Hamas admits to using human shields "Woman and Children should be proud to die!"

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: the unknown

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: the unknown

So you propose killing 4 million people in a mass genocide. Thank you for your input. It is no longer required.

Keep getting emotional about this. This is not genocide. The killing will stop as soon as they surrender, and the only way that is going to happen is through overwhelming force.

So if one fights back against genocide it makes it not genocide?

*sigh* This is not genocide. Breaking the enemy's will to fight is not genocide. Keep getting emotional about this. Keep trying to turn every conflict you see into a "mass genocide". It will get you no where.

No, but what you said was. Include the whole quote next time, don't leave anything out. I also never said it was. You're twisting my words in a pathetic attempt to de-value my words.

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Hammering at them is an ineffective tactic. As you stated, that will turn more and more people to the cause. The solution to this is to not just 'hammer' at them, but to completely destroy them. As long as people think they have a chance at victory they will continue to fight. Chipping away at a "grass roots" military movement is impossible. Their will must be crushed under overwhelming and unrestrained force. There is no other solution.

I don't quote entire posts because it turns the thread into a nested quote nightmare. Everyone can read my posts, and see what I was responding to.

You are nitpicking at my words. I shall make things clear for you: In order to win this fight, Israel must use overwhelming and unrestricted force to break the Palestinians will to fight.

Is that clear? THERE IS NO GENOCIDE.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE
Do you even know what a genocide is or are you trying to use big words?

This is genocide:

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
The solution to this is to not just 'hammer' at them, but to completely destroy them.

Completely destroy there will and ability to fight? Sure, that's fair. No one said anything about killing every single palestinian, but to destroy there will to fight Israel and destroy there ability to fight Israel with a show of force that makes them reconsider there life is not genocide.

 

[the unknown]

And so the thread comes back full circle. As long as "Hamas admits to using human shields 'Woman and Children should be proud to die!'" there is no way to destroy their will and ability to fight. Fighting such an enemy the way you are proposing would result in such large civilian casualties it would be outrageous. Israel will never do this.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE
Do you even know what a genocide is or are you trying to use big words?

This is genocide:

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
The solution to this is to not just 'hammer' at them, but to completely destroy them.

Completely destroy there will and ability to fight?

With the understanding that:

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Hammering at them is an ineffective tactic. As you stated, that will turn more and more people to the cause.

Yes, that is the path to genocide.

Originally posted by: theflyingpig
No one said anything about killing every single palestinian...

Here is another:

Originally posted by: JS80
Either you kill all palestinians or all jews to get to absolute peace. If you had to choose, who you would you choose? And you can't choose "kill them all" you have to pick one.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: the unknown
And so the thread comes back full circle. As long as "Hamas admits to using human shields 'Woman and Children should be proud to die!'" there is no way to destroy their will and ability to fight. Fighting such an enemy the way you are proposing would result in such large civilian casualties it would be outrageous. Israel will never do this.

Hopefully Israel will complete its mission with minimal civilian causalities. Already Arab will is changing as we see from leaders in the Palestinian community to call for an end to the rocket attacks by Hamas.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: the unknown
And so the thread comes back full circle. As long as "Hamas admits to using human shields 'Woman and Children should be proud to die!'" there is no way to destroy their will and ability to fight. Fighting such an enemy the way you are proposing would result in such large civilian casualties it would be outrageous. Israel will never do this.

It would result in large civilian casualties, but it would definitely break their will to fight and end this conflict. You are right about one thing though, Israel probably will never use these tactics. So this madness will continue.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: the unknown

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: the unknown

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: the unknown
Oh yes. Genocide is always the answer. Israel should take over Poland afterwards too. Because that's what your advocating-- this isn't a conventional army. It doesn't work the way you're saying it does.

Exhibit #1:
Dictionary definition of Genocide: the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Exhibit #2:
Population census: Palestinian population up 30 pct in a decade-census

Conclusion:
Worst genocide ever!

Alas, 'tis the season for words like genocide, holocaust, slaughter, and massacre to be thrown around without any thought.

Quick! Give the palestinians a few more billions in aid because Suha Aarafat is running out of makeup.

404 genocide not found
Rat infestation found
lulz unkown got pwned

It's right there. Bolded. Nation. Yes, Palestine is a nation recognized by the UN. The second part is irrelevant.

Calling a mostly civilian population a rat infestation is dehumanizing and disturbing.

Do you usually cut sentences up to make your own meanings? Usually a sentence ends at the period, as such you are suppose to read the entire sentence. In this example, national is to be followed by group. So National group, which means the people of Palestine who have increase in number since the "genocide lol" started.

I never said a genocide started. Don't twist my words. Arguing about semantics isn't my deal either. It's quite plain to see that Israel will never completely obliterate Palestine; they have the whole international community watching every move. This discussion has gone off the deep end.

No it hasn't, just because someone asks you to back up your ideas about genocide doesn't mean the discussion has gone off the deep end. I'm just curious how a genocide is taking place in a positive population environment? Would be a first for everything I would think 🙂

Um, I think the unknown may have been responding to theflyingpig, who stated

Oh, I am serious. Force is the only way to end this madness. Anything else will just prolong the slaughter.

then the unknown says

Oh yes. Genocide is always the answer. Israel should take over Poland afterwards too. Because that's what your advocating-- this isn't a conventional army. It doesn't work the way you're saying it does.

Implying that theflyingpig's suggestion of wiping out Palestine (which would be gencide) is a something that wouldn't fly in the world community.
the unknown never stated that the genocide had already started, but was responding to someone who said genocide should be the answer (but didn't quote them in their response is all)

Correct me if I'm wrong the unknown.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: the unknown
And so the thread comes back full circle. As long as "Hamas admits to using human shields 'Woman and Children should be proud to die!'" there is no way to destroy their will and ability to fight. Fighting such an enemy the way you are proposing would result in such large civilian casualties it would be outrageous. Israel will never do this.

Sure there is you let civilians leave the war zone. Of course Israel would never do that either.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: the unknown
And so the thread comes back full circle. As long as "Hamas admits to using human shields 'Woman and Children should be proud to die!'" there is no way to destroy their will and ability to fight. Fighting such an enemy the way you are proposing would result in such large civilian casualties it would be outrageous. Israel will never do this.

So faced with such an enemy, is the only solution diplomatic? What if this enemy proposes unreasonable demands?

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: the unknown
And so the thread comes back full circle. As long as "Hamas admits to using human shields 'Woman and Children should be proud to die!'" there is no way to destroy their will and ability to fight. Fighting such an enemy the way you are proposing would result in such large civilian casualties it would be outrageous. Israel will never do this.

Sure there is you let civilians leave the war zone. Of course Israel would never do that either.

If these people are Israel's enemy, who democratically elected a government calling for Israel's demise, why should Israel let them out? And more importantly, as already asked, why won't Egypt take them in?

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: the unknown
And so the thread comes back full circle. As long as "Hamas admits to using human shields 'Woman and Children should be proud to die!'" there is no way to destroy their will and ability to fight. Fighting such an enemy the way you are proposing would result in such large civilian casualties it would be outrageous. Israel will never do this.

Sure there is you let civilians leave the war zone. Of course Israel would never do that either.

Hamas' tactics make this impossible. They have brought their own civilians into this fight.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Already Arab will is changing as we see from leaders in the Palestinian community to call for an end to the rocket attacks by Hamas.

Yet as long as any possibly of Palestinians ever establishing a sovereign nation is being actively crushed by Israelis ongoing colonization of the West Bank, there will be some portion of the Arab population who insist on attacking Israel. Then, as Israelis ongoing colonization of Palestinian land continues, more Arabs will be drawn to supporting that cause and the attacks will grow. Then Israel will stomp down on those who attack, and the innocent lives lost in the crossfire will lead Arab leaders will call for an end to attacks on Israel. Then that cycle repeats, as it has been doing so for decades now. Is that the progress you hope for?

 

[the unknown]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: the unknown
And so the thread comes back full circle. As long as "Hamas admits to using human shields 'Woman and Children should be proud to die!'" there is no way to destroy their will and ability to fight. Fighting such an enemy the way you are proposing would result in such large civilian casualties it would be outrageous. Israel will never do this.

Sure there is you let civilians leave the war zone. Of course Israel would never do that either.

If these people are Israel's enemy, who democratically elected a government calling for Israel's demise, why should Israel let them out? And more importantly, as already asked, why won't Egypt take them in?

Noone will take them because they're refugees. Noone wants them. Cetainly not Israel. They're constantly pushing to take more land from them. Or they used to anyways. Egypt probably doesn't want to take any part of it.

The solution is very unlikely to be diplomatic, as they've tried just about everything. Niether side is willing to make enough concessions for it to work. That area has been in perpetual war since BCE, I say if it's only in the few hundrers being killed, just stay the hell out of it.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE
Already Arab will is changing as we see from leaders in the Palestinian community to call for an end to the rocket attacks by Hamas.

Yet as long as any possibly of Palestinians ever establishing a sovereign nation is being actively crushed by Israelis ongoing colonization of the West Bank, there will be some portion of the Arab population who insist on attacking Israel. Then, as Israelis ongoing colonization of Palestinian land continues, more Arabs will be drawn to supporting that cause and the attacks will grow. Then Israel will stomp down on those who attack, and the innocent lives lost in the crossfire will lead Arab leaders will call for an end to attacks on Israel. Then that cycle repeats, as it has been doing so for decades now. Is that the progress you hope for?

Where in the last 60 years has any called into question any attack on Israel.

You are just blabbering now, try making some sense. Israel except for a few hundred houses has stopped colonizing and has actually been taken steps to remove citizens. You have to be the most ignorant fool in the world to think Israel if it wanted too, couldn't destroy most of Palestine and begin setting up homes in a few months. Why go through all this trouble if that is what it wanted?

You need to try thinking.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: the unknown
And so the thread comes back full circle. As long as "Hamas admits to using human shields 'Woman and Children should be proud to die!'" there is no way to destroy their will and ability to fight. Fighting such an enemy the way you are proposing would result in such large civilian casualties it would be outrageous. Israel will never do this.

Sure there is you let civilians leave the war zone. Of course Israel would never do that either.

Hamas' tactics make this impossible. They have brought their own civilians into this fight.

Setting up a refuge camp for civilians who do wish to flee the conflict is not impossible for Israel by any stretch. Granted, it would be a futile attempt to address the effects of the conflict while ignoring the cause, as the majority of the population in Gaza are refugees from land Israel previously conquered.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: the unknown

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: the unknown
And so the thread comes back full circle. As long as "Hamas admits to using human shields 'Woman and Children should be proud to die!'" there is no way to destroy their will and ability to fight. Fighting such an enemy the way you are proposing would result in such large civilian casualties it would be outrageous. Israel will never do this.

Sure there is you let civilians leave the war zone. Of course Israel would never do that either.

If these people are Israel's enemy, who democratically elected a government calling for Israel's demise, why should Israel let them out? And more importantly, as already asked, why won't Egypt take them in?

Noone will take them because they're refugees. Noone wants them. Cetainly not Israel. They're constantly pushing to take more land from them. Or they used to anyways. Egypt probably doesn't want to take any part of it.

The solution is very unlikely to be diplomatic, as they've tried just about everything. Niether side is willing to make enough concessions for it to work. That area has been in perpetual war since BCE, I say if it's only in the few hundrers being killed, just stay the hell out of it.

So what is Gaza supposed to give up? Lets be clear Israel refuses to give up anything significant, and Palestinians have nothing to lose.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: the unknown
And so the thread comes back full circle. As long as "Hamas admits to using human shields 'Woman and Children should be proud to die!'" there is no way to destroy their will and ability to fight. Fighting such an enemy the way you are proposing would result in such large civilian casualties it would be outrageous. Israel will never do this.

Sure there is you let civilians leave the war zone. Of course Israel would never do that either.

If these people are Israel's enemy, who democratically elected a government calling for Israel's demise, why should Israel let them out? And more importantly, as already asked, why won't Egypt take them in?

So now children and woman are your enemy?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: the unknown
And so the thread comes back full circle. As long as "Hamas admits to using human shields 'Woman and Children should be proud to die!'" there is no way to destroy their will and ability to fight. Fighting such an enemy the way you are proposing would result in such large civilian casualties it would be outrageous. Israel will never do this.

Sure there is you let civilians leave the war zone. Of course Israel would never do that either.

Hamas' tactics make this impossible. They have brought their own civilians into this fight.

Setting up a refuge camp for civilians who do wish to flee the conflict is not impossible for Israel by any stretch. Granted, it would be a futile attempt to address the effects of the conflict while ignoring the cause, as the majority of the population in Gaza are refugees from land Israel previously conquered.

Poor Palestine full of 70 year olds 🙁

Or maybe the were some of the Arabs who chased the Jews off there farms in the 1910-1920's :Q

Give up the history lesson, its a bullshit excuse.

You ready to move out of your house if a native decides the land you live on use to belong to his family?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: the unknown
And so the thread comes back full circle. As long as "Hamas admits to using human shields 'Woman and Children should be proud to die!'" there is no way to destroy their will and ability to fight. Fighting such an enemy the way you are proposing would result in such large civilian casualties it would be outrageous. Israel will never do this.

Sure there is you let civilians leave the war zone. Of course Israel would never do that either.

If these people are Israel's enemy, who democratically elected a government calling for Israel's demise, why should Israel let them out? And more importantly, as already asked, why won't Egypt take them in?

So now children and woman are your enemy?

Does it matter? You support Hamas purposefully using them as human shields. Don't get all emotional about the sanctity of life on us now.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Where in the last 60 years has any called into question any attack on Israel.

Try Google, it only took me a matter of seconds to find this example from two years ago:

Viewing with deep concern the bloody, painful events currently taking place in Palestine and Lebanon, the kingdom would like to clearly announce that a difference should be drawn between legitimate resistance and miscalculated adventures carried out by elements inside the state and those behind them without consultation with the legitimate authority in their state and without consultation or coordination with Arab countries, thus creating a gravely dangerous situation exposing all Arab countries and their achievements to destruction with those countries having no say.



The kingdom views that it is time that these elements alone bear the full responsibility of these irresponsible acts and should alone shoulder the burden of ending the crisis they have created.

http://www.mofa.gov.sa/detail....84&InTemplateKey=print

Originally posted by: RichardE
You are just blabbering now, try making some sense. Israel except for a few hundred houses has stopped colonizing and has actually been taken steps to remove citizens. You have to be the most ignorant fool in the world to think Israel if it wanted too, couldn't destroy most of Palestine and begin setting up homes in a few months. Why go through all this trouble if that is what it wanted?

Check yourself, I never suggested Israel wants to kill any Palestinians. However, that does nothing to change the fact that Israel continues to kill whoever stands in the way of their ongoing colonization of Palestinian land.

Originally posted by: RichardE

You need to try thinking.

I do a good bit of thinking, and I'd aprecate it if you you could at least bring yourself to acknolage that.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Israelis use human shields to. Granted, there are investigations when it gets caught on tape, but it doesn't seem to change much:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/867486.html

Actually, the claim that the civilian settlers in the West Bank are there as a buffer zone makes those settlements effectively one giant human shield.

Your moral superiorly is an illusion built on military supremacy.

ha!!!! A 2 year old article that proves nothing???

rofl........

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: the unknown
And so the thread comes back full circle. As long as "Hamas admits to using human shields 'Woman and Children should be proud to die!'" there is no way to destroy their will and ability to fight. Fighting such an enemy the way you are proposing would result in such large civilian casualties it would be outrageous. Israel will never do this.

Sure there is you let civilians leave the war zone. Of course Israel would never do that either.

If these people are Israel's enemy, who democratically elected a government calling for Israel's demise, why should Israel let them out? And more importantly, as already asked, why won't Egypt take them in?

So now children and woman are your enemy?

Does it matter? You support Hamas purposefully using them as human shields. Don't get all emotional about the sanctity of life on us now.

Uh where did I support Hamas using human shields?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: the unknown
Oh yes. Genocide is always the answer. Israel should take over Poland afterwards too. Because that's what your advocating-- this isn't a conventional army. It doesn't work the way you're saying it does.

so you know how thos works??
Please enlighten us!!

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Poor Palestine full of 70 year olds 🙁

Being born in refugee camp doesn't may one anything less than a refugee.

Originally posted by: RichardE
Or maybe the were some of the Arabs who chased the Jews off there farms in the 1910-1920's :Q

Give up the history lesson, its a bullshit excuse.

Maybe? Some? What was that you presented there other than a bullshit excuse?

Originally posted by: RichardE
You ready to move out of your house if a native decides the land you live on use to belong to his family?

That is a excellent question to ask yourself in regard to Israel's ongoing colonization of the West Bank.

With one of my great grandmothers was a full blooded Cherokee, I had answer that question for myself long before I ever realized Israel continues to colonize Palestinian land.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
OP, how many threads on this crap are really needed? I view the IDF as simply a better armed and technologically superior version of Hamas. Nothing more, nothing less. One can always try to rationalize and justify why innocents need to be bombed and killed ("we need to go after Hamas", or "they keep firing rockets" etc), but the bottom line is that indiscriminately killing innocents in the pursuit of some vague goal makes IDF no different than Hamas.

Either way, you can combine the 50 threads on this to one thread.

Your views are skewered.
It`s a known fact that Hamas hides among innocent civilians...

It`s only an unproved allegation that the Israeli army did the same...

Climb back under the rock you came from!!