H.R. 3200: Sec 246 ? NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

[halik]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: JS80
We don't even check ID for voting.

where the hell do you vote?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526625,00.html
http://www.digtriad.com/news/l...toryid=113290&catid=57

Where the fuck are you voting?

sos.CA.gov

?In person? voters must show a ?current and valid photo identification? or ?a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter.?

Therein lies your problem. In Michigan i had to show my ID to get the voter registration card and then take that to the voting booth. There's a reason why many of us argue your home state should fall off into the ocean ...

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Patranus
Might want to re read the title of your own thread. That section sighted is clearly refering to "affordability credits" not more, nothing less. That is just one source of federal funding provided in HR 3200.

What other scenarios are there for federal funding for illegals?

In any case, illegals de facto have free health care at the moment.

Illegals can get chemotherapy and heart bypass surgeries for free?

ER visits are where the costs come from, rather than the exotic things of that sort. If I show up at an ER with a burst appendix, they'll cut me open before asking for my insurance card.

which is a small % of total healthcare. It's the fat fucks who want triple bypass, lipitor and insulin for free that will take us to bk.

 

[Hecubus2000]

Originally posted by: evident
how do you turn away an illegal who's bleeding at the doorsteps of a hospital?

You don't.

Treat
Report
Deport

May seem expensive up front, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper in the long run.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000

Originally posted by: evident
how do you turn away an illegal who's bleeding at the doorsteps of a hospital?

You don't.

Treat
Report
Deport

May seem expensive up front, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper in the long run.

And what most other countries (if not all) countries do. Anybody that has had a medical emergency in another country knows this. Everybody knows this.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Patranus
Might want to re read the title of your own thread. That section sighted is clearly refering to "affordability credits" not more, nothing less. That is just one source of federal funding provided in HR 3200.

What other scenarios are there for federal funding for illegals?

In any case, illegals de facto have free health care at the moment.

Illegals can get chemotherapy and heart bypass surgeries for free?

ER visits are where the costs come from, rather than the exotic things of that sort. If I show up at an ER with a burst appendix, they'll cut me open before asking for my insurance card.

which is a small % of total healthcare. It's the fat fucks who want triple bypass, lipitor and insulin for free that will take us to bk.

Preaching to the choir... if they can charge higher premiums for smokers, they can do the same for obese people. Make it based on BMI with the option to prove fitness via body fat content (so people that work out don't get discriminated).

Money is the greatest motivator.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Well... I've read HR3200 and yes it does say that and refers to another section as well... However, the folks who are up in arms around here keep saying it does...

The language is sorta funny. Think about this. Illegal Mom with 8 kids all born in the USA... these kids are citizens and covered. They should be in my opinion and ya know what... I think the mom should be too. Why you ask... heheheh cuz she has to take care of those 8 citizens or the state will if she is sick etc.. I'd rather have her covered and well than not and sick.
But that's me..

Congrats, you've found the loophole I was trying to lead OP to.

We still need immigration reform, but the point is that the health care reform makes us no worse off than before... unless you can make an argument otherwise.

I would like to get 100% of the illegals covered and paying... they are like 40 - 50 % now. IT is the principle of reducing the unit cost by increasing the numbers... folks just don't get the economy of scale in this.
We will be much better off IF you are middle class. Very poor uncovered now will still have to pay... just they will get a subsidy of some amount... the rich ... they will always be rich.
so, I ask YOU... do the folks who need it most... the poor and uncovered who can't afford it now benefit if they can't afford to get it? The basic premise is to have everyone covered AND paying.
I do like the bits about the restrictions on the Insurance Companies and well... I like alot of it, really.
I think, however, I prefer HR 676 more...

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: JS80
We don't even check ID for voting.

where the hell do you vote?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526625,00.html
http://www.digtriad.com/news/l...toryid=113290&catid=57

Where the fuck are you voting?

sos.CA.gov

?In person? voters must show a ?current and valid photo identification? or ?a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter.?

Therein lies your problem. In Michigan i had to show my ID to get the voter registration card and then take that to the voting booth. There's a reason why many of us argue your home state should fall off into the ocean ...

I wish it would too, but not before Michigan gets frozen over by global cooling.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: JS80
We don't even check ID for voting.

where the hell do you vote?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526625,00.html
http://www.digtriad.com/news/l...toryid=113290&catid=57

Where the fuck are you voting?

sos.CA.gov

?In person? voters must show a ?current and valid photo identification? or ?a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter.?

Therein lies your problem. In Michigan i had to show my ID to get the voter registration card and then take that to the voting booth. There's a reason why many of us argue your home state should fall off into the ocean ...

I wish it would too, but not before Michigan gets frozen over by global cooling.

Don't even joke about that, I've been trying to sell my a/c on craigslist for a month now. Need some local warming at least....

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Well... I've read HR3200 and yes it does say that and refers to another section as well... However, the folks who are up in arms around here keep saying it does...

The language is sorta funny. Think about this. Illegal Mom with 8 kids all born in the USA... these kids are citizens and covered. They should be in my opinion and ya know what... I think the mom should be too. Why you ask... heheheh cuz she has to take care of those 8 citizens or the state will if she is sick etc.. I'd rather have her covered and well than not and sick.
But that's me..

Congrats, you've found the loophole I was trying to lead OP to.

We still need immigration reform, but the point is that the health care reform makes us no worse off than before... unless you can make an argument otherwise.

The only problem I could see is if the penalty provision is passed and legal residents or citizens get fined for not having healthcare but illegals won't for obvious reasons.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Well... I've read HR3200 and yes it does say that and refers to another section as well... However, the folks who are up in arms around here keep saying it does...

The language is sorta funny. Think about this. Illegal Mom with 8 kids all born in the USA... these kids are citizens and covered. They should be in my opinion and ya know what... I think the mom should be too. Why you ask... heheheh cuz she has to take care of those 8 citizens or the state will if she is sick etc.. I'd rather have her covered and well than not and sick.
But that's me..

Congrats, you've found the loophole I was trying to lead OP to.

We still need immigration reform, but the point is that the health care reform makes us no worse off than before... unless you can make an argument otherwise.

The only problem I could see is if the penalty provision is passed and legal residents or citizens get fined for not having healthcare but illegals won't for obvious reasons.

That would only really apply for illegals that get paid under the table - IIRC most of them use stolen ssoc and have their taxes withheld and everything.

I can't really think of a way to get that money from a guy that gets paid cash and tax free.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Well... I've read HR3200 and yes it does say that and refers to another section as well... However, the folks who are up in arms around here keep saying it does...

The language is sorta funny. Think about this. Illegal Mom with 8 kids all born in the USA... these kids are citizens and covered. They should be in my opinion and ya know what... I think the mom should be too. Why you ask... heheheh cuz she has to take care of those 8 citizens or the state will if she is sick etc.. I'd rather have her covered and well than not and sick.
But that's me..

Congrats, you've found the loophole I was trying to lead OP to.

We still need immigration reform, but the point is that the health care reform makes us no worse off than before... unless you can make an argument otherwise.

The only problem I could see is if the penalty provision is passed and legal residents or citizens get fined for not having healthcare but illegals won't for obvious reasons.

In California we've a law that all autos must be insured.. and uninsured/underinsured motorist insurance coverage... If you don't insure your car you can't register it...
IF there is a penalty provision for not getting on a plan will the government take more of what they already know you have hardly any of... money... and will they not allow you to what... visit hospital in an emergency, have a baby, get sick, die... live??

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Right. They arent already covered, yet they arent turned away either. Nothing in regards to illegals getting care will change.

What exactly would your plan be to check the immigration status of individuals before performing emergency care?

Regardless, this thread was created to (once again) show that the claims by the right that this bill would cover illegal immigrants are bald faced lies. You can claim that his bill does not do enough to keep illegal immigrants out of hospitals, (a ghoulish proposition, but one you could argue) but to claim that it somehow covers them is a deliberate misrepresentation and you know it.

Treat. Report. Deport. Simple.

And I never, ever claimed Obama wants to cover them. Ever. So cut the tone of your last sentence.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Right. They arent already covered, yet they arent turned away either. Nothing in regards to illegals getting care will change.

What exactly would your plan be to check the immigration status of individuals before performing emergency care?

Regardless, this thread was created to (once again) show that the claims by the right that this bill would cover illegal immigrants are bald faced lies. You can claim that his bill does not do enough to keep illegal immigrants out of hospitals, (a ghoulish proposition, but one you could argue) but to claim that it somehow covers them is a deliberate misrepresentation and you know it.

Treat. Report. Deport. Simple.

And I never, ever claimed Obama wants to cover them. Ever. So cut the tone of your last sentence.

My last sentence wasn't actually directed at you, so my apologies. It's mostly a symptom of my frustration with the deliberate dishonesty about this issue coming from...well... a lot of people.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Right. They arent already covered, yet they arent turned away either. Nothing in regards to illegals getting care will change.

What exactly would your plan be to check the immigration status of individuals before performing emergency care?

Regardless, this thread was created to (once again) show that the claims by the right that this bill would cover illegal immigrants are bald faced lies. You can claim that his bill does not do enough to keep illegal immigrants out of hospitals, (a ghoulish proposition, but one you could argue) but to claim that it somehow covers them is a deliberate misrepresentation and you know it.

Treat. Report. Deport. Simple.

And I never, ever claimed Obama wants to cover them. Ever. So cut the tone of your last sentence.

My last sentence wasn't actually directed at you, so my apologies. It's mostly a symptom of my frustration with the deliberate dishonesty about this issue coming from...well... a lot of people.

:beer:

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Right. They arent already covered, yet they arent turned away either. Nothing in regards to illegals getting care will change.

What exactly would your plan be to check the immigration status of individuals before performing emergency care?

Regardless, this thread was created to (once again) show that the claims by the right that this bill would cover illegal immigrants are bald faced lies. You can claim that his bill does not do enough to keep illegal immigrants out of hospitals, (a ghoulish proposition, but one you could argue) but to claim that it somehow covers them is a deliberate misrepresentation and you know it.

No, as proven, current legislation DOES COVER ILLEGAL aliens.

Have you ever traveled to another country? I assume you have and I assume you did so LEGALLY based on the country of destination's laws. I also assume you abidded by their immigration laws and customs.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Right. They arent already covered, yet they arent turned away either. Nothing in regards to illegals getting care will change.

What exactly would your plan be to check the immigration status of individuals before performing emergency care?

Regardless, this thread was created to (once again) show that the claims by the right that this bill would cover illegal immigrants are bald faced lies. You can claim that his bill does not do enough to keep illegal immigrants out of hospitals, (a ghoulish proposition, but one you could argue) but to claim that it somehow covers them is a deliberate misrepresentation and you know it.

No, as proven, current legislation DOES COVER ILLEGAL aliens.

This is the third time I'm typing this regarding this topic:

link or stfu

edit: are you referring to hr3200 or status quo?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: halik


This is the third time I'm typing this regarding this topic:

link or stfu

edit: are you referring to hr3200 or status quo?

Can you NOT read your own thread and the links provided?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Right. They arent already covered, yet they arent turned away either. Nothing in regards to illegals getting care will change.

What exactly would your plan be to check the immigration status of individuals before performing emergency care?

Regardless, this thread was created to (once again) show that the claims by the right that this bill would cover illegal immigrants are bald faced lies. You can claim that his bill does not do enough to keep illegal immigrants out of hospitals, (a ghoulish proposition, but one you could argue) but to claim that it somehow covers them is a deliberate misrepresentation and you know it.

No, as proven, current legislation DOES COVER ILLEGAL aliens.

whats the bill # spidey?

I think people are confusing insurance coverage for illegals vs medical coverage for illegals. AFAIK no bill specifically covers them, nor doesnt; however, thats not to be confused with most hospitals policy of not turning away the sick or injured. No plan, under any administration, will specifically direct hospitals to turn away patients IMHO.

Now, other countries will. But thats another thread. You should check out how Japan treats their illegals.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Right. They arent already covered, yet they arent turned away either. Nothing in regards to illegals getting care will change.

What exactly would your plan be to check the immigration status of individuals before performing emergency care?

Regardless, this thread was created to (once again) show that the claims by the right that this bill would cover illegal immigrants are bald faced lies. You can claim that his bill does not do enough to keep illegal immigrants out of hospitals, (a ghoulish proposition, but one you could argue) but to claim that it somehow covers them is a deliberate misrepresentation and you know it.

No, as proven, current legislation DOES COVER ILLEGAL aliens.

Have you ever traveled to another country? I assume you have and I assume you did so LEGALLY based on the country of destination's laws. I also assume you abidded by their immigration laws and customs.

where did you prove it?

 

[Patranus]

SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

LOL - Please explain the meaning of the bold text

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Right. They arent already covered, yet they arent turned away either. Nothing in regards to illegals getting care will change.

What exactly would your plan be to check the immigration status of individuals before performing emergency care?

Regardless, this thread was created to (once again) show that the claims by the right that this bill would cover illegal immigrants are bald faced lies. You can claim that his bill does not do enough to keep illegal immigrants out of hospitals, (a ghoulish proposition, but one you could argue) but to claim that it somehow covers them is a deliberate misrepresentation and you know it.

No, as proven, current legislation DOES COVER ILLEGAL aliens.

whats the bill # spidey?

I think people are confusing insurance coverage for illegals vs medical coverage for illegals. AFAIK no bill specifically covers them, nor doesnt; however, thats not to be confused with most hospitals policy of not turning away the sick or injured. No plan, under any administration, will specifically direct hospitals to turn away patients IMHO.

Now, other countries will. But thats another thread. You should check out how Japan treats their illegals.

Why do people not read the link I provided? I've been to japan so many times it isn't funny. I have proposed so many fucking kaizen projects, nemiwashied, and been thru so much fucking mudda it makes my head spin. I wouldn't really know how japan treats ILLEGAL ALIENS because I've never been one.

 

[blackangst1]

spidey, if youre talking about bill 3200, here is the language:

Page 132, section 242:

For purposes of this division, the term ??affordable credit eligible individual?? means, subject to subsection (b), an individual who is lawfully present in a State in the United States (other than as a nonimmigrant described in a sub18 paragraph (excluding subparagraphs (K), (T), (U),19 and (V)) of section 101(a)(15) of the Immigration and Nationality Act)?

edit: can you provide the page and section that would allow it? Because to me, this statement prohibits it. Dont get me wrong, there's plenty about 3200 I dont like. But to say it covers illegtals is false.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Patranus

SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

LOL - Please explain the meaning of the bold text

/facepalm

If you think that illegal immigrants buying unsubsidized insurance is a problem you are a fucking moron.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Right. They arent already covered, yet they arent turned away either. Nothing in regards to illegals getting care will change.

What exactly would your plan be to check the immigration status of individuals before performing emergency care?

Regardless, this thread was created to (once again) show that the claims by the right that this bill would cover illegal immigrants are bald faced lies. You can claim that his bill does not do enough to keep illegal immigrants out of hospitals, (a ghoulish proposition, but one you could argue) but to claim that it somehow covers them is a deliberate misrepresentation and you know it.

No, as proven, current legislation DOES COVER ILLEGAL aliens.

Have you ever traveled to another country? I assume you have and I assume you did so LEGALLY based on the country of destination's laws. I also assume you abidded by their immigration laws and customs.

WHERE?

You've made the same claim in multiple threads and I have yet to see anything from you to back it up.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Patranus

SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

LOL - Please explain the meaning of the bold text

/facepalm

If you think that illegal immigrants buying unsubsidized insurance is a problem you are a fucking moron.

Except for the fact that the legislation provides OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS for OTHER PROGRAMS. You might want to actually try and read the bill.

But ya, I am the "fucking moron"....