on name alone or unproven hardware is risky even in the best economy.
Outside researchers = Tech sites I would guess. I'm sure that Sandia Lab wouldn't buy 16,000 Opterons without some testing of their own. Also, I can't wait to see what Cray does with that project and the integrated memory controller. 😀

Very good news for AMD! No wonder they have 'shifted their focus' to getting the Opterons out. (Yes, I saw the thread and the update about Hammer being delayed then not delayed...it still says the focus has shifted in denying that it has been delayed.)

90 million in revenue from that alone
The development project will cost $90 million, I don't think AMD gets all of that. 😉 I'm sure Cray gets some and so do the other manufacturers providing parts. 😛

 
Originally posted by: Wolfsraider
explain something to me

this line
so far not validated by outside researchers
says that they're spending 90 million on an unproven / unvalidated processor:Q

this is great news to amd 😀

and it must mean hammer is indeed "all that it's supposed to be" but i wonder if/why a company such as those mentioned above would even go the distance and give it a name without substantial testing and performance records?buying on name alone or unproven hardware is risky even in the best economy.

granted i don't know that much about "hammer technology" but i would venture to say that if it was that "they were intrested in aquiring the hammer for their next supercomputer", this would have made better sense.

but the part saying "cray is expected to develop special technology for connecting the AMD chips that should make Red Storm suited for more-complex scientific problems." this should be intresting.

cray backing amd ...it must be a very good product to get the kind of support that is beneficial to the growth of both companies.

great to see this kind of partnership forming.looks like i may be watching amd more closely from now on out as the hammer technology develops.

it could be quite intresting

Affordable 64-bit processing, I'd go as far as saying the demand for it is as simple as that.
 
Originally posted by: Wolfsraider
explain something to me

this line
so far not validated by outside researchers
says that they're spending 90 million on an unproven / unvalidated processor:Q

Read the whole sentence again
AMD released preliminary test results last week for Opteron -- so far not validated by outside researchers -- that show the chip exceeding Intel's latest Itanium 2 model on one of two widely-used speed measures, AMD said.

The test result from the 'widely-used speed measures' have not been validated by outside researchers.

It just means the benchmarks have only been performed and reported by AMD, and not confirmed by anyone else. 🙂
 
It will be fun to follow this project through all it's stages. Maybe this will spawn other supercomputer projects as well. 🙂

On a sidenote, I am eagerly anticipating upgrading my entire system to include a Sledgehammer chip. I love new technology.
 
Hello!

Why is everybody allways so pessimistic about AMD. Its almost funny reading all the threads "Hammer delayed, is AMD dead???". And what comes to supercomputers, why dont you just make a search in Google "supercomputers +AMD". I think many will be suprised on how many results you get and how many supercomputers there are using AMD processors!


-DaFinn
 
dafinn-sorry if i seemed pessimistic about AMD,i was wondering why.

i should have reasoned out that cray was already involved,to not be would be illogical.

i Am glad for amd😀 and intel's offering the itanium 1/2 =i wouldn't buy either one sorry

thats why i am intrested in all this as amd does sound good but i'd have a hard time buying one nevermind 16000 without testing them in smaller quantities lol oh wait i couldn't afford 16000 processors lol


BD231
Affordable 64-bit processing, I'd go as far as saying the demand for it is as simple as that
true dat😉

justshawnf
AMD released preliminary test results last week for Opteron -- so far not validated by outside researchers -- that show the chip exceeding Intel's latest Itanium 2 model on one of two widely-used speed measures, AMD said.
ahh i never made the connection thanks

in all seriousness guys i mean no harm/foul here i am intrested in the hammer as a flagship processor just as much as intel's
if this thing is as omnipotent as i've been reading ...
<----walks away counting pennies

thanks mike
 
(Majewski, u are such a troll....have u found any 2600's in stock and available yet?)

Hey, neither are Hammers, Granite Bay, NForce2, NV30, and lots of other stuff we all drool about.

On a side note, i wonder how much physical memory and storage capacity Red Storm is gonna pack, much less how much real estate the complete system will need to occupy... something tells me that they're going to need a bigger lab at Sandia 😀
 
Originally posted by: glenn1
(Majewski, u are such a troll....have u found any 2600's in stock and available yet?)

Hey, neither are Hammers, Granite Bay, NForce2, NV30, and lots of other stuff we all drool about.

The primary difference is that none of those were "released" over two months ago (though nForce 2 isn't too far behind).
 
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