[Guru3d] Radeon RX 470 Benchmarks

[Gorbugal]

Seriously? Does this really need to be explained yet again? No, because you know exactly the answer to your question as you answered it yourself.

Yup the questions are totally disingenuous.

Yea, explain to me how paying 230$ for next year console graphics are exciting in a PC enthusiast forum?

@ casiofx, my 170$ overclocked 960 4gb is a good buy for a place holder..

Slapping a completely arbitrary label like placeholder on your card to try and immunize it from the same criticisms you're attempting to level against this one is hilarious. How long are you allowed to own a card as a "placeholder" before it magically becomes a legitimate purchase? The mental gymnastics are tragically transparent.

 

[Vesku]

These cards are made for DX-12 and Vulkan, comparing them against last gen cards only in 3D Mark FireStrike is stupid.

PC gamers are likely to have some favorite "old" games so relevant for how high of a VSR can be used. Plus not every new title will be native DX12 or Vulkan, at least not for a while yet.

 

[AtenRa]

WHats so great about these cards for the millions of people that bought 290's, 290x's ,gtx780's, 780ti's, gtx970's and gtx980's?

Like many people are going to replace their GTX 980Ti for a new low power GTX 1070, same will happen with many people that will replace their 290's, 290x's ,gtx780's, 780ti's, gtx970's and gtx980's for a better DX 12 performamce and lower power RX 480.

 

[AtenRa]

PC gamers are likely to have some favorite "old" games so relevant for how high of a VSR can be used. Plus not every new title will be native DX12 or Vulkan, at least not for a while yet.

If you want to stick to an old DX-11 game fine, but what will happen when your next favorable game next year is DX-12 and you dont want to upgrade again ??

Also, lets wait and see how those cards will perform in actual DX-11 games with latest drivers and not just in 3D Mark FireStrike.

 

[faseman]

Yea, explain to me how paying 230$ for next year console graphics are exciting in a PC enthusiast forum?

@ casiofx, my 170$ overclocked 960 4gb is a good buy for a place holder..

Your bias is showing.....

The same money this year can get you double the frames. But you've somehow managed to twist that into a negative? How truly bizarre.

 

[Vesku]

If you want to stick to an old DX-11 game fine, but what will happen when your next favorable game next year is DX-12 and you dont want to upgrade again ??

Also, lets wait and see how those cards will perform in actual DX-11 games with latest drivers and not just in 3D Mark FireStrike.

GCN1 does alright in DX12/Vulkan. That said, I'm probably going to get a 480 especially if the 470 is a big step down. If it is heavily cut it will be breaking a nice streak AMD had going with 5850, 6950, 7950 (280) and 290 (390).

 

[casiofx]

GCN1 does alright in DX12/Vulkan. That said, I'm probably going to get a 480 especially if the 470 is a big step down. If it is heavily cut it will be breaking a nice streak AMD had going with 5850, 6950, 7950 (280) and 290 (390).

Your analogy is wrong.

It can't be compared to those cards, this is the new pitcairn (7870)

 

[AtenRa]

GCN1 does alright in DX12/Vulkan. That said, I'm probably going to get a 480 especially if the 470 is a big step down. If it is heavily cut it will be breaking a nice streak AMD had going with 5850, 6950, 7950 (280) and 290 (390).

Well, it seems the RX 480 will be close to 2x faster in DX-12 games vs HD7850/70 and HD7950/70

For up to $240 its a huge upgrade for those people, especially if you count the 4GB $150 RX 470.

Also those GTX 600/700 and up to GTX 960 owners will be able to upgrade for more than 2X DX-12 performance and not spend $500-600 for a NVIDIA card

 

[Vesku]

Your analogy is wrong.

It can't be compared to those cards, this is the new pitcairn (7870)

7850 too then. 470 is looking like it will be a deeper cut.

 

[3DVagabond]

Probably that the 750 Ti offered close to GTX480 performance four years after Fermi launched with an even larger power and price advantage.

Massively more efficient than the 480? Isn't that every card ever made? lol

 

[3DVagabond]

What I take away from this: Both Polaris and Pascal seem to target around 60W per 100mm². That would cap both architectures at around 450mm² if you want to stay within 300W, unless you drop clocks (=area efficiency).

Polaris is going to be a very short lived uarch. I think these are the only two chips planned (P10 and P11). Vega is a new uarch again. Better perf/W.

 

[3DVagabond]

That's optimistic. I would say some are experiencing horror at AMD releasing the RX models. Years of progress about to be lost.

Years of progressive price hikes about to be lost. :ninja:

 

[3DVagabond]

SO a good guess by reading this article...........
150$ 470 ~= 290 (200$ in 2015) with free games, clocked at 390 levels
229$ 480 ~= 290x (279$ in 2015) with free games, clocked at 390x levels

lower power and lower price, same 2013 performance.

WHats so great about these cards for the millions of people that bought 290's, 290x's ,gtx780's, 780ti's, gtx970's and gtx980's?

Seems good for the people who bought a 280x or 270x, not a bad upgrade.
Seems more like console graphics will be like in the new Xbox and Ps4 next year.

These are for people who buy <$300 video cards before they are eol.

 

[Silverforce11]

WHats so great about these cards for the millions of people that bought 290's, 290x's ,gtx780's, 780ti's, gtx970's and gtx980's?

Depending on the performance, it may be a great upgrade for 780 and 780Ti owners, given how crap Kepler is doing in modern games.

Also you are asking the wrong question.

It should be: What about the 10s of millions of people who bought the 750Ti, 950, 960, 260, 270X, 360, 370X, 380, 380X etc?

Then you have to factor in even more who have GPUs that are even older than that. Dating back to Fermi, Evergreen and beyond. If you want to understand the market clearer you also have to factor new system builders or PC buyers today and onwards.

I hope you understand that there's tiers or segments of GPUs and both AMD & NV have always staggered their releases over a period of months. Because if you don't, you do not deserve a response in the future.

The important thing here is AMD is targeting their upcoming release at ~84% of the GPU buying market.

 

[AtenRa]

The important thing here is AMD is targeting their upcoming release at ~84% of the GPU buying market.

Yea i really want to see the RX 460 vs GTX 750Ti/950, this is the OEM/Moba/HomeTheater/Mobile segment and the bulk of the volume shipments(the one that raise Market share significantly).

 

[DarkKnightDude]

This is going to be priced at what? 150 USD? Could be a huge seller. Bigger then the 480 possibly.

 

[happy medium]

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The important thing here is AMD is targeting their upcoming release at ~84% of the GPU buying market

As they did with the 280x,380, 270x,380x,370. Are you going to say they didn't target that market for the last 5 years?
I don't get what all th hype is about?
They will be lower and mid range cards for lower and mid range prices.

And on the other hand I see people acting like Nvidia is just gonna abandon the mid range,not release the 1060 and 1050 and just let AMD have the mid range /low end.

Next it will be Nvidia abandons all notebooks also and will stand by and watch AMD take all the market share.

Silverforce you always seemed to have you head screwed on right. Is this what you thinks gonna happen? Seriously.

 

[R0H1T]

Depending on the performance, it may be a great upgrade for 780 and 780Ti owners, given how crap Kepler is doing in modern games.

Also you are asking the wrong question.

It should be: What about the 10s of millions of people who bought the 750Ti, 950, 960, 260, 270X, 360, 370X, 380, 380X etc?

Then you have to factor in even more who have GPUs that are even older than that. Dating back to Fermi, Evergreen and beyond. If you want to understand the market clearer you also have to factor new system builders or PC buyers today and onwards.

I hope you understand that there's tiers or segments of GPUs and both AMD & NV have always staggered their releases over a period of months. Because if you don't, you do not deserve a response in the future.

The important thing here is AMD is targeting their upcoming release at ~84% of the GPU buying market.

Basically the P10 & P11 is for GPU owners that have GTX 750~960 card, or something similar for other GPUs released since 2010, & they cover a very large market. It wouldn't be too short of ~100 million, the potential market, as there are users who upgrade every 3~5 years. Of course not every one of them is going to upgrade, or upgrade to AMD, but the potential buyers are far too many for any GPU maker to neglect for (too) long. Depending on the lifetime of Polaris, you know like the evergreen 79xx series on 28nm, these GPUs could well exceed ~50 million in sales volumes just on the desktop.

 

[OatisCampbell]

Like many people are going to replace their GTX 980Ti for a new low power GTX 1070, same will happen with many people that will replace their 290's, 290x's ,gtx780's, 780ti's, gtx970's and gtx980's for a better DX 12 performamce and lower power RX 480.

I wouldn't bet any money on that one.

"I'm going to sell the card I paid over $600 for last year to get some better DX12 on a few games and save $10 a year on electricity"?!?!?

They might buy a 1080, they might wait for a 1080Ti/Vega, or they might buy two 1070s- but not one 1070.

All those other cards you listed cost at least $400 at launch. You think people are going to start side grading at half or less than what they are used to spending to get some better DX12 and $10 a year less electricity?!?!

Dude if that happens I'll vote for Trump and go to work on the wall around the country.

 

[selni]

Basically the P10 & P11 is for GPU owners that have GTX 750~960 card, or something similar for other GPUs released since 2010, & they cover a very large market. It wouldn't be too short of ~100 million, the potential market, as there are users who upgrade every 3~5 years. Of course not every one of them is going to upgrade, or upgrade to AMD, but the potential buyers are far too many for any GPU maker to neglect for (too) long. Depending on the lifetime of Polaris, you know like the evergreen 79xx series on 28nm, these GPUs could well exceed ~50 million in sales volumes just on the desktop.

Not anytime soon without a miracle, total discrete GPU sales are something like 50m/year now and mostly falling.

 

[R0H1T]

Not anytime soon without a miracle, total discrete GPU sales are something like 50m/year now and mostly falling.

I'm not talking about 50m a year, but during the lifetime of Polaris

The potential buyers are those who've installed 50~250$ GPUs in the last five (or more) years, including second hand market. The vast majority, like more than 70% or so, upgrade every 3~5 years & if they see a good VFM product they'll buy it at the right price.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Like many people are going to replace their GTX 980Ti for a new low power GTX 1070, same will happen with many people that will replace their 290's, 290x's ,gtx780's, 780ti's, gtx970's and gtx980's for a better DX 12 performamce and lower power RX 480.

Personally, I am still more interested in DX11 performance than DX12. There are literally zero DX12 games that I am interested in, and a huge backlog of DX 11 games that are cheap now that I have not played. I understand that my case is unusual, but focusing on DX12 only is somewhat cherry picking.

 

[casiofx]

Personally, I am still more interested in DX11 performance than DX12. There are literally zero DX12 games that I am interested in, and a huge backlog of DX 11 games that are cheap now that I have not played. I understand that my case is unusual, but focusing on DX12 only is somewhat cherry picking.

SO what if DX11 performance is still good? Straight away disregard it simply because the better DX12 performance that you won't enjoy?

 

[lixlax]

So is AMD going down the Nvidia route (if the 1536sp count is true) and makes sure that the cut down versions cant be so easily overclocked to and beyond the perfeomance levels of the bigger brother?

If we take current rumours and compare P10 to Pitcairn:
*7850 vs 7870- 7850 has 20% less sps and 14% lower clockspeed
*RX 470 vs RX 480- the 470 has 33% less sps and approximately same clockspeed (maybe a few % lower).

Then we have it, even if P10 is overclocking nicely, the 470 will hardly surpass the perfomance of the 480. The same is basically true for GTX 1070 vs 1080.

 

[Silverforce11]

As they did with the 280x,380, 270x,380x,370. Are you going to say they didn't target that market for the last 5 years?
I don't get what all th hype is about?
They will be lower and mid range cards for lower and mid range prices.

And on the other hand I see people acting like Nvidia is just gonna abandon the mid range,not release the 1060 and 1050 and just let AMD have the mid range /low end.

Next it will be Nvidia abandons all notebooks also and will stand by and watch AMD take all the market share.

Silverforce you always seemed to have you head screwed on right. Is this what you thinks gonna happen? Seriously.

Nobody credible has said NV abandons those lower markets, that's insane.

Likewise, nobody with any shred of credibility can say AMD is abandoning the high-end. Really, people who make that statement with the full public knowledge of Vega + HBM2 on the horizon is beyond reasoning and can go on the ignore list.

Just like we all know GP106 is coming from NV soon.

AMD went entry (P11) & mainstream (P10) first, NV went mid-range with GP104. These are just decisions that each management sees as their best approach. There's good reasons behind both.

NV wants 970, 980 and 980Ti owners to upgrade. They know these gamers upgraded recently from 770, 780 and 780Ti and are keen to do so again. So they jack up the price and extract more profit from this group of frequent upgraders. More profits = good for NV.

AMD is desperate for marketshare gain. The best way for them to gain marketshare is to target the mass market and that's <$300.

RX 470 is rumored to be $149. If the 3dMark result is accurate, it will match the 970 in gaming performance at less than half the price at <100W gaming power load.

That's exciting for a LOT of gamers. Maybe not you or I because we have bigger budgets. But this isn't about us forum warrior enthusiasts. We tend to aim higher. I mean I didn't care about the 750Ti, 950, 960, 370, 380, 380X etc. All pointless to me as a gamer. I had 2x R290 in my main rig back in 2013.

But don't be all sky is falling or Polaris is awful... if the performance from leaks hold, it will be a very disruptive series from AMD due to the combination of low priced perf/$, perf/w and features.