Hamas refuses to allow food into Gaza......

[dainthomas]

1. Show me proof of Israeli bombs killing civilians, then...
2. Show me proof that it was sanctioned by the Israeli government, then...
3. Show me proof that it deliberately and as a matter of tactics targeted civilians, then...
4. Show me proof that it is a common occurrence.

Every single one of these conditions is true of Hamas' violence. I suspect only one, possibly two are true of Israel's.

Hamas apologists will ignore this. Then when confronted with the fact that Hamas has a policy of launching attacks from schools and hospitals, they will ask for proof. Then when provided proof, they will claim it comes from biased sources.

Count on it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You're saying those guys are "residents" as in Anandtech members. Proof please?

It would appear that Hamas uses terrorism as it's commonly defined. It's interesting that you "condemn" both sides for violence, yet when one reads you posts you respond to criticism of Hamas terrorism with "well look at what Israel is doing". I don't mind that you are a sympathizer, but when your posts say one thing then deny them with a few dismissive words you really do look like a fool.

Just say that as long as Israel maintains it's position, you'll give Hamas terrorism a pass. That's not hard at all.

 

[Atreus21]

Hamas apologists will ignore this. Then when confronted with the fact that Hamas has a policy of launching attacks from schools and hospitals, they will ask for proof. Then when provided proof, they will claim it comes from biased sources.

Count on it.

I do. I'm responding more out of anger at peoples' foolishness and disallowing outright lies to go unchallenged, not out of any hopeless expectation that I'll change peoples' minds. Not on this board.

 

[Noobtastic]

Holy fuck what is this the 20th thread on Israel since....yesterday?

Of course Hamas refuses aid - it has more than enough. It's looking to squeeze Israel to ship in concrete materials to re-build all the rocket stations that were destroyed in OCL.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?ID=178081

Hamas can smuggle anything they want in through the tunnels, the blockade allows Hamas to place prixe-fixes on goods and extort Palestinian businesses.

It's like the war on drugs or the prohibition. The gangs want the war to continue so they can set the price and control the demand.

Hamas is all about control.

Remember - this is starving Gaza:

They need more of these:

 

[flavio]

The proof is in the pudding. Your anti-Israel, pro-Hamas posting history is all we need to see

Point out one pro-Hamas posting. You seem to confuse "disagreeing with Israel" with "pro-Hamas". A common mistake among hasbara/megaphone poeple.

 

[flavio]

1. Show me proof of Israeli bombs killing civilians, then...
2. Show me proof that it was sanctioned by the Israeli government, then...
3. Show me proof that it deliberately and as a matter of tactics targeted civilians, then...
4. Show me proof that it is a common occurrence.

Every single one of these conditions is true of Hamas' violence. I suspect only one, possibly two are true of Israel's.

Here you go:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-adm...-areas-in-lebanon-with-cluster-bombs-1.205418

Try google next time.

You know Israel kills far more Palestinian civilians than vice versa right. If not try google again.

 

[Noobtastic]

Point out one pro-Hamas posting. You seem to confuse "disagreeing with Israel" with "pro-Hamas". A common mistake among hasbara/megaphone poeple.

disagreeing with israel is an understatement flavio. infering their is a jewish takeover on anandtech, that jews have insidious control over the american government, that gaza is a "concentration camp," that hamas has a right to bullet proof vests and night vision goggles (your words), and endless apologism makes it more than legitimate to label you as a hamas sockpuppet.

many people disagree with israel, most israelis disagree with israel.

but hating an entire country is not "disagreement.'

you're just a hateful person flavio.

You know Israel kills far more Palestinian civilians than vice versa right. If not try google again.

lies again.

israeli soldiers don't shield themselves with jewish infants or pose as civilians when storming terrorist hideouts.

in fact, 90% of all palestinian casualties are all combat-age MALES. hardly "civilian."

fuckin media claimed nizar rayan was a civilian. if israel killed osama bin laden he would be coined as a civilian.

 

[flavio]

Of course Hamas refuses aid - it has more than enough. It's looking to squeeze Israel to ship in concrete materials to re-build all the rocket stations that were destroyed in OCL.

Repeat that lie even though it's been debunked over and over.

Hamas is all about control.

Remember - this is starving Gaza:

Israel is all about control

Remember - this is starving Gaza:
http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/06/03/what_exactly_is_the_blockade_of_gaza

 

[Noobtastic]

Repeat that lie even though it's been debunked over and over.




Israel is all about control

Remember - this is starving Gaza:
http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/06/03/what_exactly_is_the_blockade_of_gaza

starving gaza

 

[flavio]

disagreeing with israel is an understatement flavio. infering their is a jewish takeover on anandtech

Never inferred that. I did ask if you were one of those hasbara/megaphone people. You ready to answer?

that jews have insidious control over the american government

I didn't say that, some Israelis have though.

that gaza is a "concentration camp,"

Not my words but here you go:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-adm...-areas-in-lebanon-with-cluster-bombs-1.205418

that hamas has a right to bullet proof vests and night vision goggles (your words)

Not my words. I don't really see the problem with them but you did neglet to prove they were on the ship except with random pictures from IDF blogs.

and endless apologism makes it more than legitimate to label you as a hamas sockpuppet.

Nope, I haven't indicated support for Hamas at all. Gazans who are being starved by Israel yes.

But your endless Israeli apologism makes it more than legitimate to label you as a Israeli sockpuppet....hasbara/megaphone person.

but hating an entire country is not "disagreement.'

I don't hate any entire country. You've made it clear you do though.

you're just a hateful person IHV.

israeli soldiers don't shield themselves with jewish infants or pose as civilians when storming terrorist hideouts.

They shoot random innocent civilians.

i

 

[flavio]

starving gaza

Your picture is meaningless. We don't know if it's even in Gaza. Propaganda photo.

Here is starving Gaza...
http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-adm...-areas-in-lebanon-with-cluster-bombs-1.205418

 

[Noobtastic]

Your picture is meaningless. We don't know if it's even in Gaza. Propaganda photo.

Here is starving Gaza...
http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-adm...-areas-in-lebanon-with-cluster-bombs-1.205418

read your own source, moron.

how can those pictures be propaganda photos when they come straight from hamas-controlled gaza?

not jpost. not zionist media.

palestinian news.

oh man, look at that starvation!

what is the average life expectancy in gaza again? 75?

no...it can't be.

 

[bfdd]

Here you go:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-adm...-areas-in-lebanon-with-cluster-bombs-1.205418

Try google next time.

You know Israel kills far more Palestinian civilians than vice versa right. If not try google again.

That's not Palestine... that's Lebanon. Fail.

 

[flavio]

moron.

Any chance of you stopping the trolling? I'm going to be forced to report your posts if you can't talk like an adult.

how can those pictures be propaganda photos when they come straight from hamas-controlled gaza?

Link to article showing where the pictures come from?

Of course, even if they were from Gaza they certainly wouldn't prove that Gazans aren't starving.

To know that you'd need more than a picture. You'd need some more overall facts like this:

http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/06/03/what_exactly_is_the_blockade_of_gaza

Showing that Gaza is starving.

 

[flavio]

That's not Palestine... that's Lebanon.

Oh that makes it ok, those arabs don't count.

Try Google
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Despite_6_warnings_Israel_bombed_and_killed_4_UN_observers

 

[bfdd]

Oh that makes it ok, those arabs don't count.

Try Google
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Despite_6_warnings_Israel_bombed_and_killed_4_UN_observers

Not Palestinians, fail again. This was about the actions Israel and Hamas take against each other, not what they do in other events. So like I said fail.

 

[nageov3t]

I thought this read like a good analysis of life inside Gaza...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/11/world/middleeast/11gaza.html

daily life is neither as awful as many abroad assert nor as untroubled as Israel insists. Instead, it has a numbing listlessness.

“In Gaza, no one is dying,” said Amr Hamad, deputy secretary general of the Palestinian Federation of Industries. “But no one is living.”

 

[Jaskalas]

Here you go:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-adm...-areas-in-lebanon-with-cluster-bombs-1.205418

Try google next time.

You know Israel kills far more Palestinian civilians than vice versa right. If not try google again.

Abandon terrorism and stop hiding behind women and children. Then they won't die.

 

[bfdd]

Abandon terrorism and stop hiding behind women and children. Then they won't die.

It's not even Hamas or Palestine that were attacked so it doesn't matter what the fuck he posted it's irrelevant to the question that was posed to him. So like I said he fails.

 

[Noobtastic]

Any chance of you stopping the trolling? I'm going to be forced to report your posts if you can't talk like an adult.

please report them if you think i have violated any rules.

Link to article showing where the pictures come from?

you could have just looked at the link yourself:

http://www.paltoday.ps/arabic/News-64161.htm

any more evidence you want? oh wait, i bet this was implanted by the zionists!!

Of course, even if they were from Gaza they certainly wouldn't prove that Gazans aren't starving.

no one is starving.

To know that you'd need more than a picture. You'd need some more overall facts like this:

http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/06/03/what_exactly_is_the_blockade_of_gaza

Showing that Gaza is starving.

the link says nothing about starvation or poverty. some cherry-picked editorial from a hamas mouthpiece trying to pin the self-inflected wounds of hamas on israel.

 

[flavio]

Abandon terrorism and stop hiding behind women and children. Then they won't die.

Good idea. Israel would have to abandon it's terrorism as well though.

 

[flavio]

please report them if you think i have violated any rules.

Ok, I will report all of your personal attacks.

you could have just looked at the link yourself:

http://www.paltoday.ps/arabic/News-64161.htm

Some photos of some food in a market does not prove there is no starvation or hardships in Gaza because of the blockade.

no one is starving.

Bullshit.

"Food: A 2010 World Health Organization report stated that "chronic malnutrition in the Gaza Strip has risen over the past few years and has now reached 10.2%. Micronutrient deficiencies among children and women have reached levels that are of concern." According to UN OCHA: "Over 60 percent of households are now food insecure, threatening the health and wellbeing of children, women and men. In this context, agriculture offers some practical solutions to a humanitarian problem. However, Israel's import and access restrictions continue to suffocate the agriculture sector and directly contribute to rising food insecurity. Of particular concern, farmers and fishers' lives are regularly put at risk, due to Israel's enforcement of its access restrictions. The fact that this coastal population now imports fish from Israel and through tunnels under the Gaza-Egypt border speaks to the absurdity of the situation." 72 percent of Gaza's fish profit comes from beyond the three nautical mile mark, but further restrictions by Israel's naval blockade prevents Gazans from fishing beyond that mark. Between 2008 and 2009 the fishing catch was down 47 percent."

the link says nothing about starvation or poverty. some cherry-picked editorial from a hamas mouthpiece trying to pin the self-inflected wounds of hamas on israel.

LOL, hamas mouthpiece! You're too much. WHO and the UN.

The article details the effects of the blockade on Food, Electricity, Industry, Health and even water.

"Israel has not permitted supplies into the Gaza Strip to rebuild the sewage system. Amnesty International reports that 90-95 percent of the drinking water in Gaza is contaminated and unfit for consumption."

 

[Noobtastic]

Ok, I will report all of your personal attacks.



Some photos of some food in a market does not prove there is no starvation or hardships in Gaza because of the blockade.




Bullshit.

"Food: A 2010 World Health Organization report stated that "chronic malnutrition in the Gaza Strip has risen over the past few years and has now reached 10.2%. Micronutrient deficiencies among children and women have reached levels that are of concern." According to UN OCHA: "Over 60 percent of households are now food insecure, threatening the health and wellbeing of children, women and men. In this context, agriculture offers some practical solutions to a humanitarian problem. However, Israel's import and access restrictions continue to suffocate the agriculture sector and directly contribute to rising food insecurity. Of particular concern, farmers and fishers' lives are regularly put at risk, due to Israel's enforcement of its access restrictions. The fact that this coastal population now imports fish from Israel and through tunnels under the Gaza-Egypt border speaks to the absurdity of the situation." 72 percent of Gaza's fish profit comes from beyond the three nautical mile mark, but further restrictions by Israel's naval blockade prevents Gazans from fishing beyond that mark. Between 2008 and 2009 the fishing catch was down 47 percent."



LOL, hamas mouthpiece! You're too much. WHO and the UN.

The article details the effects of the blockade on Food, Electricity, Industry, Health and even water.

"Israel has not permitted supplies into the Gaza Strip to rebuild the sewage system. Amnesty International reports that 90-95 percent of the drinking water in Gaza is contaminated and unfit for consumption."

that says nothing about starvation.

and the contaminated drinking water is a load of bull.

if you want to talk about the effects of israel's generous donations to hamas-ruled gaza, you can start another thread.

but your claims of starvation are not echoed by even the most extreme characterization.

 

[lothar]

For clarification about Hamas, I suggest purusing their charter:

http://middleeast.about.com/od/palestinepalestinians/a/me080106b.htm

- wolf

Cliffs?

 

[Atreus21]

Here you go:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-adm...-areas-in-lebanon-with-cluster-bombs-1.205418

Try google next time.

You know Israel kills far more Palestinian civilians than vice versa right. If not try google again.

Right. Try reading your own link next time:

Meanwhile, for the first time Monday, the IDF admitted targeting populated areas with cluster munitions. In a statement released by the IDF Spokesman's Office, "the use of cluster munitions against built-up areas was done only against military targets where rocket launches against Israel were identified and after taking steps to warn the civilian population."

Does Hamas take steps to avoid civilian casualties at all? No. In fact it delierately targets them.

The inquiry's findings were handed over to Halutz and IDF Advocate General Avichai Mendelblit, who will determine whether the case merits court-martial proceedings.

Based on the findings, Halutz decided to appoint Hacohen to investigate why field commanders blatantly disobeyed his orders.

So not only was the use of cluster bombs in contravention of orders NOT to use them, but the IDF conducted an inquiry to see if a court martial was in order. Why? Because the IDF recognized that cluster bombs put civilians at unnecessary risk. Does Hamas have such moral limitations? No. They use any means at their disposal to DELIBERATELY put civilians at risk.

Summing up, you have proven condition 1. You haven't proven condition 2 (it occurred against orders to the contrary), condition 3 (while it negligently harmed civilians, the attack was targeting the site of a rocket launch, which Israel's enemies deliberately plant in populated areas for the inevitable PR nightmare to follow), or condition 4 (this happened 4 years ago.)

Try again.