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Guy "hacks" casino machine

yeah house win anyways. It is OK if they trick the players "you have a chance to win big".

They only way to beat house is to not play.
 
postmortemIA said:
yeah house win anyways. It is OK if they trick the players "you have a chance to win big".

They only way to beat house is to not play.
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Don't think they trick the players, any even semi intelligent person knows it probably won't happen. One of my clients won $28k at Pachanga 2 years ago. I can assure you he didn't lose even a fraction of that before he won.
 
Ehh the guy is a idiot if they abused this to win 5 big rewards in a hour.

Do one a day every week or so in different places and not at the same time like that as you earned your jail time.
 
Farang said:
Not a crime, not hacking. He played by the machine's rules and did not alter them
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So if the person used a computer at his work and edited what he makes per week to be 10x the amount that's ok as the admin forgot to log out?

Exploiting bugs in a computer system is never fun if you do it to essentially rob people, even giant casinos who probably earned it.
 
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Newbian said:
So if the person used a computer at his work and edited what he makes per week to be 10x the amount that's ok as the admin forgot to log out?

Exploiting bugs in a computer system is never fun if you do it to essentially rob people, even giant casinos who probably earned it.
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Apples and oranges. You do not have the right to edit anything under the responsibility of the admin. In this case he played the game in a certain way that resulted in winning. The difference is he did not change the rules of the game.. in your example you are changing the rules (the amount you "win" per hour worked).

By placing the machine in public the casino is essentially inviting people to accept a contract--pay X amount to play this game we have created. It is their own fault if that game, if played a certain way, results in a loss for them. It is not fair for them to say later 'we didn't mean for it to be played that way' because they lost.
 
Farang said:
Apples and oranges. You do not have the right to edit anything under the responsibility of the admin. In this case he played the game in a certain way that resulted in winning. The difference is he did not change the rules of the game.. in your example you are changing the rules (the amount you "win" per hour worked).

By placing the machine in public the casino is essentially inviting people to accept a contract--pay X amount to play this game we have created. It is their own fault if that game, if played a certain way, results in a loss for them. It is not fair for them to say later 'we didn't mean for it to be played that way' because they lost.
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So if you go to a atm and figure out a way for it to spit out free cash you are fine if a person does it and gets over 40k in a hour from just one atm?

I would not classify this as hacking so much as abusing a bug but then again people go to jail for that also in some cases when they do enough serious damage.
 
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Zeze said:
Gambling is such a bullshit. House always wins (unless you're a dedicated BJ counter)
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RossMAN said:
must resist
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Newbian said:
So if you go to a atm and figure out a way for it to spit out free cash you are fine if a person does it and gets over 40k in a hour from just one atm?

I would not classify this as hacking so much as abusing a bug but then again people go to jail for that also in some cases when they do enough serious damage.
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I'm fine with it. Secure your shit. Whoever left accessible debug codes on the machine is liable.

It's also laughable that it's a federal crime. The only reason they're involved is feature creep. The federal government is illegally involved in many areas only due to contortions of language and logic.
 
Newbian said:
So if the person used a computer at his work and edited what he makes per week to be 10x the amount that's ok as the admin forgot to log out?

Exploiting bugs in a computer system is never fun if you do it to essentially rob people, even giant casinos who probably earned it.
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This is more like your timesheet system has a button that says "WIN BIG NOW", and you click on it, you win big, and then your employee arrests you for winning bug and using what is already there.

If they didnt want people to do that, it shouldnt be in the machine!
 
Ancalagon44 said:
This is more like your timesheet system has a button that says "WIN BIG NOW", and you click on it, you win big, and then your employee arrests you for winning bug and using what is already there.

If they didnt want people to do that, it shouldnt be in the machine!
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The problem is those two knew about the bug and heavily abused it.

It wasn't a one time incident but the story says they used this in multiple casinos and were stupid enough to abuse it so many times in such a short order at the same place.
 
Newbian said:
The problem is those two knew about the bug and heavily abused it.

It wasn't a one time incident but the story says they used this in multiple casinos and were stupid enough to abuse it so many times in such a short order at the same place.
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So he is responsible for bugs in their system now?

Am I responsible for the PlayStation store hack, or is Sony?

Lets be clear - he did not hack their systems at all.
 
I see no crime here. Dirty but not illegal; similar to running a casino.

The objective is to make the machines payout by pressing buttons. If the manufacturer fucked up and gave the player the edge for a change, that's their problem.

I read an article about this the other day and it said the guy has played 12M worth of slots in (i forget the timespan) and lost 1M or so... they should probably just call it even.
 
Newbian said:
So if you go to a atm and figure out a way for it to spit out free cash you are fine if a person does it and gets over 40k in a hour from just one atm?

I would not classify this as hacking so much as abusing a bug but then again people go to jail for that also in some cases when they do enough serious damage.
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Again apples to oranges. The agreement you are entering into with the bank, when you choose to use their ATM machine, is that it is a tool for you to access funds in your account. If you took extra money through a glitch, that is an issue just like if a teller gave you extra money.

In the case of the casino, they decided to create virtual experience where you pay for a chance to make money. Therefore all rules were created by them and exist within the game that is in front of the user. If a user can play the game in a certain way to win more often, without altering the rules or 'hacking' the programming, but by simply playing the game as created, that is the fault of the casino which took on the responsibility to create the game.

Compare again to the bank, which is attempting to provide additional service from the machine. The rules of that 'game' exist outside of the machine itself--you are using it to be a customer at a bank.
 
Perhaps a more apt comparison would be World of Warcraft?

Lets say I discover a weapon that was put in during testing, has ungodly levels of power, and was never meant for use in the game.

I use this weapon, repeatedly, and Blizzard catches me.

They will likely ban my account, but not sue me, even if I financially gain from it, say by selling powerful items that I have farmed using the weapon.
 
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