[ H ]: AMD Gains 4.8% Market Share in Q1 2016

[Shivansps]

What people dont understand is that Steam Hardware Survey numbers are relative to Steam userbase ONLY. They ONLY represent the percentage share for each company ONLY on Steam and thats it.

Global AIB market share cannot be represented by the Steam Hardware Survey, only independent research firms numbers from JPR, Mercury Research and more, are legitimate for comparison.

Steam platform is the primary platform for distributing games on PC, there is no way around it.

 

[swilli89]

Steam platform is the primary platform for distributing games on PC, there is no way around it.

Except tons of gamers don't use it. I mainly play blizzard games, and Battlefield series so I'm not represented in that survey.

 

[AtenRa]

Steam platform is the primary platform for distributing games on PC, there is no way around it.

Yes its the biggest PC Game distributor but that doesnt change the fact that its Hardware Survey cannot be compared to Global AIB card distribution, there is no way around it

 

[swilli89]

Amazing to think people will try to downplay anything. Even if the numbers don't pan out 10 be 100%, what exactly are the naysayers gaining by Nvidia feeling a little more competition? I really don't get it. Its almost as if they forget what competition does to price..

 

[Shivansps]

Except tons of gamers don't use it. I mainly play blizzard games, and Battlefield series so I'm not represented in that survey.

It does not matter, it marks a tedency, you cant tell me that most AMD users does not install Steam, because you will have nothing to back that one up. Yes, Steam does not represent the 100% of user base and it has some flaws, but is the best source of information we have, and it sets the stadistical tendency.

 

[Erenhardt]

Every HD8800 series user installed steam at least 10 times and each time they had steam survey, I guess..

 

[AtenRa]

Amazing to think people will try to downplay anything. Even if the numbers don't pan out 10 be 100%, what exactly are the naysayers gaining by Nvidia feeling a little more competition? I really don't get it. Its almost as if they forget what competition does to price..

Is not only about prices, its about better software (Drivers and added features) and faster performance increases. We may not get high price reductions but we get faster performance increases (new product launches at a faster pace).

 

[Shivansps]

Yes its the biggest PC Game distributor but that doesnt change the fact that its Hardware Survey cannot be compared to Global AIB card distribution, there is no way around it

So if you are gona make a game for PC you care about global AIB distribution and not the platform that you gona distribute the game on?

 

[zinfamous]

Amazing to think people will try to downplay anything. Even if the numbers don't pan out 10 be 100%, what exactly are the naysayers gaining by Nvidia feeling a little more competition? I really don't get it. Its almost as if they forget what competition does to price..

It is just superfan-sportsing for companies that makes silicon chips and don't really care about the people on the other end. It is highly irrational, and I have no idea what brings consumers to this type of behavior other than targeted marketing that encourages them to act in this way. With "competition gaming" in "e-sports" becoming a huge thing (for some senseless reason that I will never understand), this branding for these type of products is really just part of it. For the same reason that skaters in the 80s would argue over Bones or Powell Peralta because their favorite skater was sponsored by one, or NASCAR fans would argue over Sun Drop vs Mellow Yellow because the sponsorship of their favorite driver.

As irrational as those examples are, I find this to be less so--the only effect of a GPU company "fan" desire for one company to win here is crappier prices and crappier performance gains year to year for everyone.

 

[zinfamous]

It does not matter, it marks a tedency, you cant tell me that most AMD users does not install Steam, because you will have nothing to back that one up. Yes, Steam does not represent the 100% of user base and it has some flaws, but is the best source of information we have, and it sets the stadistical tendency.

It baffles me that you continue to defend a broken and roundly-discredited metric. Unbelievable. It has no statistical value because it is inherently invalid. You understand that, right?
This is like going to the ISSCR and presenting work that relies on the STAP study from Obukata.

No one would listen to you, and rightfully so.

 

[AtenRa]

So if you are gona make a game for PC you care about global AIB distribution and not the platform that you gona distribute the game on?

PC Games are not ONLY distributed from Steam, and the vast majority of games dont need steam to be played. And again, AIB Global market share has nothing to do with Steam, people should understand this.

 

[jpiniero]

PC Games are not ONLY distributed from Steam, and the vast majority of games dont need steam to be played. And again, AIB Global market share has nothing to do with Steam, people should understand this.

Do you not agree that the share increase is entirely due to this second mining fad?

 

[IllogicalGlory]

laptop graphic card.

8800M series.

http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/notebook/8700m-8800m

 

[boozzer]

steam survey works, but not 1 month after like someone here on this very forum tried to pass it off. it needs a min of 6 months to a year before you get an accurate picture. so Q1 2017 is when we can use the data on the new cards to look at adoption rate.

about steam only picking up 1 out of 6 cards in your system, well you are an outliner, doesn't matter to the survey anyway.

steam is big enough to give a pretty accurate picture. unless someone can come up with data on all card sales from all retailers + e-tailers + all brands. steam is what we have to use.

anyway, this 4.8% gain is kinda huge, grats to AMD.

 

[AtenRa]

Do you not agree that the share increase is entirely due to this second mining fad?

nope, its not because of the mining.

 

[Snarf Snarf]

It doesn't matter if the card was sold because of mining or it was used for gaming. It's still revenue to AMD RTG, period. The steam survey serves no real purpose other than giving a really crude guess at what people are using the wild. It's just that, a guess, not anything usable for a real argument about major market changes.

The only numbers that matter are YOY numbers, if AMD shows major gains in revenue as well as a gain in marketshare their stock will continue to climb. These are all great things for the GPU landscape because a healthy competitor is great for consumers.

 

[jpiniero]

It doesn't matter if the card was sold because of mining or it was used for gaming. It's still revenue to AMD RTG, period. The steam survey serves no real purpose other than giving a really crude guess at what people are using the wild. It's just that, a guess, not anything usable for a real argument about major market changes.

Basically cards sold to gamers might be sustainable; cards sold to miners isn't. Once this second fad passes, will sales drop hard?

 

[Kenmitch]

Steam survey = invited to participate.

How can one call it the end all for gpu market share?

There is no option to participate initiated by end users, no option to edit ones results when changing gpus, etc.

Seems silly too me at least to call it a accurate assessment of gpu market share.

 

[USER8000]

Wait,why are some people so annoyed AMD has managed to start increasing their discrete card share?? So its upto 34% overall and 30% in desktop. Surely,thats a good thing right as it drives a bit more competition between them and Nvidia?? Why are hardware enthusiasts so worried about E-PEEN to the extent they would cut off their nose to spite their face?

Edit to post.

Both AMD and Nvidia use JPR and Mercury Research data in their marketing IIRC,so it seems they are fine with the companies - not sure why hardware enthusiasts are arguing about them.

 

[Madpacket]

It'll be interesting when we get numbers for the Polaris cards. Congrats AMD. This marketshare (which will likely grow with the success of Polaris) along with the positive outlook for Zen reflects the valuation of their stock. Competition is needed so even die hard Nvidia or Intel fans should be happy for them.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Notice that the report is about market share, and not revenue share. Not sure why you are floating a different topic here. Not saying it isn't worth considering, but your point isn't the same topic.

We still need to look at Q3 and actual physical sales of units for Polaris/Pascal to get a better picture of what is going on this year, but if what all of the vendors are saying is true and reflected in the data, then AMD vastly outsold nVidia in # of units shipped. nVidia will still crush them in margins and revenue, obviously, because nVidia charges $100 premiums for shiny, mediocre shells on top of their increasingly expensive hardware. But again, they have the power to do that, so they do it.

According to wikipedia, "market share" can be evaluated using either unit sales or revenue. So both metrics are equally valid. Ultimately though what really matters is profit, is it not?

 

[railven]

Kudos to team Red. AMD can use all the gains they can get. Intel and Nvidia need to be reminded what competition truly means.

 

[zinfamous]

According to wikipedia, "market share" can be evaluated using either unit sales or revenue. So both metrics are equally valid. Ultimately though what really matters is profit, is it not?

profit matters, but it's just one piece. AMD isn't going to be able to see any kind of serious profits until they reclaim much of that lost market share (brand recognition, ability to command higher prices like nVid & Intel)--so I guess you could call it a two step plan, thinking simply. AMD actually saw great profits Q2, but that was mostly from a one-off with that Chinese contract.

Q3 (now) is when the #s on sales for the new node from AMD and nVid happen--so let's reconvene ~mid October when we have real numbers and can stop speculating on things

 

[master_shake_]

Does anyone know what this is supposed to be?

Apparently the second most popular AMD card is something that doesn't even exist.

it's a 7000 series card that was rebranded for use in oem machines.

 

[frozentundra123456]

profit matters, but it's just one piece. AMD isn't going to be able to see any kind of serious profits until they reclaim much of that lost market share (brand recognition, ability to command higher prices like nVid & Intel)--so I guess you could call it a two step plan, thinking simply. AMD actually saw great profits Q2, but that was mostly from a one-off with that Chinese contract.

Q3 (now) is when the #s on sales for the new node from AMD and nVid happen--so let's reconvene ~mid October when we have real numbers and can stop speculating on things

If they want higher prices, they need to have competitive products in higher end market segments.