Hamas strikes again

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE
Oh I know you do. The problem is that you do not consider the actions of Hamas to be terrorist acts since they are justified.

I consider all violence or threat of violence used to intimidate or coerce others to be terrorist acts. If you could manage to pull your head out of your ass long enough to actually look at what I've said, you would understand as much.

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
I wouldnt be talking, you skipped over my post which shows how rediculous you think its justifiable for the entire arab world to teach hate over a small piece of land, even though none of the countries even want the palestinians.

I responded your argument by pointing out your own equality unjustifiable perpetuation of hatred towards the the entire Arab world over those two small pieces of land. Land which is legally Palestinian territory under international law, but which Israel insists on keeping millions of people defenceless on, while colonizing it out from under them, and killing off anyone who gets in the way. That is the part you constantly skill over while pointing your finger at everyone but Israel in your relentless support of the ongoing conquest over what little is left of Palestine.

So what you are saying is the actions Hamas is using in it's attempts to force Israel to withdraw are terrorist acts and they should turn to more diplomatic methods?

 

[kylebisme]

I am not going to humor your pitiful attempts at telepathy anymore.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: irwincur
This and subsequest attacks will be buried by the media. Then when Israel responds, it will be for no reason at all - just plain aggression.

The liberal bias in the media has never been stronger and more obvious. It's not helping their cause. There was a time when I gave CNN, New York Times attention. Now I give it to the WSJ. Their subscriber base is interested in making money-- and they can't do that with faulty information.

Liberalism is a religion.

 

[kylebisme]

Oh come on guys, do you not realize that our media constantly gives Israeli officials the opportunity to defend their actions, while hardly any Palestinians are ever given a chance to speak?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
I am not going to humor your pitiful attempts at telepathy anymore.

Yeah, I though you were full of shit, again. :beer:

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Oh come on guys, do you not realize that our media constantly gives Israeli officials the opportunity to defend their actions, while hardly any Palestinians are ever given a chance to speak?

Is this a trick question? No, we don't, because the bias is all over the place.
You've got to be kidding me snowman, go melt somewhere. NYT article in the first section Thursday talked about the oh poor Palestinians, how Israel has been the source of all their woes.

The author found time to mention that relief and supplies were pouring in for millions, but somehow just couldn't bother to mention Israel was the chief supplier of this. Yet somehow they still portrayed Israel as the source of the conflict, not the militant Hamas intent on rocketing a UN-sanctioned state. No sir, there is definitely no liberal bias. This kind of journalism is all over the place-- USA Today, NYT, CNN. No further proof is needed.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
I'm sure there is still a hospital Israel can drop a bomb on somewhere in Gaza.

Well, it's funny, the further they push them back the more people from israel take over (squaters) maybe they will start bombing their own people? Sheesh What a fucked up country israel is.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Oh come on guys, do you not realize that our media constantly gives Israeli officials the opportunity to defend their actions, while hardly any Palestinians are ever given a chance to speak?

Is this a trick question?

No, it was an honest question, but you totally dodged it.

I am curious to see the NYT article you mention though.

 

[Lemon law]

The point is, THE US DOMESTIC MEDIA slants the News in a pro-Israeli way, they have since 1948, making it somewhat political suicide for any US politician to do other wise.

The news media of the rest of the world is far more unbiased so their politicians are far more free to access their countries self-interests regrading the mid-east and the Israeli Palestinians problems.

The real game changing moments may be in the UN, because the USA, with a veto vote in the security council has always sided with Israel when it comes to UN based condemnation of Israeli acts of aggression.

With Israel now openly threatening another Gaza incursion with "TOTALLY DISPROPORTIONATE ISRAELI RETALIATION" ( Israeli words, not mine ), there may soon come a time when the rest of the world DEMANDS that kind of Israeli aggressions ceases, and OBAMA or some future US President may have to quit vetoing such UN moves, because failing that, the USA will lose all international support already badly damaged by GWB&co.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
With Israel now openly threatening another Gaza incursion with "TOTALLY DISPROPORTIONATE ISRAELI RETALIATION" ( Israeli words, not mine ), there may soon come a time when the rest of the world DEMANDS that kind of Israeli aggressions ceases, and OBAMA or some future US President may have to quit vetoing such UN moves, because failing that, the USA will lose all international support already badly damaged by GWB&co.

psssst... you forgot to mention or acknowledge -- even once -- that Hamas broke the the ceasefire... again. A sentence or two concerning that fact would have been nice to see in your last paragraph. All that talk about the effect, sans any mention of the cause. Just sayin...

I'm curious, how many free passes does Hamas get per ceasefire? Is there a set amount?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Oh come on guys, do you not realize that our media constantly gives Israeli officials the opportunity to defend their actions, while hardly any Palestinians are ever given a chance to speak?

That is what the BBC is for

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The point is, THE US DOMESTIC MEDIA slants the News in a pro-Israeli way, they have since 1948, making it somewhat political suicide for any US politician to do other wise.

The news media of the rest of the world is far more unbiased so their politicians are far more free to access their countries self-interests regrading the mid-east and the Israeli Palestinians problems.

The real game changing moments may be in the UN, because the USA, with a veto vote in the security council has always sided with Israel when it comes to UN based condemnation of Israeli acts of aggression.

With Israel now openly threatening another Gaza incursion with "TOTALLY DISPROPORTIONATE ISRAELI RETALIATION" ( Israeli words, not mine ), there may soon come a time when the rest of the world DEMANDS that kind of Israeli aggressions ceases, and OBAMA or some future US President may have to quit vetoing such UN moves, because failing that, the USA will lose all international support already badly damaged by GWB&co.

When Israel has not retailiated, the Palestinians keep shelling Isaeli settlements.
That seems like disproportionate retaliation. This never gets into the news

Then if Israel launches a few missles at Hamas leaderships or shells at few launching sites, is that apportionate retaliation. This gets into the news as if Israel started the shooting and the Palestinians make the most of the staged affects.

In both cases, above, Israel loses; The first because the absorb the punishment and encourages the Palestinians to keep on doing it, knowing that there will be no punishment.
The second, because ISrael wil be considered the bad boy by using advanced technology to minimize casualties that could happen with indiscrimate firing.

The only time Israel has been able to accomplish anything is by disproportional force. That is what makes the Palestinians wake up to what their leadership is accomplishing for them.
when that happens, the attacks agaisnt Israel drop/cease. That is what Israel wants; apparently Hamas will only enforce such actions when they have their backs agaisnt the wall and need relief.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Then if Israel launches a few missles at Hamas leaderships or shells at few launching sites, is that apportionate retaliation. This gets into the news as if Israel started the shooting and the Palestinians make the most of the staged affects.

What news are you reading? There are reports that say "Israel retaliated" all over the place:

http://news.google.com/news?hl...d&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
The second, because ISrael wil be considered the bad boy by using advanced technology to minimize casualties that could happen with indiscrimate firing.

It's the using big bombs which kills far more people than it saves that Israel look bad, well that and robbing people of their homeland, but the former is really just part of the latter.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
The only time Israel has been able to accomplish anything is by disproportional force. That is what makes the Palestinians wake up to what their leadership is accomplishing for them.

Rather it is a part of what won Hamas the election in the first place.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
when that happens, the attacks agaisnt Israel drop/cease. That is what Israel wants; apparently Hamas will only enforce such actions when they have their backs agaisnt the wall and need relief.

Israel constantly has Palestinians backs against the wall and need relief, and stopping the rockets during the 2008 truce did little to change that.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Then if Israel launches a few missles at Hamas leaderships or shells at few launching sites, is that apportionate retaliation. This gets into the news as if Israel started the shooting and the Palestinians make the most of the staged affects.

What news are you reading? There are reports that say "Israel retaliated" all over the place:

http://news.google.com/news?hl...d&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn

answer the real question.....

 

[kylebisme]

You are going to have to ask it first.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
I make no attempt to justify the attacks from Hamas, you moron.

Then what is it??
Please don`t say -- You constantly ignore the substance of my posts...
Your posts only have substance in your reality.....

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: irwincur
This and subsequest attacks will be buried by the media. Then when Israel responds, it will be for no reason at all - just plain aggression.

The liberal bias in the media has never been stronger and more obvious. It's not helping their cause. There was a time when I gave CNN, New York Times attention. Now I give it to the WSJ. Their subscriber base is interested in making money-- and they can't do that with faulty information.

Liberalism is a religion.

No, it involves facts, which is something you have a problem with.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: irwincur
This and subsequest attacks will be buried by the media. Then when Israel responds, it will be for no reason at all - just plain aggression.

The liberal bias in the media has never been stronger and more obvious. It's not helping their cause. There was a time when I gave CNN, New York Times attention. Now I give it to the WSJ. Their subscriber base is interested in making money-- and they can't do that with faulty information.

Liberalism is a religion.

No, it involves facts, which is something you have a problem with.

2/10 :roll:

 

[sciwizam]

2 Gaza rockets hit southern Israel

JERUSALEM (AP) ? Two rockets fired by Palestinian militants struck southern Israel on Sunday, Israel's military said, violating an informal truce even as Israel and Gaza's Hamas rulers appeared to hurry closer to a long-term cease-fire deal two days before Israeli elections.

The Gaza Strip's strongman was in Syria, consulting with his Hamas bosses about the truce talks, while Israel's defense minister warned Israelis they would have to pay a painful price as part of any deal. The flurry of activity came just two days before Israelis elect a new government expected to take a harder line in talks with the Palestinians.

Israel unilaterally ended a blistering, three-week offensive in Gaza, meant to halt years of rocket fire on southern Israeli communities, last month. Some 1,300 Palestinians were killed, according to Gaza health officials, and the government said 13 Israelis also died. Vast areas of Gaza were destroyed or heavily damaged. Hamas announced its own cease-fire the same day.

While Egypt has been trying to broker a long-term cease-fire, sporadic violence has persisted. In separate attacks, Palestinian rockets exploded in the Nir Am communal farm and the southern city of Ashkelon. No injuries were reported, though cars and buildings were damaged, authorities said.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for either attack.

With Israeli elections approaching Tuesday, both sides appeared to be racing to reach some sort of arrangement. Polls show that Israel's next government would be much more hawkish than the current coalition, adding urgency to seal a deal.

Israel wants militants to halt their attacks, end arms smuggling into Gaza and release an Israeli soldier Hamas has held captive for more than 2 1/2 years.

Hamas wants an end to Israel's economic blockade of Gaza, which has severely restricted the movement of goods since Hamas seized power in June 2007. It also has demanded the release of more than 1,000 Palestinian prisoners held by Israel in return for the soldier, Sgt. Gilad Schalit. Hundreds of the prisoners have been involved in deadly attacks on Israel, and their release would likely generate unease if not outright controversy.

Mahmoud Zahar, Hamas' Gaza strongman, was in the Syrian capital, Damascus, on Sunday to discuss truce prospects with the group's exiled leadership. Israel allowed Zahar, who had been in hiding since the Israeli offensive, to leave Gaza on Saturday.

Mohammed Nazzal, a member of Hamas' exiled leadership, said Hamas would not rush an agreement just because of the Israeli election.

"We do not set our agenda according to others' calendars or schedules, meaning that we are not concerned about the Israeli elections ... we are concerned about signing a decent deal," he told al-Jazeera. He also said there was nothing new to report in the Schalit case.

Speaking to reporters in Israel, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said he was doing his utmost to bring Schalit home.

"We're not talking about hocus-pocus in which we roll the dice and get Gilad Schalit in return for a nice smile or a gesture," he said. "In the end, attached to it is a heavy and painful price that we'll have to decide on."

In a separate radio interview, Barak said he did not think Schalit would be home in time for Israel's parliamentary election, but hoped he would be freed by the time the current government's tenure ends in several weeks.

Rafi Eitan, another Cabinet minister, told Army Radio there is a "high probability" that a deal with Hamas, including an agreement over Schalit, will be reached before the government leaves office. He did not elaborate.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert tried to lower expectations, saying media reports in recent days of an impending release were "overblown and damaging."

In Gaza, the Palestinian Center for Human Rights demanded an investigation into the death of a man who appeared to have been tortured by Hamas. The man was not believed to be affiliated with any opposition group.

Rights groups frequently charge that Gaza's Hamas rulers use detentions and beatings to intimidate opponents. A Hamas official said the matter is under investigation.

 

[theflyingpig]

The Palestinians only desire is the destruction of Israel. The Palestinians must realize that they are simply too weak to accomplish their dream, and that further attacks against Israel will only result in more of them being slaughtered.