Guy at UCLA computer lab gets tasered (now with youtube video!!)

[preslove]

Originally posted by: Citrix
so for all of you who say the cops did wrong in tazering this moron. if you were in the cops shoes how would you have handled it?

just curious.

I would have let the student (who I am being paid to protect) leave the library and not grab him in the first place.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: Citrix
so for all of you who say the cops did wrong in tazering this moron. if you were in the cops shoes how would you have handled it?

just curious.

How would I have handled it? first of all its a public univ. I wouldn't be going around and asking people for IDs like a douche.

Second when the guy is leaving I would not grab his arm I'd let him go and make fun of his lame butt with my cop buddies.

I wouldn't tazer him and them demand him to get up.

Its like punching a dude in the face and he falls over then punching him again and asking him to get up, the guys obviously didn't like him.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: Citrix
so for all of you who say the cops did wrong in tazering this moron. if you were in the cops shoes how would you have handled it?

just curious.

I would have let the student (who I am being paid to protect) leave the library.

{buzzzz} wrong answer. as a cop you are not being paid to protect anybody. you as a cop are getting paid to enforce the law and to keep public order. Police depts have been sued or tried to be sued many times becuase they didnt get to a crime in time to stop it after being dispatched. each case was thrown out because the courts ruled that it is not the police depts job to protect individual citizens.

 

[George P Burdell]

Originally posted by: Citrix
so for all of you who say the cops did wrong in tazering this moron. if you were in the cops shoes how would you have handled it?

just curious.

For starters, I wouldn't have grabbed a kid when he was leaving the library.

Then again, the complete story isn't out yet.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: preslove
That cop needs to, and probably will be fired.

I'll go through bold the stupidity and incompetence:

At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not exit the building immediately.

The CSOs left, returning minutes later, and police officers arrived to escort the student out. By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well.

The student began to yell "get off me," repeating himself several times.

It was at this point that the officers shot the student with a Taser for the first time, causing him to fall to the floor and cry out in pain. The student also told the officers he had a medical condition.

UCPD officers confirmed that the man involved in the incident was a student, but did not give a name or any additional information about his identity.

Video shot from a student's camera phone captured the student yelling, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your ****** abuse of power," while he struggled with the officers.

As the student was screaming, UCPD officers repeatedly told him to stand up and said "stop fighting us." The student did not stand up as the officers requested and they shot him with the Taser at least once more.

"It was the most disgusting and vile act I had ever seen in my life," said David Remesnitsky, a 2006 UCLA alumnus who witnessed the incident.

As the student and the officers were struggling, bystanders repeatedly asked the police officers to stop, and at one point officers told the gathered crowd to stand back and threatened to use a Taser on anyone who got too close.

1). Whoever put in place a policy requiring a id to use the computer labs is a fvcking idiot. Most large universities just have students log into computer terminals using their campus wide ID # and password. This means students, staff, and faculty will be able to use the computers, but random people/vagrants won't. Requiring identification and having random sweeps just puts the staff in a confrontational situation with patrons and brings police into it when using the standard computer lab set up prevents this.

2). The student was complying with the order to leave, but the cop grabbed him. Why does he need to physically seize a student that is leaving?

3). The guy is threatening students? Fvck him, he is a danger to the campus, not a help. His job is to protect the students, faculty, staff, and property of the university. He wasn't doing this, but was assaulting someone he is paid to protect, and threatening students for acting in a correct fashion (asking for his informatin and requesting that he calm the fvck down).

I just don't understand who is stupid enough to enforce a policy that puts students in such a confrontational position with the authorities. A university library is a public space paid for by state tax dollars, the general public should be allowed inside. Computer labs can be restricted to university users with a simple login mechanism that is pretty much standard for large universities. What if he was a student from another university doing research, doesn't he have a right to use that institution for its intended purpose (academic research)?

The cop needs to go and the policy needs to be changed.

And yes, the student sounds like a douche, but that doesn't change the incompetence of the authorities in this situation.

We have labs too in Berkeley and some labs are in the libraries. Our main libraries are students only / library card owners only. If you fail to produce a card, you will be in trouble. Now, I have friends who work the security desks and no, they don't call the cops on you. The only times I've seen cops show up was when the streakers run through the library. So what if the policy is flawed, it's not flawed IMO and just because YOUR university does it a different way doesn't mean it should be changed. There's a reason WHY we have student-only areas, so hobos don't freaking walk in.

University libraries are NOT public space and that's why we don't let idiots come in. Who cares if he's another student from another university. If you fail to produce your ID card, you're just going to walk in? When I forget my ID card I talk ot the security guy and make sure it's ok to go in before I walk straight in. The kid's stupid, but even though he's stupid he doesnt deserve a taser shot. Maybe the cops can come and yell at him and warn him, but that's about as far as they should go.

Now I agree that tasering a kid is stupid. We have sit-in protests where idiots protest about Oak trees next to our stadium being cut down or naked protests where people protest sweatshops, and when people sit and refuse to move from our campus administrative offices, the cops arrest them and bam. I've never heard of ANY taser issue here.

Why couldn't they just drag the kid out? If he was leaving can't they make sure he just leaves? It's just like when you get thrown out of a club. They tell you to leave. If you're leaving, then that's fine. The bouncers won't beat your @$$ down unless you're trying to fvck with them. Same deal. Let teh kid leave.

Tasered multiple times? If you have the guy cuffed and tasered once, that's enough. Drag him out. Don't taser him 5 times. Why are you telling at him to stand up? Do you just want to humiliate the kid because he's been tasered once and his muscles are probably fvcked up?

 

[r6ashih]

In his facebook profile someone says this:
last time i saw you we were running from the federalies. hope you made it out alright.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: George P Burdell

Originally posted by: Citrix
so for all of you who say the cops did wrong in tazering this moron. if you were in the cops shoes how would you have handled it?

just curious.

For starters, I wouldn't have grabbed a kid when he was leaving the library.

Then again, the complete story isn't out yet.

Let's see, I would yell at him and tell him to leave. You don't taser a kid because he's in a library wtih out an ID card. I would taser a kid who shows up to the Lawrence Berkeley Lab without a freaking ID because that's government property and it's restricted access. A kid in a library isn't a threat. It's not like this is a NATIONAL SECURITY issue. Yea the kid has a bomb, or a gun.. right, he woudl be a threat anywhere then, and the library is no special place that he deserves physical abuse.

If he doesn't leave, yea we'll grab him and throw him out. If he physically resists, throw him on the ground, cuff him, drag him out. No taser needed. If he's seriously hard to deal with, taser him.

 

[Andyb23]

Originally posted by: r6ashih
In his facebook profile someone says this:
last time i saw you we were running from the federalies. hope you made it out alright.

Viva La Revolution

 

[UDT89]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: Citrix
so for all of you who say the cops did wrong in tazering this moron. if you were in the cops shoes how would you have handled it?

just curious.

How would I have handled it? first of all its a public univ. I wouldn't be going around and asking people for IDs like a douche.

Second when the guy is leaving I would not grab his arm I'd let him go and make fun of his lame butt with my cop buddies.

I wouldn't tazer him and them demand him to get up.

Its like punching a dude in the face and he falls over then punching him again and asking him to get up, the guys obviously didn't like him.

maybe thats why they check IDs b/c its a private university and people pay good money to go to that school.........

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: UDT89

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: Citrix
so for all of you who say the cops did wrong in tazering this moron. if you were in the cops shoes how would you have handled it?

just curious.

How would I have handled it? first of all its a public univ. I wouldn't be going around and asking people for IDs like a douche.

Second when the guy is leaving I would not grab his arm I'd let him go and make fun of his lame butt with my cop buddies.

I wouldn't tazer him and them demand him to get up.

Its like punching a dude in the face and he falls over then punching him again and asking him to get up, the guys obviously didn't like him.

maybe thats why they check IDs b/c its a private university and people pay good money to go to that school.........

It's public.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: UDT89

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: Citrix
so for all of you who say the cops did wrong in tazering this moron. if you were in the cops shoes how would you have handled it?

just curious.

How would I have handled it? first of all its a public univ. I wouldn't be going around and asking people for IDs like a douche.

Second when the guy is leaving I would not grab his arm I'd let him go and make fun of his lame butt with my cop buddies.

I wouldn't tazer him and them demand him to get up.

Its like punching a dude in the face and he falls over then punching him again and asking him to get up, the guys obviously didn't like him.

maybe thats why they check IDs b/c its a private university and people pay good money to go to that school.........

Last time I checked UCLA is NOT a private school. Either way, you check IDs because you have restricted access areas not because it's a public/private school. Good god. I can get into StanFUrd's libraries. What does that mean?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: UDT89

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: Citrix
so for all of you who say the cops did wrong in tazering this moron. if you were in the cops shoes how would you have handled it?

just curious.

How would I have handled it? first of all its a public univ. I wouldn't be going around and asking people for IDs like a douche.

Second when the guy is leaving I would not grab his arm I'd let him go and make fun of his lame butt with my cop buddies.

I wouldn't tazer him and them demand him to get up.

Its like punching a dude in the face and he falls over then punching him again and asking him to get up, the guys obviously didn't like him.

maybe thats why they check IDs b/c its a private university and people pay good money to go to that school.........

Last time I checked UCLA is NOT a private school. Either way, you check IDs because you have restricted access areas not because it's a public/private school. Good god. I can get into StanFUrd's libraries. What does that mean?

well the idea is to keep the computers free (after 11pm) for students. i can agree with that.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

I think most people agree that maybe, not knowing all the circumstances, maybe he should have been tasered and then arrested, but there is no reason to taser him 5 times, if at all once. I want to know why they couldn't just arrest him before tasering him. It didnt seem they tried, he was a dumbass, but you shouldn't taser all dumbass'.

also threating to taser someone for asking your information is beyond dumb.

so basically it was 1 dumbass kid and 3+ dumbass police

 

[Skunkwourk]

disclaimer: I don't know crap about tasers, and Im not a cop.

I don't know why the kid didn't just get up after that 1st tase. He was able to go on that rant about justice or whatever. Seems like he could have stood up. Still 5 times was excessive. If a bouncer can kick a drunk guy out of a club, why couldn't they carry this guy out?

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Eghck
disclaimer: I don't know crap about tasers, and Im not a cop.

I don't know why the kid didn't just get up after that 1st tase. He was able to go on that rant about justice or whatever. Seems like he could have stood up. Still 5 times was excessive. If a bouncer can kick a drunk guy out of a club, why couldn't they carry this guy out?

He didn't get up (but was able to talk) because his muscles were incapacitated, not his vocal chords.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Syringer
http://www.dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960

People in the "community" are bringing up "police brutality" accusations too, which is absolutely ridiculous. He wasn't beat up, he wasn't even hit at all. Calling police brutality on cases like these would be a great insult to american heroes such as Rodney King.

Rodney King was never a hero. He was a spaced out junkie that got lucky.

 

[bucwylde23]

The guy obviously doesn't appear to have had the proper identification or authorization to even be in that library.

When asked to leave, he would not, until it escalated to the point of the police having to be called.

Seriously, why didn't he just let the police officers do their jobs and escort his douchebag ass out of the library where he was not allowed to be?

And for God sakes if someone told me that I was going to be tasered if I didn't stand up, you can bet your ass that I would be standing up.

And that other guy that the police officer threatened to taze as well, he was in the police officer's faces yelling at them. Talk about another douchebag asking for the same kind of treatment. What is wrong with those people?

So what if a police officer grabs your arm to escort you out. They wouldn't have been called if he had left when he had a chance to on his own. Good for the officers, he got what he deserved.

 

[bucwylde23]

Originally posted by: Eghck
disclaimer: I don't know crap about tasers, and Im not a cop.

I don't know why the kid didn't just get up after that 1st tase. He was able to go on that rant about justice or whatever. Seems like he could have stood up. Still 5 times was excessive. If a bouncer can kick a drunk guy out of a club, why couldn't they carry this guy out?

police officers aren't bouncers.....

 

[oogabooga]

It sounded like the kid had plenty of opportunity to leave. Just leave. That's it. The CSO was the first to make contact, then apparently called the police. The police didn't slam down the door and slam a stun gun down his throat yelling "do you feel lucky".

If I was being asked to show Id I would show ID or explain why I dont have it. If I was asked to leave for failing to show ID I would ask to save my work or leave. EVEN if he was working on some super long project I doubt he wouldn't have enough time to save his work, probably even email it to himself before the cops arrived.

If they asked me to leave, I would leave, I certainly wouldn't wait to get tased (sp?)

If they tased me I don't think I would yell out things like "I HAVE A MEDICAL CONDITION" (yea, this was the time to bring that up) or "YOU'RE ABUSING YOUR POWER" or "PATrIOT ACT !!1one!!!"


Not saying the police were in the right here (cops in la abusing power? unheard of...), but this kid was definatley in the wrong.

 

[KrillBee]

follow the cops and do EXACTLY what they ask, regardless of how unfair it sounds or whether or not you agree with it.

Or else there is a good chance you will get tazed.

 

[uberman]

Originally posted by: Turin39789
Hot dogs - 50 cents
Marshmallows - 3 for $.10
Beer - $.75 cents

I'd get a few beers, but not without Beer Nuts.

What's the difference between Beer Nuts and deer nuts?

Beer Nuts are $1.29 and deer nuts are under a buck.

 

[tylerdustin2008]

WOW, this will be a major lawsuit. Idiots just because they are police does not mean they have the right to do somethin unjustified like this.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Andyb23

Originally posted by: Citrix
so for all of you who say the cops did wrong in tazering this moron. if you were in the cops shoes how would you have handled it?

just curious.

How would I have handled it? first of all its a public univ. I wouldn't be going around and asking people for IDs like a douche.

Second when the guy is leaving I would not grab his arm I'd let him go and make fun of his lame butt with my cop buddies.

I wouldn't tazer him and them demand him to get up.

Its like punching a dude in the face and he falls over then punching him again and asking him to get up, the guys obviously didn't like him.

I dont understand your first statement. The cop didnt make up the policy of checking ID's cuz he felt like it, he is enforcing school policy

 

[pnad]

At first I was thinking if the dumbass didn't want to get up the cops could have grabbed his ankles and dragged him out probably harming him in the process.

But then I looked at it from this perspective. It seems to me the student was actually attempting a non violent protest (laying down). Do you think if there were a bunch of anti-abortion protesters laying on the ground in front of a clinic the cops would taze them? I think not. I do think 3 cops should have been able to remove the guy without tazing him. If he started to struggle/resist (other than yelling 'DON'T TOUCH ME') then zap him.

 

[PurdueRy]

I agree with the police for the most part. I do think 5 times was excessive...I think they shoulda just dragged that ass outta there after the first but I am no cop so I don't pretend to know what their standard practice is. All I know is that I would never resist an officer and would not give them trouble just because I felt like it.