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Hamas protests UN plans to teach Holocaust in Gaza

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I don`t know what to say. Of course I knew that the Holocaust was not being taught to the children of the people who call themselves Palestinians.
Good idea or bad idea?
There are a lot of things that are not being taught children depending on there upbringing. I have no opinion one way or the other if this is a good idea or not.
Will it solve the immediate issues between Israel and the Palestinians?
Probably not.
But what harm can there be in teaching the children of the people who call themselves Palestinian about the Holocaust?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110322/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_hamas_un_holocaust

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – The United Nations has launched a new plan to teach the Holocaust in Gaza schools, drawing fierce condemnation from Gaza's militant Hamas rulers, school teachers — and even the body tasked with peace negotiations with Israel.

If implemented, it would be the first time most Palestinian children learn about Jewish suffering. But the outcry underscores how sensitive the issue is to Palestinians.

"Playing with the education of our children in the Gaza Strip is a red line," Hamas Education Minister, Mohammed Asqoul told a website of the group. He said Hamas will block attempts to teach the Holocaust "regardless of the price."

The uproar erupted after a U.N. official told a Jordanian daily in February that UNRWA, the main U.N. agency serving Palestinian refugees, would introduce a short case study about the Holocaust to Gaza students as part of its human rights curriculum.

"Instead of pre-emptive accusations, it is important for Palestinians ... to fully understand the tragedies and suffering that happened to all people through generations, without divvying up facts and taking things out of context," the official, Sami Mushasha, was quoted as saying......

There is more -- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110322/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_hamas_un_holocaust

Then we skip to the end of the article....

Hamas frequently accuses the U.N. of spreading immorality, and unknown assailants have attacked the agency's property in the past, including the torching of summer camps last year.

Since Hamas seized power of Gaza in 2007, it has viewed the U.N. as the main challenger to their influence in the coastal territory. Officials have tried to limit the international group's vast influence in Gaza, where it operates schools for some 200,000 children.

But the controversy over teaching the Holocaust in Gaza is more than a power struggle between the U.N. and Hamas.

Many Palestinians are reluctant to acknowledge Jewish suffering, fearing it would diminish recognition of their own claims. Views range from outright denial to challenging the scope of the Holocaust.

Even Hamas' bitter enemy, the Western-backed Palestinian Authority, which rules the West Bank, reacted angrily to the U.N. plan. And the Palestinian Liberation Organization, the chief body tasked with negotiating peace with Israel, rejected the idea.

"Teaching the Holocaust to Palestinian students in U.N. schools is unacceptable," said Zakaria al-Agha, a member of the PLO's executive committee.

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev called the Palestinian responses "obscene." Israelis consider the Holocaust a central event in modern Jewish history.

Vice president Elan Steinberg of the U.S.-based American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants described the responses as a "reprehensible effort to inject political hate into a program whose basis is universal lessons of ethical behavior and human rights."

Some 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis during World War II, and the need to find a sanctuary for hundreds of thousands of Holocaust survivors contributed to Israel's creation after World War II.

In a war that followed Israel's declaration of independence, more than 700,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled from their homes.

The Palestinians call this dispersal their "Nakba," or catastrophe, and many see the events linked. As such, recognizing the Holocaust is often seen as tantamount to acknowledging Jewish claims to the land.

Israeli officials have long said that Palestinian recognition of Jewish suffering is a necessary step toward peace. But for Gaza residents, empathy is particularly difficult: Most of the territory's 1.5 million residents live in poverty, facing Israeli restrictions in commerce and travel, and hundreds of civilians were killed in an Israeli military offensive against Hamas two years ago, aimed at stopping daily rocket attacks at Israel by Gaza militants.

Yet even if the U.N. moves ahead with the plan this year, it could face another obstacle: its own schoolteachers.

In about a dozen interviews, they said they did not want to teach the materials and warned of rebellion.

"The agency will open the gates of hell with this step," said one schoolteacher, Sami. "This will not work."
 
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I would agree that Palestinian and Israeli children should learn of the Holocaust. But while they are at it they should also lean of the Palestinian Halocaust Israeli inflicted on the Palestinians.
 
Can we also teach them that there is no such thing as a palestinian and that they just arabs that the other arab countries don't want?
 
It would be swell to teach the Palestinian kids living in Gaza about the Holocaust, I think it is quite important, really...

But I think it will mean nothing to them, really, because they are currently starving and living under prison conditions. They really have no frame of reference, and you have to imagine that it is essentially impossible for them to feel sympathy for their occupiers.

"yes, we have occupied you illegally for 30 years now--yes we starve you and bomb your household--but please--this is how our Grandparents have suffered decades and decades before you were born!"

yeah, it really wouldn't matter...

Teaching it as a lie--well, of course that would be fucked up. Doesn't seem to be the case here, though.
 
It would be swell to teach the Palestinian kids living in Gaza about the Holocaust, I think it is quite important, really...

But I think it will mean nothing to them, really, because they are currently starving and living under prison conditions. They really have no frame of reference, and you have to imagine that it is essentially impossible for them to feel sympathy for their occupiers.

"yes, we have occupied you illegally for 30 years now--yes we starve you and bomb your household--but please--this is how our Grandparents have suffered decades and decades before you were born!"

yeah, it really wouldn't matter...

Teaching it as a lie--well, of course that would be fucked up. Doesn't seem to be the case here, though.

More like you and your leaders don't want to live peacefully side to side with Jews so you suffer here.
 
I would agree that Palestinian and Israeli children should learn of the Holocaust. But while they are at it they should also lean of the Palestinian Halocaust Israeli inflicted on the Palestinians.
Ensure that the role of the Arab nations is also explained.

Land grab that backfired.
 
Just as long as the UN teaches how the land that is currently known as the state of Israel was taken from Arabs that were living there prior to 1948 to form the state.
 
The other thing to mention is the fact that Europe was basically responsible of causing the Nazi lead holocaust, and instead of owning up to damage Europe caused, Europe instead foisted off their refugee problems on the very Arabs who did not cause the Nazi Holocaust.
 
They should teach the history of the holocaust to everyone, as a major event in world history (not affecting only Jews, but Communists, gays, Gypsies, the handicapped...)

But yes, there are other important things not well taught as well.

Our Turkish allies don't have a lot to say about their own Armenian genocide, for example.

I doubt Israeli children are taught much sympathetic to Palestinian suffering.
 
I disagree with this; if anything the Palestinians will probably use the teaching as a "how-to" if not seeking to improve on the methods used in the original.
 
More like you and your leaders don't want to live peacefully side to side with Jews so you suffer here.

So in your mind, it totally improbably that the nation of Israel is totally inculpable in the absence of peace.

what a load of fucking horseshit.

This is about Israel--not Jews.

But yes--Hamas is a huge fucking problem for stability. Unfortunately for the Palestinians, though, they are the only organization that has successfully offered their people some measure of security and social structure. Sad, but true. A deposed and terrorized population will generally do whatever it takes to keep its children alive.
 
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They should teach the history of the holocaust to everyone, as a major event in world history (not affecting only Jews, but Communists, gays, Gypsies, the handicapped...)

that is foolish. we all know that the murder of 7 million is greater than the murder of that other 5 million. No one cares about 5 million. We only learn about 7 million, because only Jews were murdered in the Holocaust.

you must be making this up.
 
the Palestinians are getting a first hand look at what the holocaust feels like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4ruOfA0wrI

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/22/us-israel-gaza-killed-idUSTRE72L3S920110322

oh wait wait wait, why am i not creating new threads with these?! hold up brb...

Wow such a close comparison to:

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These people are xenophobes who don't want to hear the truth. You might as well insist on trying to teach the theory of evolution to the children of Christian fundamentalists. Their parents and the mullahs will just insist its all Jewish lies.

The only way to effectively combat that kind of extreme xenophobia is to expose their children to other ways of thinking as much as possible. That includes encouraging them to think for themselves and giving them access to outside ideas via the internet or whatever.
 
that is foolish. we all know that the murder of 7 million is greater than the murder of that other 5 million. No one cares about 5 million. We only learn about 7 million, because only Jews were murdered in the Holocaust.

you must be making this up.

It's not murder when they are shooting guns and lobbing rockets at you, let alone be human.
 
Its really ironic, when the Nazi platform was to declare Jews and other undesirables must be eliminated due to a predisposed genetic heritage.

And then to wake up some 30 plus years later and find the Israeli State is dedicated to the principle that the Palestinian people are a forever nonredeemable group based on the same hereditary defects. And somehow, an Israeli child born inside Israel has human rights, and that same Palestinian child born inside Israel is forever guilty of the sins of their parents.

There is not a dime worth of difference between German Nazis and Bozo Netanyuhu Nazis. Both base their creed on hereditary guilt, and once that hereditary guilt is a forgone conclusion, any amount of inhumanity and theft becomes morally justifiable.
 
Its really ironic, when the Nazi platform was to declare Jews and other undesirables must be eliminated due to a predisposed genetic heritage.

And then to wake up some 30 plus years later and find the Israeli State is dedicated to the principle that the Palestinian people are a forever nonredeemable group based on the same hereditary defects. And somehow, an Israeli child born inside Israel has human rights, and that same Palestinian child born inside Israel is forever guilty of the sins of their parents.

There is not a dime worth of difference between German Nazis and Bozo Netanyuhu Nazis. Both base their creed on hereditary guilt, and once that hereditary guilt is a forgone conclusion, any amount of inhumanity and theft becomes morally justifiable.

I'd say you are defective if you attach a bomb on yourself and blow it up at a cafe, and keep voting for leadership that wishes to end Israel.
 
Its really ironic, when the Nazi platform was to declare Jews and other undesirables must be eliminated due to a predisposed genetic heritage.

And then to wake up some 30 plus years later and find the Israeli State is dedicated to the principle that the Palestinian people are a forever nonredeemable group based on the same hereditary defects. And somehow, an Israeli child born inside Israel has human rights, and that same Palestinian child born inside Israel is forever guilty of the sins of their parents.

There is not a dime worth of difference between German Nazis and Bozo Netanyuhu Nazis. Both base their creed on hereditary guilt, and once that hereditary guilt is a forgone conclusion, any amount of inhumanity and theft becomes morally justifiable.

oh really? Hmm, I guess I have it backwards then. I always seem to remember each leader of Hasmas and a lot of Arab nations as well openly calling for the elimination of Israel. Maybe I was hearing things.
 
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