I'm making the call since CNN is slow and the rest are too chicken
click on GOVERNOR MISSISSIPPI
80% reporting and Barbour has a 56K lead. 53%-45%
CkG
click on GOVERNOR MISSISSIPPI
80% reporting and Barbour has a 56K lead. 53%-45%
CkG
Haley Barbour wins Mississippi governor race
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Dick Cheney and Rudy Guiliani campaigned for Haley in Mississippi. Bush came as well . . . to a state he won by over 10pts. Both Kentucky and Mississippi were victories where the GOP called for change due to the poor fiscal management of state government. I wouldn't say that bodes well for Bush.
Mississippi has only had one other republican governor in the last 100 years....
Kentucky has had only 5 republican governors in the last 100 years......
explain to me again how this is a bad thing for Bush? how would it have been better if
Democrats had won these governorships?
i think that there is a overwhelming conservative trend present in U.S. politics at the moment, and that these governship results support this view.
the economy is improving
the stock market is rebounding
California has removed a Democrat from the governorship and replaced him with a Republican.
all these events help. not hurt, Pres. Bush.
i state again...
i am baffled how electing a republican governor for a state can be "spun" into being something that is "bad" for a incumbent
republican president.
i am baffled how electing a republican governor for a state can be "spun" into being something that is "bad" for a incumbent
republican president.
If you ignore the criticism in KY, "we need to bring honor back to Frankfurt" (previous Democratic governor wass having an affair).
And then ignore the criticism in MS, "we need to keep the flag and get rid of the governor" (Democrat Musgrove lobbied for a failed initiative to remove a Confederate flag insert from the state flag).
The primary criticism in both states was failed policy. In particular dealing with growing budget deficits and stagnant employment. Curiously, last time I checked the federal government was running record budget deficits (by $ not as a % of GDP . . . yet) AND employment is not only stagnant but many of the unemployed have been unemployed for an extended period.
It would have been a disaster (maybe) if Bush had campaigned in those states and the GOP candidates lost. But the GOP success (in these races) has just as much to do with outspending their opponents and the sorry condition of the respective states . . . as it does with Bush popularity . . . in those states. I fully expect Bush to win KY/MS . . . and likely much of the South. Hopefully, the rest of the nation . . . you know states ranking in the upper half in socioeconomic, health, and education status will have a different opinion.
And then ignore the criticism in MS, "we need to keep the flag and get rid of the governor" (Democrat Musgrove lobbied for a failed initiative to remove a Confederate flag insert from the state flag).
The primary criticism in both states was failed policy. In particular dealing with growing budget deficits and stagnant employment. Curiously, last time I checked the federal government was running record budget deficits (by $ not as a % of GDP . . . yet) AND employment is not only stagnant but many of the unemployed have been unemployed for an extended period.
It would have been a disaster (maybe) if Bush had campaigned in those states and the GOP candidates lost. But the GOP success (in these races) has just as much to do with outspending their opponents and the sorry condition of the respective states . . . as it does with Bush popularity . . . in those states. I fully expect Bush to win KY/MS . . . and likely much of the South. Hopefully, the rest of the nation . . . you know states ranking in the upper half in socioeconomic, health, and education status will have a different opinion.
In your mind then, Bush loses no matter what the results. You should write spin for the DNC. Everything will always come up roses.
Well let me try again:
KY/MS: "The state (and by extension national) economy sux but let's keep the Dems anyway"; that indeed would be bad for Bush Leaguers if (as happened) the President, Vice President, First Lady, and any other national GOP figure with a pulse were campaigning for the GOP candidates.
KY/MS: "The state economy sux so let's change leadership"; that could be good or bad for Bush Leaguers . . . (for instance if either state has a substantial number of textile/manufacturing jobs lost during Bush's term) . . . many of those voicing displeasure for Democratic governors may have equal disdain for Bush economic policy. You know the Bush that has tariffs for PA steel but barely a peep about jobs in low yield electoral states.
KY/MS: "The state/national economy sux but that doesn't matter we just love George W and Rudy"; that would be an unqualified endorsement of Bush and would certainly bode well for 2004. Personally, I don't think KY/MS voters are that dense but you never know.
KY/MS: "The state (and by extension national) economy sux but let's keep the Dems anyway"; that indeed would be bad for Bush Leaguers if (as happened) the President, Vice President, First Lady, and any other national GOP figure with a pulse were campaigning for the GOP candidates.
KY/MS: "The state economy sux so let's change leadership"; that could be good or bad for Bush Leaguers . . . (for instance if either state has a substantial number of textile/manufacturing jobs lost during Bush's term) . . . many of those voicing displeasure for Democratic governors may have equal disdain for Bush economic policy. You know the Bush that has tariffs for PA steel but barely a peep about jobs in low yield electoral states.
KY/MS: "The state/national economy sux but that doesn't matter we just love George W and Rudy"; that would be an unqualified endorsement of Bush and would certainly bode well for 2004. Personally, I don't think KY/MS voters are that dense but you never know.
let me make this completely unambigious..
it was a very good thing that Republicans won Ky and MS
governorships, for Bush.
it was a very bad thing for democrats.
the refusal of the dems to confirm (or even vote) on Pickering
had a major influence on the outcome in MS. Pickering's son
is a popular congressman from MS.
MS was won by Gore in 2000. I suspect Bush will take this state in 2004.
As Oscar Wilde observed, "In America, the young are always ready to give those who are older than themselves the full benefits of their inexperience."
this forum would make Oscar proud.
it was a very good thing that Republicans won Ky and MS
governorships, for Bush.
it was a very bad thing for democrats.
the refusal of the dems to confirm (or even vote) on Pickering
had a major influence on the outcome in MS. Pickering's son
is a popular congressman from MS.
MS was won by Gore in 2000. I suspect Bush will take this state in 2004.
As Oscar Wilde observed, "In America, the young are always ready to give those who are older than themselves the full benefits of their inexperience."
this forum would make Oscar proud.
let me make this completely unambigious..
it was a very good thing that Republicans won Ky and MS
governorships, for Bush.
it was a very bad thing for democrats.
the refusal of the dems to confirm (or even vote) on Pickering
had a major influence on the outcome in MS. Pickering's son
is a popular congressman from MS.
I suspect Bush will take this state in 2004.
As Oscar Wilde observed, "In America, the young are always ready to give those who are older than themselves the full benefits of their inexperience."
this forum would make Oscar proud.
it was a very good thing that Republicans won Ky and MS
governorships, for Bush.
it was a very bad thing for democrats.
the refusal of the dems to confirm (or even vote) on Pickering
had a major influence on the outcome in MS. Pickering's son
is a popular congressman from MS.
I suspect Bush will take this state in 2004.
As Oscar Wilde observed, "In America, the young are always ready to give those who are older than themselves the full benefits of their inexperience."
this forum would make Oscar proud.
Well, if hearsurgeon couldn't detail the steps of a PDA ligation I might question him . . . then again a lot of pediatric surgeons perform that procedure.
As for the facts of his post . . .
FEC Election 2000 results
MS 2,009
2,265
572,844
404,614
The big number is Bush the less big number is Gore . . . maybe heartsurgeon meant that MOST of the people in MS wanted Gore to win. That's somewhat believable but they didn't vote so that's just wishful thinking.
IMO, money and star power had a lot more to do with Barbour's win than Pickering.
As for the facts of his post . . .
I might question heartsurgeons color-coding skills or maybe his arithmetic skills or maybe he just got excited . . . but I wouldn't expect that from a man with the ethos . . . "a chance to cut is a chance to cure"
FEC Election 2000 results
MS 2,009
2,265
572,844
404,614
The big number is Bush the less big number is Gore . . . maybe heartsurgeon meant that MOST of the people in MS wanted Gore to win. That's somewhat believable but they didn't vote so that's just wishful thinking.
Somewhat believable but I doubt it. Most "popular" Congressmen do not have broad bases of support . . . if they did they are often called "Governor", "Senator", or "Luscious Lydia". My understanding is that Pickering (the judge) has broad support in MS. But it would be downright retarded to blame Musgrove for the actions of Charles Schumer . . . a man he's likely never met and may have next to nothing in common other than party affiliation.
IMO, money and star power had a lot more to do with Barbour's win than Pickering.
It was clearly better than having Republicans lose. If GOP candidates lost in these states despite the heavyweight barnstorming AND significant campaign cash advantage . . . that would have been very bad for Bush. All Bush has is image (since reality sux) and money. Clearly, KY and MS were looking for a change in direction. If voters have a similar ethos in 2004 . . . that does not bode well for incumbents.
The most important number from 2000 FEC site . . .
2,912,790
2,912,253
. . . voting matters . . . a lot.
2,912,790
2,912,253
. . . voting matters . . . a lot.
That's not an Electoral College map . . . the electoral college awards votes by state NOT county and NOT land mass. If that was the case AK and MT would be the top destinations for candidates . . . few people but a whole lot of acreage.
Never said it was an electoral college map. Just pointed to a map which shows why it "matters...a lot"
CkG
You said,
And then you said,
Dude that's like linking to a
pretty and then claiming you never called it a lady . . . just pretty.
Your presentation still does jibe b/c arguably this election came down to a few votes (or voting machines . . . Diebold anyone) in FL. A map of West Palm Beach would have been more pertinent than your electoral college
And then you said,
Dude that's like linking to a
pretty and then claiming you never called it a lady . . . just pretty.
Your presentation still does jibe b/c arguably this election came down to a few votes (or voting machines . . . Diebold anyone) in FL. A map of West Palm Beach would have been more pertinent than your electoral college
Schadenfroh
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Well considering Haley Barbour campaigned on bringing the bacon from DC (b/c he has connections) I guess MSians' prospects are looking up.
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