http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/6/16/11554
I think I see how you do this BOB. just post a link right?
I think I see how you do this BOB. just post a link right?
HAHA. A better one.
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LunarRay
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Then you opine on it or something..
The intel was awful... that's why I wonder why Bush both knew it and used it to invade Iraq. Seems strange to me don't it seem odd to you. The intel continues to be awfull so it must be able to justify the next comming.
Yeah, that's it Tal. You catch on real fast. Bright boy. Let people read and post their opinions.
Hillary Clinton. What a brave, honest lady! And Bill Clinton! Looks like HE took care of the WMD Bush is still looking for.
Ahhhh, to have the Clintons back in the White House again. And that ne'er do well Bush back in the dust bowl.
I miss the Clintons too. I remember that one time, in the white house, when Hillary was singing a different tune about congressional investigations. Funny how she changes her "brave, honest" mind with the wind.
Funny, I think we could say the same thing about how the Dems are behaving. But, gotta have a double standard and all. When Hillary and Billy do something bad and we call them on it, we're withc hunting, but when she is leading the hunt, it's a bipartisan investigation into matters that the public has a right to know the truth, blah blah blah. Thanks for explaining it.
No, a congressional investigation into the sex life of the President is a witch hunt. A congressional investigation into the reasons for a military invasion isn't. To suggest that an inquiry is an inquiry is an inquiry, no matter the subject, is idiotic.
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Tal,
I miss the Clintons too. I remember that one time, in the white house, when Hillary was singing a different tune about congressional investigations. Funny how she changes her "brave, honest" mind with the wind.
I don't recall investigations into Iraqi or Afganistan invasions during the Clinton White house... must have been something else.
I miss the Clintons too. I remember that one time, in the white house, when Hillary was singing a different tune about congressional investigations. Funny how she changes her "brave, honest" mind with the wind.
I don't recall investigations into Iraqi or Afganistan invasions during the Clinton White house... must have been something else.
What ever happened to the investigation of that factory in Sudan that Clinton had bombed based on intelligence that it was making weapons?
Double standard?
Double standard?
You did a pretty good job of explaining it but let me help you on a few points.
After wasting $60 million taxpayer $ there was no evidence to support any charges against the Clintons. Until some Republican voyeurs began hiding between the sheets and stuck their noses where they didn't belong.
But we're not talking about a BJ now. We're talking about invading a sovereign nation - first strike - on intelligence information that is either faulty or deliberately misused. If faulty we better get it fixed before Sept 11 rolls around again. If deliberately misused to mislead Americans we need to fix that too. This investigation wont be conducted from under a bed hoping to see a BJ. If you can't tell the difference you better get one.
"I think that F%*#$&G nazis like you who suggest someone leave the country they were born in and are a free citizen of should be the first ones deported." -BOBDN, on international relations.
That's not international relations, genius. It'd be national policy in my perfect America. You want to deny someone their freedom? You lose yours.
Don't deny me my freedom to deny someone their freedom. Did you forget the thread that quote was from. It wasn't about denying anyone freedom bud. And good idea on the BJ. I just may go after one now that you mention it, I'll see if the wife is up for it. I can't believe you're gonna reduce the Clinton era to a BJ. There were so many other fun scandals. Let's reminice.
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Democrats and the American people in general bought into Bush's lies, a damn shame I say.
But it's rather peculiar that conservatives, now start shifting the blame towards the democrats and towards the left "AAAHHH HA! WE WERE FOOLED BUT SO WERE YOU!"
What happen to the other excuses (self delusions) for not finding weapons of mass destruction nor link to Al Qaeda?
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As I posted above I think the bigger issue revolves around... The intel was awful... that's why I wonder why Bush both knew it and used it to invade Iraq. Seems strange to me. The intel continues to be awfull and that is where current investigations are focused... about time.
sMiLeYz please. I don't wanna talk about real WMD. Can't you see the subterfuge? If I distract you... oh wait, damn. I'm not suppose to talk about "The Plan."
Isn't it a good attempt?If you believe that WMD and WMD's currently stored in Iraq were the only reasons to remove Saddam than you would have a valid point.
It now appears that the Intel on current programs was lacking. While we don't know where some of the VX nerve gas and other components went I guess it's ok to just assume that Saddam decided to play nice, or there is another possibility, and just get rid of them all so that Iraq could rejoin the world community as a full and trusted member.
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Originally posted by: Tal
sMiLeYz please. I don't wanna talk about real WMD. Can't you see the subterfuge? If I distract you... oh wait, damn. I'm not suppose to talk about "The Plan."
I dont believe in any conspiracy, if thats what you're refering to, just idiotcy and ignorance; which I see in spades from the right.
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See I told ya Etech has a sense of humor...
Nah.. according to HRJR114 there were other issues as well as WMD, however, the only one that provided the preemptive invasion scenerio consistant with self defense (UN Charter article 51)was the WMD. I suppose the nerve gas might be anywhere and I doubt 'destroy' any more than 'playing nice' was part of his thinking.
We had to justify unilateral invasion with self defense and the issue is (to me) It sounds weak to use an Intel capability that is questionable as indicated by the Clinton bombing in '98 of the Sudan or where ever to justify an invasion... The wiggle room is in the plausability of the intel/invasion argument... we don't have clear and convincing evidence of anything and the Moonbeam Duck test, although appropriate in the absence of any direct evidence for our purposes, ain't enough to pin Bush to a wall for dart games in congress.
Originally posted by: HJD1
See I told ya Etech has a sense of humor...
Nah.. according to HRJR114 there were other issues as well as WMD, however, the only one that provided the preemptive invasion scenerio consistant with self defense (UN Charter article 51)was the WMD. I suppose the nerve gas might be anywhere and I doubt 'destroy' any more than 'playing nice' was part of his thinking.
We had to justify unilateral invasion with self defense and the issue is (to me) It sounds weak to use an Intel capability that is questionable as indicated by the Clinton bombing in '98 of the Sudan or where ever to justify an invasion... The wiggle room is in the plausability of the intel/invasion argument... we don't have clear and convincing evidence of anything and the Moonbeam Duck test, although appropriate in the absence of any direct evidence for our purposes, ain't enough to pin Bush to a wall for dart games in congress.
Tell that insane guy about my sense of humor, he seems convinced that I don't.
Ok, I'll play the straight guy and ask what is HRJR114.
Everyone seems pretty convinced that Saddam did have WMD in 1998. The question still remains, what happened to it?
Bush bought all of it, had it delivered to his ranch in Crawford TX, and is busy snorting it when he's there on "vacation"
All those years of partying raised his resistance to where it takes about a pound and a half of VX plus a couple a hits of sarin
for Bush to get a buzz.
LunarRay
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Etech, the Don Rickles of AT
Tell that insane guy about my sense of humor, he seems convinced that I don't.
Ok, I'll play the straight guy and ask what is HRJR114.
Everyone seems pretty convinced that Saddam did have WMD in 1998. The question still remains, what happened to it?[/quote]
OK..
House Resolution Against Iraq
WASHINGTON, Oct. 10, 2002
(CBS) Text of a resolution passed by the House and Senate:
Joint Resolution to Authorize the use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq.
Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;
Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism;
Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;
Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;
Whereas in 1998 Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in `material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations' and urged the President `to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations' (Public Law 105-235);
Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material an unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;
Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;
Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people;
Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;
Whereas members of al-Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;
Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens;
Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations;
Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself;
Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687, repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688, and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949;
Whereas Congress in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) has authorized the President `to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677';
Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it `supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1),' that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and `constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region,' and that Congress, `supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688';
Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;
Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to `work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge' posed by Iraq and to `work for the necessary resolutions,' while also making clear that `the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable';
Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;
Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;
Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;
Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and
Whereas it is in the national security of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This joint resolution may be cited as the `Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq'.
SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS.
The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the President to
(1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions applicable to Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and
(2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions.
SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to
(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.
(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
(c) WAR POWERS RESOLUTION REQUIREMENTS-
(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.
(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.
SEC. 4. REPORTS TO CONGRESS.
(a) The President shall, at least once every 60 days, submit to the Congress a report on matters relevant to this joint resolution, including actions taken pursuant to the exercise of authority granted in section 3 and the status of planning for efforts that are expected to be required after such actions are completed, including those actions described in section 7 of Public Law 105-338 (the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998).
(b) To the extent that the submission of any report described in subsection (a) coincides with the submission of any other report on matters relevant to this joint resolution otherwise required to be submitted to Congress pursuant to the reporting requirements of Public Law 93-148 (the Wap Xnwers Resolution), all such reports may be submitted as a single consolidated report to the Congress.
(c) To the extent that the information required by section 3 of Public Law 102-1 is included in the report required by this section, such report shall be considered as meeting the requirements of section 3 of Public Law 102-1.
UN charter
Article 51
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.
I have no doubt that Saddam felt secure with having WMD. I also give him credit as a pretty smart dude. So I asked myself.. self how can I win in this Bush napping to be... He knew what was ahead back in Oct '02. My bet is he hid the stuff or moved it elsewhere, perhaps giving some to the terrorist groups as a friendly gesture. He had to hope he could generate enough disinterest in the UN by allowing (after a bit of huff and puff) the inspectors in and let them look to their hearts desire... and say we destroyed it ... he had to generate some proof of destruction but how... Pouring it into the Euphrates wouldn't fly so he hoped to let that one slide into a; there ain't no proof of WMD so we'll (the UN) accept that notwithstanding the absence of proof the WMD are not found and therefore, destroyed as Saddam said. He must have figured the US wouldn't invade given assurance from his buddies, France and Russia. He misjudged the invasion. But, can still beat Bush by not having the basis for the invasion in Iraq... no WMD no self defense issue... ergo ... violation of UN Charter. Article 51 not applicable if no basis exists. So he sits and waits... little else to do. Or is dead.
We've captured Dr. Bug and Germ and whomever all of whom should have an idea about Chem WMD and location. No word yet. So it seems they were either out of the loop or no new stuff developed recently. Or they ain't talking... unlikely.. given the Doors or whatever rock group is entertaining them nowadays.
Moonbeam... etech asked me to tell that insane guy about his humor... After reading a post by Mr Etech I often find my self cleaning my monitor screen to rid it of whatever substance I might be consuming at the time. I think of Don Rickles as I read the posts and hear Don's voice as I read the words.
If etech meant Insane3D then I'd say "what and spoil all my fun" Jerry Falwell is a passive left wing commie hippy compared to etech.
Tell that insane guy about my sense of humor, he seems convinced that I don't.
Ok, I'll play the straight guy and ask what is HRJR114.
Everyone seems pretty convinced that Saddam did have WMD in 1998. The question still remains, what happened to it?[/quote]
OK..
House Resolution Against Iraq
WASHINGTON, Oct. 10, 2002
(CBS) Text of a resolution passed by the House and Senate:
Joint Resolution to Authorize the use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq.
Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;
Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism;
Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;
Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;
Whereas in 1998 Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in `material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations' and urged the President `to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations' (Public Law 105-235);
Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material an unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;
Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;
Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people;
Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;
Whereas members of al-Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;
Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens;
Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations;
Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself;
Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687, repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688, and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949;
Whereas Congress in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) has authorized the President `to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677';
Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it `supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1),' that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and `constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region,' and that Congress, `supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688';
Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;
Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to `work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge' posed by Iraq and to `work for the necessary resolutions,' while also making clear that `the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable';
Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;
Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;
Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;
Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and
Whereas it is in the national security of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This joint resolution may be cited as the `Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq'.
SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS.
The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the President to
(1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions applicable to Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and
(2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions.
SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to
(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.
(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
(c) WAR POWERS RESOLUTION REQUIREMENTS-
(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.
(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.
SEC. 4. REPORTS TO CONGRESS.
(a) The President shall, at least once every 60 days, submit to the Congress a report on matters relevant to this joint resolution, including actions taken pursuant to the exercise of authority granted in section 3 and the status of planning for efforts that are expected to be required after such actions are completed, including those actions described in section 7 of Public Law 105-338 (the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998).
(b) To the extent that the submission of any report described in subsection (a) coincides with the submission of any other report on matters relevant to this joint resolution otherwise required to be submitted to Congress pursuant to the reporting requirements of Public Law 93-148 (the Wap Xnwers Resolution), all such reports may be submitted as a single consolidated report to the Congress.
(c) To the extent that the information required by section 3 of Public Law 102-1 is included in the report required by this section, such report shall be considered as meeting the requirements of section 3 of Public Law 102-1.
UN charter
Article 51
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.
I have no doubt that Saddam felt secure with having WMD. I also give him credit as a pretty smart dude. So I asked myself.. self how can I win in this Bush napping to be... He knew what was ahead back in Oct '02. My bet is he hid the stuff or moved it elsewhere, perhaps giving some to the terrorist groups as a friendly gesture. He had to hope he could generate enough disinterest in the UN by allowing (after a bit of huff and puff) the inspectors in and let them look to their hearts desire... and say we destroyed it ... he had to generate some proof of destruction but how... Pouring it into the Euphrates wouldn't fly so he hoped to let that one slide into a; there ain't no proof of WMD so we'll (the UN) accept that notwithstanding the absence of proof the WMD are not found and therefore, destroyed as Saddam said. He must have figured the US wouldn't invade given assurance from his buddies, France and Russia. He misjudged the invasion. But, can still beat Bush by not having the basis for the invasion in Iraq... no WMD no self defense issue... ergo ... violation of UN Charter. Article 51 not applicable if no basis exists. So he sits and waits... little else to do. Or is dead.
We've captured Dr. Bug and Germ and whomever all of whom should have an idea about Chem WMD and location. No word yet. So it seems they were either out of the loop or no new stuff developed recently. Or they ain't talking... unlikely.. given the Doors or whatever rock group is entertaining them nowadays.
Moonbeam... etech asked me to tell that insane guy about his humor... After reading a post by Mr Etech I often find my self cleaning my monitor screen to rid it of whatever substance I might be consuming at the time. I think of Don Rickles as I read the posts and hear Don's voice as I read the words.
If etech meant Insane3D then I'd say "what and spoil all my fun" Jerry Falwell is a passive left wing commie hippy compared to etech.
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