Jaydip
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So before you said it was running slow, now you're saying it doesn't work at all?
BTW, I think the poster there is a support guy with the company, not necessarily one of the developers. From what I can tell he was mistaken in his post as others clearly have tressfx working on nvidia cards, unless it was disabled at one point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaKaQxUX_9U
http://steamcommunity.com/app/261760/discussions/0/34096318689025530/
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TressFX also ran crap on NV GPU in Tomb Raider, for about 2 weeks. NV is able to work with AMD GE developers to optimize the game. They are able to dissect the source code. This enables them to quickly optimize. At least you can agree to that, AMD is very open with their technology. Give credit where its due.
TressFX also ran crap on NV GPU in Tomb Raider, for about 2 weeks. NV is able to work with AMD GE developers to optimize the game. They are able to dissect the source code. This enables them to quickly optimize. At least you can agree to that, AMD is very open with their technology. Give credit where its due.
If it was pulled at some point it could be because Nvidia wasn't supporting it properly through drivers to discourage people from using it in order to promote their own proprietary hair/fur gameworks modules.
Or it could just be that the developer is a small group without the resources to optimize it for Nvidia without their help which they weren't willing to do because they chose to work with AMD through GE.
Or maybe AMD chose to make it run worse on Nvidia hardware. This seems highly unlikely since tressFX code is available to Nvidia to optimize their own cards for and AMD posted to their official blog about how tressfx is brand agnostic with performance graphs and explanations to go along with their claim.
Or Some other conspiracy theory. You pick which sounds most plausible
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Tonga apparently even beats out nvidia cards in that department if Hocp's review is to go by.
Though there is a wide discrepancy between AMD's tressfx and nvidia's hairworks performance.
http://cdn3.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/tfx_tr_perf.png
They did it because nvidia wasn't supporting the feature and it was ruining the game. It was nvidia's choice not only did they punt on support, they actually attempt to push a far more closed alternative. AMD doesn't have that choice when it comes to Gameworks stuff. They can't work with devs, they can't optimize using the easy way (seeing source code), so they have to blindly fumble around at the very end of a titles dev cycle which includes the first few weeks after release.
It's understandable that a company would attempt to harm it's competitor, they have a financial incentive after all. What's amazing is that behavior will be defended by anyone who doesn't have that financial incentive.
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Dont troll or justify because i have posted what he is saying so plz u are not a developer ok.
Who knows? That was their only response I saw and then they ended it. We know though that it's not because it won't run or that nVidia can't optimize for it.
English is not your first language though. I'm telling you what it says. It does not say that they were required to disable it on nVidia hardware because of any GE requirement and I get the feeling that is how you are reading it.
How are you accusing me of trolling anyway?
Now plz get back to the topic
http://wccftech.com/tressfx-hair-20-detailed-improved-visuals-performance-multiplatform-support/
We purposely disabled TressFX on NVIDIA cards. We delivered TressFX on AMD hardware as part of our partnership with AMD.
What does that mean or u cannot understand simple English?
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I'll try this one more time, and then I will stop if you don't get it.
We have two sentences here. They are independent of each other.
1) We purposely disabled TressFX on NVIDIA cards.
2) We delivered TressFX on AMD hardware as part of our partnership with AMD.
They do not say, nor do they infer, that they disabled TressFX on nVidia cards as part of their partnership with AMD.
Yup same is goes with Gameworks.Developers only do there part of partnership and what they are paid to do.It is a business.Boycotting gameworks game cannot do anything because AMD owners are not even 25% above and it is on minority .
It is simple if you are buying AMD GPU than u are sacrificing gameworks games and need to wait for at least 2 or 3 months to sort it out and most of upcoming AAA games are nvidia gameworks.
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No it's not the same that's the entire point people have been trying to get across.
Jaydip
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1.IIRC hair/fur came later
2.Again IIRC NV mentioned that CD wasn't too eager to work with them.
3.TressFX was made public later, I have no issues if AMD cripples tressfx performance on NV hardware on purpose, they are not a charity and they got a business to run.My only point is that this happens in both camps, blaming NV for GW is immature.
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That is the point AMD can do what ever they want with Treefx and no one has the authority to question AMD and not even Nvidia or intel because it is there invention and they have the rights how they want to use it even if it cripples nvidia performance.
1) If you're talking about Lichdom, tressfx was available starting with one of the beta releases for both AMD and Nvidia.
2) I think you may be confused, I haven't seen any comments like that from Nvidia through quite a few google attempts and the developer of lichdom is Xavient. Interested to see Nvidia's comments if they did say something though.
3) The patch for TressFX / new Nvidia drivers for Tomb Raider came like 2 weeks after release and Nvidia was able to work with the developer before the game came out. Yes there were some code changes and Nvidia had a couple of weeks of bad performance, but this was the first TressFX implementation ever, I'm sure things were constantly being changed. There is a huge difference between that and gameworks.
I don't understand why people support a program like gameworks. If AMD followed with their own similar type program, it would suck. E.g. Ok, for Deus Ex Next Gen if I want good performance with high eye candy, I'll have to switch out my nvidia card for an AMD card, uninstall drivers, plop in $400 AMD card, install drivers, crank settings. Ok, a good hour of gaming. Now let's play Watch Dogs 3. Whoops, got to pull my AMD card, uninstall drivers, put in $500 Nvidia card, install drivers. Ok, now I'm ready. Or you can just play one or the other smoothly and get nice stuttering and reduced settings with the non-associated card. No thanks.
To me, it's like being in school with a bully who makes you pay him so he can offer you his "protection" (i.e. he won't beat you up). Sure, when he goes and beats up other kids it might seem like a pretty good deal, until you realize that he is the one taking your money and controlling these decisions in your life. Nvidia can do whatever they want and developers can choose to go along or not, but that doesn't mean I have to support them. I'll chose to support programs/developers that let me choose which brand I think deserves my money and lets me enjoy the games I want without brand punishment.
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You are completely missing the point, again. We aren't talking legalities. None of us are lawyers (even if some of us want to talk like we are). We aren't discussing corporate rights. We're talking about corporate scumbaggery.
What "made" the PC was compatibility. If every company did this it would destroy the PC ecosystem. Imagine if msft and Intel did it. We'd have one software company and one CPU manufacturer. Those two companies virtually own the PC market. If they wanted to they could kill every other competitor they have.
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1.Nah not Lichdom, I am talking about TR
2.I was talking about the TR Dev CD, NV made that comment about TR
3.Again I wasn't blaming AMD, if they did it on purpose its fine by me, last time I checked they are not a charity.
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AtenRa
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You know, reviews test the games and hardware with those GameWorks features enabled.
If AMD cannot optimize its drivers and the Game Developer cannot change the code so that the game is also optimized for the AMD hardware as well, then it is not AMDs fault that the game performs bad with AMD GPUs. And it certainly doesnt mean that AMD has dropped the ball in driver and CF support.
On the other hand, AMD TressFX or any other features in Game Evolved titles are open for NVIDIA to optimize its drivers and Developers are free to make changes to help NVIDIA GPUs perform as they should.
So to end this, all Hardware Reviewers should put the pressure on NVIDIA (AMD and Intel and the rest of the industry) to play fair and hit above the belt. Locking the GW features even from the developer, not to mention the competition, doesnt make it good for any consumer.
Although NVIDIA is a company and needs to make money, we consumers shouldn't care about that and should demand the best for our money.
Three GW titles (Watch Dogs, AC : U and FarCry4) were rubbish for months before they could be acceptable for gaming even with NVIDIA hardware.
Defending a company doing those thinks only make it worse for the consumer.
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That is the problem here, YOU SHOULDN'T be fine with this from either company. YOU and I and the rest of the people here WE ARE CONSUMERS, we are not ok with anything like this. We spend our money on their products. We have to demand that the software + Hardware ecosystem works and performs fine for every consumer.
When people realize this, we are all going to have better products on the market.
Jaydip
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That is the problem here, YOU SHOULDN'T be fine with this from either company. YOU and I and the rest of the people here WE ARE CONSUMERS, we are not ok with anything like this. We spend our money on their products. We have to demand that the software + Hardware ecosystem works and performs fine for every consumer.
When people realize this, we are all going to have better products on the market.
We have a different POV which is fine. The simple thing which you guys forget that AAA pc gaming is irrelevant atm, going forward it is gonna be the platform for mmos/mobas/indies.If they cared they wouldn't release those half baked products.You know I preordered DAI and when I started playing I stopped after the prologue, it doesn't have a proper KB/M UI and remember this is from the so called PC champions BW.There are only two companies which I trust to make good PC games Blizz and CDPR.
u are wrong totally wrong.That is the problem here, YOU SHOULDN'T be fine with this from either company. YOU and I and the rest of the people here WE ARE CONSUMERS, we are not ok with anything like this. We spend our money on their products. We have to demand that the software + Hardware ecosystem works and performs fine for every consumer.
When people realize this, we are all going to have better products on the market.
For example PS exclusive like GOW or uncharted cannot come on PC or MS Xbox why because it is there game and IP and u cannot do anything about it btw both are console with almost same hardware but the difference is only companies.Consumers right for a Company like AMD is kind of a weak statements and this kind of statement are made by mostly begging or weak company so that they safe there faces from failures.
In simple words you say you get what you paid for as simple.
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Jaydip
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IIRC [H] tested that with and without NV GW features.I am really never bothered with graphics that much if the game play is excellent.This too much emphasis on graphics is ruining the game play, play POE it has well crappy graphics by today's standards but is hella fun.I bet if NV/AMD didn't pour money into pc optimizations, these games would be even crappier.
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