Hagel Retiring.

[theeedude]

http://www.omaha.com/index.php...ge=2835&u_sid=10126829

WASHINGTON - Chuck Hagel will announce Monday that he is retiring from the U.S. Senate and will not run for president next year, people close to the Nebraska Republican said Friday.

Looks like Republicans with a conscience can't stand to be in the party anymore.

 

[Pabster]

Bye Chuck.

 

[OrByte]

I'm sure he got tired of the neocon republicans too

 

[dmcowen674]

Sounds like maybe there is hope for Nebraska.

 

[Lemon law]

Damn, damn, and double damn. I had hoped that Hagel would have at least run for President and added a real GOP moderate to the GOP field. If not Hagel, then someone else is needed to champion what the GOP actually traditionally stood for.

Any ideas? The current list of GOP clowns don't seem to have a single real moderate unless you count Giuliani who has ever some many annoying warts with divisive tendencies. Someone who could bring us together and actually be a uniter not a divider seems to be the new GOP Diagones problem.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Damn, damn, and double damn. I had hoped that Hagel would have at least run for President and added a real GOP moderate to the GOP field. If not Hagel, then someone else is needed to champion what the GOP actually traditionally stood for.

Any ideas? The current list of GOP clowns don't seem to have a single real moderate unless you count Giuliani who has ever some many annoying warts with divisive tendencies. Someone who could bring us together and actually be a uniter not a divider seems to be the new GOP Diagones problem.

Any ideas?

Yes, ADD

Any Democrat will Do.

Simply put I don't care who the GOP comes up with.

They have no business sitting in that Oval office chair after what they have done the last 8 years.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Any Democrat will Do.

Simply put I don't care who the GOP comes up with.

This strategy failed the last time we held an election for president

 

[Lemon law]

As a somewhat partisan democrat I agree that almost any democrat will do, but I also have to agree with daveymark that there is a possibility that the GOP will win the Presidency in 2008. If the latter proves to be the case, for the good of the entire country, it would be better that a GOP moderate win rather than have another four years of a GWB clone.

Having now disposed of a sidetrade argument that goes nowhere, its time to again ask, what GOP moderate acceptable to the country can the GOP come up with given that Giuliani isn't very acceptable or realistic.?

Any ideas for the GOP? Someone anyone of either party? Because from a democratic hedge my bet standpoint, the current GOP field is totally unacceptable to anyone who has even a pale shade of blue in their wardrobe.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Any ideas?

Yes, ADD

Any Democrat will Do.

Simply put I don't care who the GOP comes up with.

They have no business sitting in that Oval office chair after what they have done the last 8 years.

Talk about blind partisan hackery :laugh:

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Any ideas?

Yes, ADD

Any Democrat will Do.

Simply put I don't care who the GOP comes up with.

They have no business sitting in that Oval office chair after what they have done the last 8 years.

Talk about blind partisan hackery :laugh:

Nothing wrong with being partisan when the Republican party is ideologically bent to turn everything it touches to cr@p. They don't like government, but instead of cutting spending as they preach, they corrupt and screw up everything while growing spending and funneling our money to their friends.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The Reps have pretty much chased away it's real conservatives. Pretty much what's left is those who want war at all cost and love to spend, just as long as the money spent is on Iraq.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Sounds like maybe there is hope for Nebraska.

Thats a stupid ignorant statement. But I wouldnt expect anything more out of you. :thumbsup:

Chuck Hagel is a good guy, hell if he didnt have the (R) next to his name maybe you would like him? But since you are a self-proclaimed partisan hack you cant get past party lines ever.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
The Reps have pretty much chased away it's real conservatives. Pretty much what's left is those who want war at all cost and love to spend, just as long as the money spent is on Iraq.

I have to somewhat disagree with Hayabusa Rider because we all have to remember what happened to GHB who promised to be another Ronald Reagan clone. And GHB then discovered that eight years of financing the policies of Ronald Reagan with the national credit card had left mother Hubbard's closet bare with no way to borrow more. And GHB had to gasp say more
read my lips gotta raise taxes and have more governmental sanity. It took 10 years to claw our way out of that debt hole with the combined help of GHB, Clinton, and a more rational congress all somehow managing to work together on a somewhat bi-partisan basis.

Paving the way for a GWB who proceeded to squander all the progress made in those 10 years in his first 18 months. And now is clawing his way ever downward and has already increased the national debt from 6 trillion to a current nearly 9 trillion. The real question is can the cost of servicing the interest on the debt, which in turn depends on keeping interest rates very low, continue even into 2008. But if interest rates rise before the election of 11/2008, it may well be a nation disaster for both the country and especially the GOP.

But I think the policy of putting unrestricted debt on the national credit card has about an eight year limit. Then the piper must be paid. The Republicans may well be wanting to let the democrats have the onus of being that pay master after 2008. And also will have to be very careful about the candidates they run. The American people may be stupid enough to allow the GOP to foster the myth that they are the party of fiscal restraint, but reality does have a habit of catching up to myths.

Bottom line the chickens of bad public policy always come home to roost. GWB&co may be lucky enough to be out of office when the debt chicken comes home, but extremely unlikely
that the debt chicken will wait until 2013. We better have some real pragmatists in office because no amount of political spin forestalls the banker when he decides to foreclose.

 

[ScottMac]

Good Riddance. I'm glad to see him go.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
The Reps have pretty much chased away it's real conservatives. Pretty much what's left is those who want war at all cost and love to spend, just as long as the money spent is on Iraq.

I have to somewhat disagree with Hayabusa Rider because we all have to remember what happened to GHB who promised to be another Ronald Reagan clone. And GHB then discovered that eight years of financing the policies of Ronald Reagan with the national credit card had left mother Hubbard's closet bare with no way to borrow more. And GHB had to gasp say more
read my lips gotta raise taxes and have more governmental sanity. It took 10 years to claw our way out of that debt hole with the combined help of GHB, Clinton, and a more rational congress all somehow managing to work together on a somewhat bi-partisan basis.

Paving the way for a GWB who proceeded to squander all the progress made in those 10 years in his first 18 months. And now is clawing his way ever downward and has already increased the national debt from 6 trillion to a current nearly 9 trillion. The real question is can the cost of servicing the interest on the debt, which in turn depends on keeping interest rates very low, continue even into 2008. But if interest rates rise before the election of 11/2008, it may well be a nation disaster for both the country and especially the GOP.

But I think the policy of putting unrestricted debt on the national credit card has about an eight year limit. Then the piper must be paid. The Republicans may well be wanting to let the democrats have the onus of being that pay master after 2008. And also will have to be very careful about the candidates they run. The American people may be stupid enough to allow the GOP to foster the myth that they are the party of fiscal restraint, but reality does have a habit of catching up to myths.

Bottom line the chickens of bad public policy always come home to roost. GWB&co may be lucky enough to be out of office when the debt chicken comes home, but extremely unlikely
that the debt chicken will wait until 2013. We better have some real pragmatists in office because no amount of political spin forestalls the banker when he decides to foreclose.

I was thinking long term. There are some real issues I had with Ron R. I think he was the start of Rush Conservatives. Barry Goldwater was someone I wouldn't want to have seen in office because he was too trigger happy, however one of his primary motivations was the protection of the Constitution. In that regard I admired him, however I'm glad Kennedy was in the drivers seat during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: ScottMac
Good Riddance. I'm glad to see him go.

How so.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: ScottMac
Good Riddance. I'm glad to see him go.

How so.

Doesn't make sense to me either. Chuck is a solid and not a pretender. He's a genuine conservative, and not the NEO kind. I don't agree with all of his politics, but he's head and shoulders above trash like Bush, Ghouliani, Thompson, etc. For that matter he's about 100x better than Hillary/Kerry and that ilk.

I get the feeling the '08 elections will be once again a choice between a turd sandwich and a barf smoothie.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: ScottMac
Good Riddance. I'm glad to see him go.

How so.

Doesn't make sense to me either. Chuck is a solid and not a pretender. He's a genuine conservative, and not the NEO kind. I don't agree with all of his politics, but he's head and shoulders above trash like Bush, Ghouliani, Thompson, etc. For that matter he's about 100x better than Hillary/Kerry and that ilk.

I get the feeling the '08 elections will be once again a choice between a turd sandwich and a barf smoothie.

Im actually in the mood for a nice turd sandwich right about now. :thumbsup:

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: ScottMac
Good Riddance. I'm glad to see him go.

How so.

Doesn't make sense to me either. Chuck is a solid and not a pretender. He's a genuine conservative, and not the NEO kind. I don't agree with all of his politics, but he's head and shoulders above trash like Bush, Ghouliani, Thompson, etc. For that matter he's about 100x better than Hillary/Kerry and that ilk.

I get the feeling the '08 elections will be once again a choice between a turd sandwich and a barf smoothie.

Im actually in the mood for a nice turd sandwich right about now. :thumbsup:

You hack - I'd much rather have a barf smoothie.

 

[Lemon law]

When we are comparing the relative merits of turd sandwiches and barf smoothies, the most important raw ingredients are to be found within ourselves. The turd sandwich does require one or more slices of bread we must look elsewhere for.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
When we are comparing the relative merits of turd sandwiches and barf smoothies, the most important raw ingredients are to be found within ourselves. The turd sandwich does require one or more slices of bread we must look elsewhere for.

Is this some kind of obscure zen philosophy you're applying here?

Confucius say : Man who shoot off mouth, must expect to lose face.