guys can u help me with this...

[M4Carbine]

I just got a P4 3.0E 1mb L2. im runnin it on intel 865PERL mobo and Antec super lanboy case using the stock HS and fan. when i booted up and entered the BIOS and checked the hardware monitoring it showed the "CPU zone temperature" at 60C. im guessin this is not normal right? is it safe to continue runnin the pc as it is?
im thinkin bout gettin a thermaltake spark 7+ HS n fan with arctic silver 5 paste. but if i am goin to replace the stock one. the paste from it wud already hav rubbed onto the processor right. so do i just put the AS on top of that or else how do i clean that if thats wht i need to do?
thanx for any help!

 

[iamtrout]

That temperature is definitely rather high, although it is not to the point where you will kill the processor. But to be safe don't run it. First check and make sure that you mounted everything correctly (ie. take off HSF and see if there is a distinct imprint of the entire CPU on the thermal compound) Remount. Or better yet, take off the old thermal compound with some acetone (clear nail polish remover), isopropyl alcohol after the acetone, and q-tips or whatever you want to rub compound with, and put AS5 on it. Then remount.

Oh yeah, welcome to the forums.

 

[Zahriya]

I dont know if its normal or not, but I have the same Cpu, and it was running around 55-65 at idle and with use. I replaced the stock heat sink with a zalman 7000a-cu, and now my temps read 45-50 at idle, and 55-60 at load. oh I also used AS5.

 

[Operandi]

Yeah, 60C a bit too high for an idle temp. I second everything iamtrout said but don't sweat it too much if you don't have isopropyl alcohol the difference between using and not can't be more then 1-2C.

If you decide to get a new HS/F stay away from Thermaltake, there is much better stuff out there. I'd look at the Zalman 7000 series, Alpha, and Thermalright. If you need advice on picking a particular heatsink or fan don't hesitate to ask.

 

[PhoenixOrion]

Definitely need an aftermarket heatsink for that presshott.

Recommendations for brands above are good.

 

[M4Carbine]

Thanx for all the help iamtrout and guys. ill try wht u suggested.

so let me see if i hav it right, i dont wanna take chances with a new processor.. i take off the HSF and then i remove the old thermal compund from bothe the HSF and from the top of the processor (i hav isopropyl, im gonna hav to get the acetone). then according to the instructions on AS site i jst put a rice grain size pea on top of the processor. and then mount the HSF. but will it spread by itself? or shud i mount the HSF and try to wiggle it around a bit?

operandi, ya i wish i had more options. but here in philippines where im now, it hard to get stuff. i cud find only thermaltake even as a name that i atleast recognise. its atleast better than the stock HSF right. wish newegg did international delivery hehe.

 

[TJones2]

In my view, AS is a waste of money. My Prescott 3.2 is running between 32c-46c using some old Vantec goo I got with the hsf on my other computer. And I'm using the Intel supplied HSF, btw. Don't be too generous with the stuff, just a bit in the center then rub it around using an old credit card (don't touch).

 

[Operandi]

Don't bother with acetone unless you think your gona make use of it down the road, it's not really necessary. Same goes for AS, it's good stuff but again not necessary if you already have some good thermal compound around.

I'd really look from something other then Thermaltake, are you sure there isn't any way to get a Alpha, Zalman or Thermalright?

 

[M4Carbine]

heres the options i have in choosing a HSF. how about the CoolMaster ones?

http://www.pcx.com.ph/catalog/products.asp?id=69

 

[iamtrout]

IMO acetone is necessary if you want to dissolve the thermal compound for removal. Isopropyl alcohol just doesn't do it as well. As for applying thermal compound, do not just put a dab in the middle and plop on the HSF. Spread is around evenly and as thin as you can get it with a credit card, razor, finger wrapped in plastic bag, or what have you. I'm afraid I don't have much experience with HSF as I watercool, but try to get copper and if you care about noise, try to get one in which the fan is an 80mm.

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: M4Carbine
heres the options i have in choosing a HSF. how about the CoolMaster ones?

http://www.pcx.com.ph/catalog/products.asp?id=69

Man, those are all awful......

 

[M4Carbine]

I jst took of the HSF checked it, there was the imprint on the thermal paste in the HS and most of the thermal paste is on the processor now. i remounted the HSF, booted up and checked the BIOS to see the temperature..it showed around 94C!! whts happenin here?

 

[iamtrout]

Is the processor dead now? Considering that your temps were ok to start off with, I can only conclude that you mounted it worse this time around.

 

[M4Carbine]

when i saw the temperature in BIOS i booted up a second time n it still was the same so i turned it off. ill try mounting again and check...will let u know. i sure hope its not dead! hehe

 

[M4Carbine]

iamtrout, i remounted it again went into BIOS and checked. it was at 54C the fan speed was around 2700rpm. after i played around in the BIOS for a couple of seconds it went up to 59C and stayed there, the fan was runnin at around 2900rpm. even after restart it was at 59C.

wht do u think? ill probably get some AS5 and try that on today. i need a week or so to save up for a new HSF, if i need one. do i leave the processor in its socket and try to clean up the existin thermal compound or do i take it out of the socket and clean it?? (hehe im totally new to this)

and also the isopropyl i hav is like 70%. wud that be ok?

thanx for ur help!! :thumbsup:

 

[iamtrout]

Clean the proc and HSF while they are out of the socket. 70% iso is ok, but like I said, acetone is quicker (and cheap to boot). I don't have much experience with this particular Intel CPU, but it may be that they just run really hot and there's nothing that you can do about it. Upgrading the HSF might gain you a 5C advantage, but probably not beyond that unless it was some kind of behemoth. What's your ambient temperature there in the Phillipenes?

Try doing a search for your class of CPU to see if heat is a common issue (I think it is, although I don't know the specific numbers.)

 

[M4Carbine]

do u think that its safe to run at this temp. its 59C a couple of seconds after boot so it will probably go up under load.

the temperature here is around 30C or a bit more. and ryt now im not runnin the A/C in the room, only jst a couple of fans. so its pretty warm in here. so that prob doesnt help.

 

[Operandi]

Something is defiantly wrong here. I take it this is the Intel cooler that is bundled with retail units?

I'm not sure which HSF you have but it should get decent performance from it. Maybe its defective?, is base of the unit curved or damaged in anyway way?

And you can defiantly net more then a 5C temp drop with a better heatsink

 

[iamtrout]

I did a quick search and 60C idle is definitely hot for the prescott that you have. It could be a temp probe error however. Put your fingers on the side of the HSF when the system is running. Is it so hot that it hurts? If it's only warm, chances are your temp probe's messed up. If it does hurt, however, you've got one hot processor.

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: M4Carbine
do u think that its safe to run at this temp. its 59C a couple of seconds after boot so it will probably go up under load.

the temperature here is around 30C or a bit more. and ryt now im not runnin the A/C in the room, only jst a couple of fans. so its pretty warm in here. so that prob doesnt help.

What?s the case temp?

Let it run in bios for a few mins at idle if it doesn?t move past 60C let it boot and see what happens. You'll get instability and crashes long before you are able to damage the CPU so it?s safe as long as your are not careless.

 

[iamtrout]

Originally posted by: Operandi
And you can defiantly net more then a 5C temp drop with a better heatsink

*shrugs*

It's been a while since I've air cooled and had to deal with a hot CPU, which means you should probably take my assumptions about air cooling cautiously.

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: iamtrout

Originally posted by: Operandi
And you can defiantly net more then a 5C temp drop with a better heatsink

*shrugs*

It's been a while since I've air cooled and had to deal with a hot CPU, which means you should probably take my assumptions about air cooling cautiously.

Yep, heatsinks keep innovating. I can get 5C (maybe?) temp drop by changing the speed of my fan on my Alpha PAL8045 with speedfan.

 

[iamtrout]

Originally posted by: Operandi

Originally posted by: iamtrout

Originally posted by: Operandi
And you can defiantly net more then a 5C temp drop with a better heatsink

*shrugs*

It's been a while since I've air cooled and had to deal with a hot CPU, which means you should probably take my assumptions about air cooling cautiously.

Yep, heatsinks keep innovating. I can get 5C (maybe?) temp drop by changing the speed of my fan on my Alpha PAL8045 with speedfan.

DAMN!

 

[M4Carbine]

guys this time i kept it runnin in the BIOS for bout 5min. when i went to the BIOS from cold start it was 50C it slowly went up to 59C within bout a min.

when it went to 59C as u said i put my finger on the HS..it didnt feel even a bit hot! i could feel warm air around it from the fans but my finger felt no heat. i tried again after a minute and it felt a bit warm but dats all. i had no trouble keepin my finger on the HS. the temperature stays at 59 to 60C. :Q

 

[iamtrout]

Ok. I'm pretty sure it's a bonked temp sensor or your mobo isn't reading it right. Try to download the latest BIOS and see if it changes anything.

Also good to know that there's probably nothing physical wrong and dangerous.