Hamas Targeted Israeli Nuclear Facility With Rockets

[cabri]

"Their people" has no legal justification, nor a moral one. They are not the ones shelling Israel.

Would you per chance be saying the same if the same thing happened to Israeli civilians in response to the brutal actions of their government? Or would you be advocating their exodus from Israel to other parts of the world? You know, similar to what they did to Palestinians?

There is no limit when one loses their sense of morality. To think of it, these are the descendants of Moses, one of the greatest man ever.

So, you feel that Israel should just accept what ever happens and not retaliate.

They notify the Palestinians that a strike will be coming in advance.
when Hamas sends/forces civilians into the targetting locaion;should Israel not then respond.

According to the scriptures; Moses suckered the Egyptians into the Red Sea and drowned them. Note that the Egyptians were attempting to kill the Jews and would not allow the Jews to depart peacefully.

Seems like what the Palestinians are now doing. They (Gaza residents) do not want Israel to live in peace, so those that are attacking but bear the consequences of their actions. They have elected Hamas; knowing what Hamas stands for. They (Gaza residents) cheer when the rockets are being fired against Israel; not caring what the damage that is being done.

Israel is not conducting the strikes against those in the West Bank; rockets are not being launched from the West Bank even those there are many that support what Hamas is doing.

Do the Palestinians condemn Hamas for launching rockets against Jerusalem?
A city that has Palestinians living there and no military value.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

There is a sick kind of logic to Israeli actions.

They know that these brutalities will create more extremists, the survivors of families killed, others etc. And this is exactly what the Israeli govt wants, so that they can justify even more brutality, more apartheid, more land grab. In other words, more of the same that has been going on.

Otherwise, there would be pressure on them to deal with issue fairly and in a just manner. That is the last thing they want.

It is really sick, really cynical.

Can you fill us in on your demographics? I would like to know more about people who think like you do.

 

[Borealis7]

Israel is so vicious! they kill the same family twice!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd...._=1414408085_ab69161f8781ad1b8fecff03fa92a298

plenty more where that came from: (just going over my Facebook feed...)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....270022616407946.61972.269844029759138&type=1
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...474033639315352.122949.473807642671285&type=1

oh and this:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152677131767176&fref=nf

 

[Paul98]

There is a sick kind of logic to Israeli actions.

They know that these brutalities will create more extremists, the survivors of families killed, others etc. And this is exactly what the Israeli govt wants, so that they can justify even more brutality, more apartheid, more land grab. In other words, more of the same that has been going on.

Otherwise, there would be pressure on them to deal with issue fairly and in a just manner. That is the last thing they want.

It is really sick, really cynical.

That it is, and it's amazing how many people here can justify killing of innocent civilians and call for more killing. Hmm who does that sound like?

None of what is going on is right, and the ability to simply say one side is right and the other side is wrong is sick.

 

[cabri]

There is a sick kind of logic to Israeli actions.

They know that these brutalities will create more extremists, the survivors of families killed, others etc. And this is exactly what the Israeli govt wants, so that they can justify even more brutality, more apartheid, more land grab. In other words, more of the same that has been going on.

Otherwise, there would be pressure on them to deal with issue fairly and in a just manner. That is the last thing they want.

It is really sick, really cynical.

Hamas has made the decision to shoot the rockets. And then you complain that Israel is responsible?

Hamas needs the retaliation; it justifies their existence and excuse for control.
as long as Israel does not retaliate, Hamas will continue and up the anti.

Until they themselves are put in danger, it will continue. Then they will again go crying to the UN/world that they are being picked on by Israel.
Everyone will then ignore that Hamas triggered the situation and only feel sorry for the poor Palestinians that are being brutalized by big bad Israel.

2-3 years ago, they screamed for a truce and stated that they would prevent attacks on Israel if Israel would be extra nice.
Israel relaxed restrictions but Hamas has not kept their word.
They obtained thousands of rockets. Yet not one had been used in defending Gaza against an Israel attack. They were intended for offensive capability; to cause problems for Israel.

Yet you want to feel sorry for them. Gaza hitched themselves to the Hamas wagon. Until they cut themselves lose; they are accepting the Hamas actions.

 

[Abwx]

I suggest the next family either stops their own people from shelling Israel

Funny that you didnt ask the same for the israelis..
Anyway what you re advocating for is collective punishments and murders, wich is exactly a war crime.

Besides the previous truce was broken by the israelis but i guess that you dont need to make a research about it, heck, bias is enough for some people to feel entitled to post innaccuracies.

 

[dainthomas]

Was listening to a BBC reporter interviewing someone with the Israeli government this morning. After a couple minutes he finally asked her what the British government would do if Hamas were dropping rockets on London, and she completely dodged the question and resumed asking him why Israel was killing children. She was apparently not even phased by the fact that Hamas launches these attacks from hospitals, schools, mosques etc. "Well, it's very densely populated. There are civilians everywhere." I guess that makes it ok.

 

[Abwx]

So, you feel that Israel should just accept what ever happens and not retaliate.

Retaliate to what since they are the ones who broke the previous truce.

 

[Abwx]

Israel is so vicious! they kill the same family twice!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd...._=1414408085_ab69161f8781ad1b8fecff03fa92a298

plenty more where that came from: (just going over my Facebook feed...)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....270022616407946.61972.269844029759138&type=1
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...474033639315352.122949.473807642671285&type=1

oh and this:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152677131767176&fref=nf

Facebook as a source of information..??

It tells how desesperate are some propagandists.

Give us a serious link rather than hearsay.

 

[Borealis7]

Facebook as a source of information..??

It tells how desesperate are some propagandists.

Give us a serious link rather than hearsay.

alright, can you read hebrew?
actually you don't have to. just by looking at the pictures you can tell whats going on. facebook is just a way to reach masses.
and watch the short clip.

but i realise i'd be wasting my time if i was trying to persuade you of anything.

 

[Newell Steamer]

When stating that Israel does not belong on Palestinian land; pro-Israel people run to the UN's decision and recognition of Israel.

When the UN criticizes Israel's heavy handed responses to Palestinian attacks the same people respond with; the UN is fucking stupid! Who listens to them?!

Accept the UN,.. only when its convenient.

 

[Ns1]

Facebook as a source of information..??

It tells how desesperate are some propagandists.

Give us a serious link rather than hearsay.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/11/1...an-massacre-falsely-recycled-as-gaza-tragedy/

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/bre...acres-recycled-as-gaza-atrocities/2012/11/18/

 

[Borealis7]

When stating that Israel does not belong on Palestinian land; pro-Israel people run to the UN's decision and recognition of Israel.

When the UN criticizes Israel's heavy handed responses to Palestinian attacks the same people respond with; the UN is fucking stupid! Who listens to them?!

Accept the UN,.. only when its convenient.

the UN in Gaza is an accomplice - housing ammo stocks and rockets in their buildings.

 

[Paul98]

Was listening to a BBC reporter interviewing someone with the Israeli government this morning. After a couple minutes he finally asked her what the British government would do if Hamas were dropping rockets on London, and she completely dodged the question and resumed asking him why Israel was killing children. She was apparently not even phased by the fact that Hamas launches these attacks from hospitals, schools, mosques etc. "Well, it's very densely populated. There are civilians everywhere." I guess that makes it ok.

Why didn't they ask what the British government would do if Israel bombed London?

 

[werepossum]

IIRC Israel's defense funding from the US this year stipulated that they will allow Raytheon to partner with Rafael in order to develop a US Iron Dome variant.

Cool.

I have every faith that Raytheon will get the price back up over $100,000 but at least it will still work. lol

What were their phrenology results?

😀 +1

What if Israel implemented the following policy:

For every 100 rockets fired, we will righteously annex 1 square mile of Gaza. If it becomes completely annexed, all Palestinians will be relocated to the West Bank or to other Arab nations. If you don't like it, don't fire rockets.

Sounds like a plan to me. I'd add a square block per 100 rocks thrown and ten square blocks per suicide bombing victim though.

 

[dainthomas]

Why didn't they ask what the British government would do if Israel bombed London?

Why would Israel bomb London? Is the British army firing rockets at civilian targets in Israel from schools?

If so, I imagine they'd continue to follow the Hamas model and cry to the UN about how they're being oppressed.

 

[squarecut1]

The children of Moses and Muhammad deserve better than this. Both Judaism and Islam are highly more philosophies and there are countless Jews and Muslims who live up to those, day in and day out.

Unlike the ignorant bigots full of hate (and I've seen a few on this forum as well), I do not for a second paint this conflict in a religious light.

Israel's actions have as much to do with Judaism as are the actions of suicide bombers in market places have to do with Islam. Morally sick people come in all shapes and forms. The atheist Communists have perhaps been the most brutal people in the modern history.

 

[werepossum]

Beyond the appearances of high tech massive wars they are actually doing ritual sacrifices.

As pointed by israeli journalist Gideon Levy the Hamas is used as a pretense to kill as much palestinians as possible.

200 houses destroyed, 220 killed and 1100 harmed, 95% are civilians.

What luck for Israel that hundreds of rockets just happen to fall on their heads right when they wanted to do a ritual sacrifice. Maybe they have a big rocket magnet . . .

Just heard on NPR that Hamas is claiming the upcoming capability to fly armed drones into Israel. Whatever capabilities they actually have now or will in the near future, eventually and inevitably they will have this capability.

If they've been able to smuggle thousands of much bigger rockets into Gaza, drones will be even easier. This will just destable and escalate this conflict even further, as responses on both sides ramp up, and civilians on both sides are caught in the ugly crossfire. 🙁 🙁 🙁

Finally, a heads up to Zebo and werepossum and Nebor. While Nebor often posts for troll-like effect, along with Z and possum, I "know" all three of you to be intelligent and non-simplistic people. And yet, crude generalization posts you have made in this thread are neither, imho, and disturb and even anger me.

Caution: high dudgeon from me will soon follow. You might consider it-- what's the word I'm looking for here? -- ahhhh, yes, a crusade!

I am totally out of patience with the Palestinians. Whatever legitimacy their grievances once had, when they elected a terrorist organization as their government, in my eyes they lost it all. If peace and security eventually require killing them all, they brought it on themselves. That's the beauty of democracy.

I won't apologize that you find this view disturbing, for it's a disturbing view. But at some point even Old Yeller had to be put down.

Keep any "disturbing views" that advocate the deaths of an entire population to yourself. They are not welcome here.
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[Abwx]

http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/11/1...an-massacre-falsely-recycled-as-gaza-tragedy/

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/bre...acres-recycled-as-gaza-atrocities/2012/11/18/

Lol, "infos" from zionists site, we can be sure that they are, well, "unbiaised" if not anectodal.

Next time post the israeli occupation forces sites.

Notice that the link i gave was from a spanish site and no one challanged the infos it gave.

Truth is that the vast majority of people killed are civilians according to the UNO and that s why you were prompt to discard UNO as a palestinians ally, wich is just laughable, actually everything that point israelis war crimes are automaticaly palestinians allies for the war crimes supporters that hang by there and whose persistant feature is to deny to others the very rights that they are claiming for themselves.

Italian TV : 33 babies killed :

http://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/ar...rti-91610574-e8b0-4e4d-a889-05d9e6652983.html

You see, i dont need to go to arabic and muslim sites while your only infos are from thoses who are killing palestinians.

 

[Ns1]

Lol, "infos" from zionists site, we can be sure that they are, well, "unbiaised" if not anectodal.

Next time post the israeli occupation forces sites.

Notice that the link i gave was from a spanish site and no one challanged the infos it gave.

Truth is that the vast majority of people killed are civilians according to the UNO and that s why you were prompt to discard UNO as a palestinians ally, wich is just laughable, actually everything that point israelis war crimes are automaticaly palestinians allies for the war crimes supporters that hang by there and whose persistant feature is to deny to others the very rights that they are claiming for themselves.

Hey when you can't dispute the facts dispute the source amirite?

 

[Jaskalas]

Funny that you didnt ask the same for the israelis..

Why would I? My reply is towards a post mourning Palestinians, whose death toll this week far outnumbers the Israelis.

Anyway what you re advocating for is collective punishments and murders, wich is exactly a war crime.

I advocate that they stop the violence, which would stop the bombs, or flee from the bombs. I advocate that they keep their lives. I advocate that Palestinian neighbors take in refugees - for the purpose of saving lives. You call such advocation a "war crime" and "collective punishment".

Just how irrational are you?

 

[Abwx]

I am totally out of patience with the Palestinians. Whatever legitimacy their grievances once had, when they elected a terrorist organization as their government, in my eyes they lost it all. If peace and security eventually require killing them all, they brought it on themselves. That's the beauty of democracy.

I won't apologize that you find this view disturbing, for it's a disturbing view. But at some point even Old Yeller had to be put down.

Why would Israel bomb London? Is the British army firing rockets at civilian targets in Israel from schools?

If so, I imagine they'd continue to follow the Hamas model and cry to the UN about how they're being oppressed.

Obviously both of you dont know nothing about history.

Let s see what the zionists leaders have to say about it and perhaps you ll understand who is the root of the conflict and why, unless you pretend to know better than thoses you re blindly supporting :

"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." -- Moshe Dayan, April 1969, Ha'aretz; quoted in Edward Said, 'Zionism from the Standpoint of Its Victims', Social Text, Volume 1, 1979, 7-58

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

It is obvious that you re either clueless or if not then you are a racist, otherwise why are you supporting thoses people who are aknowledging themselves that they are criminals.?.

 

[Abwx]

Just how irrational are you?

Read the zionists leaders quotes above and then you can ask who is irrationnal.

Those people said expressely that they are the agressors and logically i never support agressors and warmongers contrary to the zio medics consumers that parrot the zionists daily lies,bad faith and consequent crimes.

 

[trenchfoot]

I know what's really going on over there: There's a consortium of Saudi and Dubai real estate developers that are hiring Hamas thugs to fire rockets from Palestine hoping to drive Palestinian real estate values to rock bottom prices so they can then go in and buy every piece of land they can get their hands on dirt cheap and develop resorts on those pristine beach front properties.

Hamas gets their cut, the Palestinians get good paying jobs, the Israelis get peace of mind and investment opportunities, the Saudis get one less headache, the Dubai emirate get to make more artificial islands and everybody's happy.

*wishful thinking*

 

[Abwx]

When stating that Israel does not belong on Palestinian land; pro-Israel people run to the UN's decision and recognition of Israel.

When the UN criticizes Israel's heavy handed responses to Palestinian attacks the same people respond with; the UN is fucking stupid! Who listens to them?!

Accept the UN,.. only when its convenient.

Worse, there s 92 resolutions voted against israel and none is or has been enforced by the zionist regime.

As said if those resolutions are deemed unlawfull by israel then the resolution that created this state is unlawfull as well.