Guys I want to buy an HDTV!....what do you all think is the best 50'??

DarkFudge2000

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Guys, forgive me if this is not the right forum but I am not sure where LCD/ Plasma television discussion should go.

I've been itchy to get a sweet big flat screen Hi Def HDTV for the last few months now and I think I am finally ready to drop the plastic on a 42" or 50" HDTV. What is the best one to get now....Should I go Rear Projection, Plasma, LCD....Im a bit confused. Obviously, I want the best , crispest picture I can afford........I dont want to spend more than I have too either

Any recommendations or reviews?


ALso, does anyone know of any really good free public websites that compare and review the latest HDTV TV's and technologies??

 

brett1

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52" Hitachi rear projection. Why do I recommend this? It's one of the very few tvs that support ALL the major resolutions except 1080P. Supports 480i, 480P 540P 720P <-- very important and of course 1080i.

Also has magic focus that aligns beams with the press of a button. It does have somewhat of a red push, but almost all mid grade rear projections have that and it can be corrected by one of those official TV optimization guys for about 400 dollars extra.

This hitachi TV is less than $2600 and has many HDTV inputs including DVI.

But yes, check out AVS forums and maybe HDTVoice.com
 

Tab

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How come so many people are skeptical about using TV as moniter for your computer? What if I was going to get a HDTV? I am on a tight budget BTW :)
 

brett1

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Tabb:

There is burn-in on TVs. TVs don't have the same color depth that monitors do. Certain games conflict with TV Output (widescreen.) The refresh rate cannot be changed on a TV.

Unless you have a super high end 3500+ dollar DLP projector, don't bother with computer on a TV as a primary every day use plan.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Alptraum
Originally posted by: GreatDaleness
Originally posted by: Zebo
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Originally posted by: high
Samsung DLP is a phaaat tv, check it out at Best Buy

Exactly best TV period.$3300

not even close!

Best TV period would be a CInePro 9x Elite.

Yeah, thats not even close. A good TV? Sure. But not even close to best.


Sorry.... should have said "for the price":p I have a Panny plasma 42" and it costed more and can't touch this set IMO. Wish I'da waited...but it was'nt out when I bought. Gestapo says no more TV's.
 

Jojo1971

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DO NOT (!) get a plasma because of the burn-in effect.. ive seen it (burn-in effect ) and it's ugly...

there's alot of nice rear projection LCDs like hitachi (DLP) & samsung(DLP)....both cost around $3500.. i didnt want to pay extra for the DLP tech so i went and got the 50" Sony Wega KF-50WE610 for $2950...it is as clear as the ones with DLP..then i bought a VGA to COMPONENT TRANSCODER so could hook up my laptop...it is nice to watch high res digital still photos (stored in laptop) in HDTV or browse the web while sitting in your sofa..:)...

DArkFudge2000, check out the SONY Grand WEGA.....
 

Dravic

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IMHO DLP, plasma, and LCD's are not ready yet.

They are the sexy newer technology, and the stores are pushing them hard, but there are entirely too many issue with them, for too little gained. I would spend you money on a rear projection, and put the rest of you money into a serious surround setup to really enjoy your TV. Without a good sound setup you are not going to get nearly the big screen experience you're looking for. Especially since just about all HD content is encoded with 5.1 surround.

I went to the CEDIA expo in Indy where all the HIGH-end equipment is shown, and the DLP, LCD, and plasmas while giving an excellent picture don?t handle blacks levels well, nor fast motion sports/video. If I was going to pay $100's-> $1000's extra for a TV, it would be better at everything not just better at some things, and WORSE at others. Watching a home run derby on a 60' plasma, and watching the image breakup and blur HORRIBLY when the ball was being tracked though the fast moving background of the stadium crowd did it for me.

I have a Hitachi 57s500, very nice TV.

Reap Projection has its issues also. Size is one, since all the parts are housed in the cabinet bellow the screen. You also may have to tweak a RPTV out of the box to get an acceptable picture.

Another issue is HD signal pixellation. The CRT's in RP TVs naturally blur this pixellation making it FAR less noticeable. Where the pure digital DLP, LCD, and Plasmas show every imperfection in the signal.

No stuck pixels, or mirrors, and no plasma leaks over the years to fade your picture.

The rear projection can suffer burn in, but there are ways to minimize this. Lower the contrast and brightness from the ridiculous torch mode levels they are shipped at. Use the stretch modes to eliminate having to use black/gray bars on the sides of 4x3 SD video source material. You can play games, just don?t play a game with a static image for more then a couple ours at a time, and VARY your viewing patterns. Some games now have translucent static images, and sports games (ESPN FOOTBALL for instance) changes the location of the score box as to not always be in the same location. I would recommend a xbox as it supports widescreen gaming at 480p, 720p, and 1080i(only enter the matrix so far).

And be sure to get the AVIA or Digital Video essentials DVD's to tweak the color and brightness settings. Then in 6 months or so of viewing and self-tweaking (use the sites listed below) I would get it ISF calibrated. A well-tuned RPtv will look fabulous.

And make sure you sign up for HD content from your provider (cable or DBS). SD (standard digital) can look TERRIBLE on a big widescreen TV depending on compression used by the provider, and the fact that is a lower resolution and bit rate source. The source material is EVERYTHING. You need HD, and a good progressive scan DVD player.

Seriously spend a couple of WEEKS at these sites, and visit the smaller mom and pop video stores. They may have dealer models, and a much better set up for viewing these TV's. The bright crappy lighting at CC, BB, and the like isn?t very good at making image quality comparisons. This is also the reason TVs are shipped with the contrast shipped at touch mode (burn in) settings.

AVS Forum
HomeThearter Spot


So much for a quick response. I just feel the newer technologies aren't worth it YET. If your a major cinematic, slow moving move buff then maybe, but I?m all about HD sports and fast action video/movies, and washed out blacks are a big turn off for me. CRT's are still the OVERALL king in my book. Spend the extra money as I said before, on complementing you system with all the other bells and whistles.
 

GreatDaleness

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: GreatDaleness
Originally posted by: Zebo
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Originally posted by: high
Samsung DLP is a phaaat tv, check it out at Best Buy

Exactly best TV period.$3300

not even close!

Best TV period would be a CInePro 9x Elite.
"Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price, $64,500.00" :Q

And that is without the $50, 000 video processor required. Not to mention a screen!
 

DarkFudge2000

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Hey Dravic...you made my day with that response!!....thanks a bunch for savin me tons of cash.


Im now actually thinking about getting just a regular CRT TV but one of the newer WIdeScreen HD ready units


I saw about 3 or 4 models and the one I picked out for the price vs features seems to be the Toshiba 30HF83 30" TheaterWide HD-Ready TV with PURE Flat Screen

linked here :
the reason is, because I simply want the best picture but it doesnt have to be humongous in size....i will basically be just watching alot of sports and using it as an upgrade from my 15 year old Sony 27" TV to play all my XBOX games!!


What do you think??

TOSHIBA HDTV Link
 

DarkFudge2000

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.....an XBOX

and Im gonna call Cablevision and convert from analog cable to either the digital cable box OR the HD cable box


Im wondering if I should ask cable installers to actually replace the cable lines from the pole to my house AND all of my inside cable wiring with the NEWER better cable???........Is this an option for me?....and can I expect them to do this?
 

brett1

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Make SURE that the TV supports 720p. If it does not (which many don't) then you won't be able to play xbox games in high definition. That's why I recommended the Hitachi simply because all of their TVs support almost EVERY SINGLE format.

If you modify your xbox you can hack a specific program to support progressive scan output when playing DVDs.

If you need tutorials on this, consult www.xbox-scene.com
 

Matthias99

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The XBox, AFAIK, only supports widescreen 480p and (possibly) 1080i. At 720p it is apparently limited to 4:3. I am unsure if this is a hardware limitation of the XBox, or simply an issue with the current crop of progressive-output games (such as Enter The Matrix and Soul Calibur 2). I don't own an XBox, but that's what I've heard.

You should be able to play high-def 480p games on an EDTV (Enhanced Definition, ie 480i/p only) or a true HDTV (also supports 720p and 1080i). You can with the Gamecube, and I don't see why the XBox would be different. You obviously won't be able to use the XBox's 720p mode, but 480p should work fine.