Guys gets shot by subway police

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Even if the cop missed grabbing his tazer, something triggered him to try to taze the guy.

A combination of his <70 IQ and lack of testicles?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: TallBill
Even if the cop missed grabbing his tazer, something triggered him to try to taze the guy.

A combination of his <70 IQ and lack of testicles?

Nawh, something still triggered it.

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: TallBill
Even if the cop missed grabbing his tazer, something triggered him to try to taze the guy.

A combination of his <70 IQ and lack of testicles?

Nawh, something still triggered it.

yeah, the sweet image of a black teenager on the ground, struggling.

 

[da loser]

Chief Gee said officers were called to the Fruitvale Station at 2 a.m. Thursday when police got a report that two groups of riders were fighting on a train that had just left the West Oakland Station and was headed for Dublin/Pleasanton. The officers then detained several people, the chief said.

Mario Pangelina Jr., a 23-year-old Hayward man whose sister, Sophina Mesa, was Grant's girlfriend and the mother of his child, said he saw some of what led to the shooting. He said officers had Grant against a wall on the platform. One officer briefly choked Grant, and someone pointed a Taser at him as well, Pangelina said.

Pangelina quoted Grant as saying, "Please don't tase me, please don't shoot me, I have a daughter."

Video footage taken by passengers, first shown by KTVU television, shows officers forcing Grant to the ground and trying to hold him down. The officer who shot Grant appears to try to put cuffs on him before drawing his weapon and firing. In the video, Grant appears to struggle with the officers, though it is unclear exactly what he was doing.

sounds like this guy was involved in the fight, if police were attempting to cuff him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXAETrZghn0

there's video of the actual shooting. looks pretty accidental

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: da loser

Chief Gee said officers were called to the Fruitvale Station at 2 a.m. Thursday when police got a report that two groups of riders were fighting on a train that had just left the West Oakland Station and was headed for Dublin/Pleasanton. The officers then detained several people, the chief said.

Mario Pangelina Jr., a 23-year-old Hayward man whose sister, Sophina Mesa, was Grant's girlfriend and the mother of his child, said he saw some of what led to the shooting. He said officers had Grant against a wall on the platform. One officer briefly choked Grant, and someone pointed a Taser at him as well, Pangelina said.

Pangelina quoted Grant as saying, "Please don't tase me, please don't shoot me, I have a daughter."

Video footage taken by passengers, first shown by KTVU television, shows officers forcing Grant to the ground and trying to hold him down. The officer who shot Grant appears to try to put cuffs on him before drawing his weapon and firing. In the video, Grant appears to struggle with the officers, though it is unclear exactly what he was doing.

sounds like this guy was involved in the fight, if police were attempting to cuff him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXAETrZghn0

there's video of the actual shooting. looks pretty accidental

Finally a real video.. looks like he was resisting the arrest, and the cop went to taze him which may have been appropriate. Obviously killing him wasn't.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: Baked
Then explain to me how suing a public transit system for millions will bring back your dead family member? Is buying lottery not an act of greed? You pay very little for large sums of reward. So is suing a public transit system that had nothing to do with the dead of your family member an act of greed as well. If the family really did wanted justice, they would go after the police who committed the shootings, and to an extend, the police department, not the entire transit system. This country's justice system is fucked up.

..money is the twinkle in every body's eye.

 

[SSSnail]

I watched that vid and the first thing I wanted to do was slap the bitch that held the camera, the second thing that I wanted to do was slap all the punk ass bitches that incited that mess. The shooting, probably was an accident because nobody in their right mind is gonna execute someone like that in this country. I didn't even see the shooting in the video, what I saw was a bunch of rowdy idiots that needs to get locked up. They had no business being up in the police's faces like that.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: takeru
i'm wondering more as to what the guy did to provoke the BART officers to try and get him on the ground and detain him. there is obvious a lot of people staring at the officers, you see one even take pictures of them in the video.

Jumping the turnstiles? I don't know and I don't think it really matters unless it was for murder.. the bigger question is why is this guy dead.

Lead poisoning.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: spidey07
All of this and nobody even thinks that it was an accidental discharge? It happens.

True "accidental discharges" are incredibly rare. They are negligent discharges, and they serve as good indicators that the negligent person should not be using a gun, especially if their job is to protect other people with that gun.

A true accidental discharge would be if his gun malfunctioned or got snagged on his clothing or something. A properly holstered weapon should never do that, though - it would have to be a truly freak accident.

The investigation has not been concluded yet and it's true that we still don't know why the gun was fired, but we do know that the cop is at least incompetent, if not a cold-blooded murderer.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: spidey07
All of this and nobody even thinks that it was an accidental discharge? It happens.

accident or not somebody is dead....

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: da loser

Chief Gee said officers were called to the Fruitvale Station at 2 a.m. Thursday when police got a report that two groups of riders were fighting on a train that had just left the West Oakland Station and was headed for Dublin/Pleasanton. The officers then detained several people, the chief said.

Mario Pangelina Jr., a 23-year-old Hayward man whose sister, Sophina Mesa, was Grant's girlfriend and the mother of his child, said he saw some of what led to the shooting. He said officers had Grant against a wall on the platform. One officer briefly choked Grant, and someone pointed a Taser at him as well, Pangelina said.

Pangelina quoted Grant as saying, "Please don't tase me, please don't shoot me, I have a daughter."

Video footage taken by passengers, first shown by KTVU television, shows officers forcing Grant to the ground and trying to hold him down. The officer who shot Grant appears to try to put cuffs on him before drawing his weapon and firing. In the video, Grant appears to struggle with the officers, though it is unclear exactly what he was doing.

sounds like this guy was involved in the fight, if police were attempting to cuff him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXAETrZghn0

there's video of the actual shooting. looks pretty accidental

Finally a real video.. looks like he was resisting the arrest, and the cop went to taze him which may have been appropriate. Obviously killing him wasn't.

yeah it was not flat out murder. just accidental homicide. his lack of training and or just his stupidity caused him to kill the poor kid.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: spidey07
All of this and nobody even thinks that it was an accidental discharge? It happens.

accident or not somebody is dead....

And if it involved any other person that wasn't a cop it would be treated as such. That is the real crime here.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
I watched that vid and the first thing I wanted to do was slap the bitch that held the camera, the second thing that I wanted to do was slap all the punk ass bitches that incited that mess. The shooting, probably was an accident because nobody in their right mind is gonna execute someone like that in this country. I didn't even see the shooting in the video, what I saw was a bunch of rowdy idiots that needs to get locked up. They had no business being up in the police's faces like that.

Police state is strong with this one.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: SSSnail
I watched that vid and the first thing I wanted to do was slap the bitch that held the camera, the second thing that I wanted to do was slap all the punk ass bitches that incited that mess. The shooting, probably was an accident because nobody in their right mind is gonna execute someone like that in this country. I didn't even see the shooting in the video, what I saw was a bunch of rowdy idiots that needs to get locked up. They had no business being up in the police's faces like that.

Police state is strong with this one.

No, but I'm against stupidity. You tell me a bunch of people getting up in the police face is right? I forgot, fight the system right? Tuck in your shirt, pull your pants up, and get that stud out of your damn tongue and get a job. </Dennis Leary>

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: SSSnail
I watched that vid and the first thing I wanted to do was slap the bitch that held the camera, the second thing that I wanted to do was slap all the punk ass bitches that incited that mess. The shooting, probably was an accident because nobody in their right mind is gonna execute someone like that in this country. I didn't even see the shooting in the video, what I saw was a bunch of rowdy idiots that needs to get locked up. They had no business being up in the police's faces like that.

Police state is strong with this one.

Not really considering it is the truth. The worst this guy will get is probation, but more likely will not be charged. Heck, is the cop that fired his gun into the air and killed the kid in prison?

 

[Cogman]

At very least this cop should get a manslaughter charge. He isn't above the law and shouldn't be treated as such. He killed someone, accidental or not it deserves at least a manslaughter charge and at most Murder 1. Just like if I hit someone with my car and they die.

But of course, police lovers will start yelling and screaming "He deserved to die, the cop was an angel and did nothing wrong!"

Distribute justice evenly or don't distribute it at all.

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: Cogman
At very least this cop should get a manslaughter charge. He isn't above the law and shouldn't be treated as such. He killed someone, accidental or not it deserves at least a manslaughter charge and at most Murder 1. Just like if I hit someone with my car and they die.

But of course, police lovers will start yelling and screaming "He deserved to die, the cop was an angel and did nothing wrong!"

Distribute justice evenly or don't distribute it at all.

wow.... mother fucking trigger safety...

Who's to say that he got enough training with his weapon...

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: da loser

Chief Gee said officers were called to the Fruitvale Station at 2 a.m. Thursday when police got a report that two groups of riders were fighting on a train that had just left the West Oakland Station and was headed for Dublin/Pleasanton. The officers then detained several people, the chief said.

Mario Pangelina Jr., a 23-year-old Hayward man whose sister, Sophina Mesa, was Grant's girlfriend and the mother of his child, said he saw some of what led to the shooting. He said officers had Grant against a wall on the platform. One officer briefly choked Grant, and someone pointed a Taser at him as well, Pangelina said.

Pangelina quoted Grant as saying, "Please don't tase me, please don't shoot me, I have a daughter."

Video footage taken by passengers, first shown by KTVU television, shows officers forcing Grant to the ground and trying to hold him down. The officer who shot Grant appears to try to put cuffs on him before drawing his weapon and firing. In the video, Grant appears to struggle with the officers, though it is unclear exactly what he was doing.

sounds like this guy was involved in the fight, if police were attempting to cuff him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXAETrZghn0

there's video of the actual shooting. looks pretty accidental

I change my mind from tazer confusion to 2nd degree murder.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Gothgar

Originally posted by: Cogman
At very least this cop should get a manslaughter charge. He isn't above the law and shouldn't be treated as such. He killed someone, accidental or not it deserves at least a manslaughter charge and at most Murder 1. Just like if I hit someone with my car and they die.

But of course, police lovers will start yelling and screaming "He deserved to die, the cop was an angel and did nothing wrong!"

Distribute justice evenly or don't distribute it at all.

wow.... mother fucking trigger safety...

Who's to say that he got enough training with his weapon...

It's a particularly American conceit that "proper training" is the solution to everything, and that "improper training" is the cause of all wrongs.

There are plenty of "properly trained" people who react in entirely the wrong way to a situation, and plenty of "improperly trained" people who do exactly the right thing. Training obviously helps the odds that a person will respond correctly, but blaming the "training" is the wrong way to go about a situation like this one...blame the action itself!

<--pragmatist in a land of legalists

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: Gothgar

Originally posted by: Cogman
At very least this cop should get a manslaughter charge. He isn't above the law and shouldn't be treated as such. He killed someone, accidental or not it deserves at least a manslaughter charge and at most Murder 1. Just like if I hit someone with my car and they die.

But of course, police lovers will start yelling and screaming "He deserved to die, the cop was an angel and did nothing wrong!"

Distribute justice evenly or don't distribute it at all.

wow.... mother fucking trigger safety...

Who's to say that he got enough training with his weapon...

Last I checked, All guns have a safety, which this cop clearly had to turn off before the situation. And also, all cops issued firearms have had firearm training. So you are saying "DO MORE OF THE SAME, IT WILL WORK!!1!". Or are you saying that the cop didn't have the gun safety training? In that case, he should also be charged with criminal negligence. He shouldn't have touched that gun if he didn't feel comfortable with it.

Is it an accident? I don't know, I didn't see the video before it was yanked. However, did the cop point his gun at the person or near enough to the person that it shot and killed two people? Yes? Then at very LEAST it is manslaughter. There is a reason we have the term, because accidental causes of death do happen.

 

[dabuddha]

It's hard for me to see what happened in that video cause its so far away and not clear but it looks like the cop basically executed the kid.

 

[LS21]

Originally posted by: jagec

It's a particularly American conceit that "proper training" is the solution to everything, and that "improper training" is the cause of all wrongs.

There are plenty of "properly trained" people who react in entirely the wrong way to a situation, and plenty of "improperly trained" people who do exactly the right thing. Training obviously helps the odds that a person will respond correctly, but blaming the "training" is the wrong way to go about a situation like this one...blame the action itself!

<--pragmatist in a land of legalists

o hai i accidentally shot u with the wrong gun even tho ur on the ground n im on top of u now ur ded lol my bad

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: Cogman
Last I checked, All guns have a safety, which this cop clearly had to turn off before the situation.

Not all guns have safeties. In fact, one of the most popular brands of handgun for police issue, Glock, have no safeties at all aside from one in the trigger that is disengaged as you put your finger on it. You still have to consciously pull the trigger, though. It takes 5.5 lbs of pressure with your finger centered over the trigger safety to fire, so it's hard to accidentally shoot it.

 

[Zebo]

Second most popular sig doesn't have safety either.

 

[dakels]

I don't blame the victim at all but it makes me wonder why people who have a gun pointed at them physically fight back or do anything to provoke someone prepared to end your life within a split second. My father was a cop for 26 years and one of the most important things he taught me was to never argue with the other end of a gun no matter how wrong they are and how right you are. Someone holding a gun only cares about 1 thing. Your submission. You will submit 1 way or the other.