Guns Kill People EDIT: it wsa a .454 Casull...

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: pontifex
the hammer had to have been pulled back for the revolver to go off right? sounds like he wasn't practicing gun safety

No, not necessarily.

how else does a revolver fire?

There might not have been a firing pin block in the revolver. If the hammer hit the floor, it might have generated enough force to set off the primer.

i thought of that too, but most guns these days have a firing pin block, don't they?

1.) Go fuck yourself.

2.) If the revolver is DA (which I'm pretty sure it is, assuming it's a recent model), maybe he tripped with his finger on the trigger. Of course, with a gun that size, he would've had to have been pointing it AT himself for that situation to play out...but I suppose anything is possible in Texas.

3.) I'm not necessarily anti-gun, I'm anti-gun culture. I'm also anti-douchebag, which is why we don't get along.

EDIT: My above assumption was wrong. I assumed it would be the Raging Bull version and now that I see in the edit that it wasn't, I take that back.

when you say gun culture... what do you mean? The idea of buying a couple different guns and enjoying talk of them and taking them out to the range to enjoy every now and then... is that the gun culture you hate? Because if I could afford that, it's what I'd do. But I'm a pyro that loves explosions and loud noises, so guns and rifles are up my ally. That and I need to stay proficient at marksmanship considering that will be my duty in life for the foreseeable future. But I thoroughly go by proper gun safety and have the idea that one should never hold a weapon you are not 100% familiar with in terms of inner workings. At the least, the knowledge of how to clear any weapon you hold is a must.

What the OP describes is an unfortunate accident.
But it appears the man in question did not adhere completely to gun safety considerations. The idea that he tripped while holding a revolver with the hammer pulled back suggests he was moving. Bummer. Takes only one moment of not adhering to proper gun safety for a lethal accident to occur.

and he wouldn't have needed to point it at himself for this to happen. If you fall while in motion, he could have let go of the gun or it could have slipped in his hand. Depending on what direction he fell and other circumstances not mentioned, it could have went down in numerous ways.

:thumbsup: for rational responses.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: pontifex
the hammer had to have been pulled back for the revolver to go off right? sounds like he wasn't practicing gun safety

No, not necessarily.

how else does a revolver fire?

There might not have been a firing pin block in the revolver. If the hammer hit the floor, it might have generated enough force to set off the primer.

i thought of that too, but most guns these days have a firing pin block, don't they?

1.) Go fuck yourself.

2.) If the revolver is DA (which I'm pretty sure it is, assuming it's a recent model), maybe he tripped with his finger on the trigger. Of course, with a gun that size, he would've had to have been pointing it AT himself for that situation to play out...but I suppose anything is possible in Texas.

3.) I'm not necessarily anti-gun, I'm anti-gun culture. I'm also anti-douchebag, which is why we don't get along.

EDIT: My above assumption was wrong. I assumed it would be the Raging Bull version and now that I see in the edit that it wasn't, I take that back.

when you say gun culture... what do you mean? The idea of buying a couple different guns and enjoying talk of them and taking them out to the range to enjoy every now and then... is that the gun culture you hate? Because if I could afford that, it's what I'd do. But I'm a pyro that loves explosions and loud noises, so guns and rifles are up my ally. That and I need to stay proficient at marksmanship considering that will be my duty in life for the foreseeable future. But I thoroughly go by proper gun safety and have the idea that one should never hold a weapon you are not 100% familiar with in terms of inner workings. At the least, the knowledge of how to clear any weapon you hold is a must.

What the OP describes is an unfortunate accident.
But it appears the man in question did not adhere completely to gun safety considerations. The idea that he tripped while holding a revolver with the hammer pulled back suggests he was moving. Bummer. Takes only one moment of not adhering to proper gun safety for a lethal accident to occur.

and he wouldn't have needed to point it at himself for this to happen. If you fall while in motion, he could have let go of the gun or it could have slipped in his hand. Depending on what direction he fell and other circumstances not mentioned, it could have went down in numerous ways.

:thumbsup: for rational responses.

:thumbsdown: for your go fuck yourself comment to pontifex.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: pontifex
the hammer had to have been pulled back for the revolver to go off right? sounds like he wasn't practicing gun safety

No, not necessarily.

how else does a revolver fire?

There might not have been a firing pin block in the revolver. If the hammer hit the floor, it might have generated enough force to set off the primer.

i thought of that too, but most guns these days have a firing pin block, don't they?

1.) Go fuck yourself.

2.) If the revolver is DA (which I'm pretty sure it is, assuming it's a recent model), maybe he tripped with his finger on the trigger. Of course, with a gun that size, he would've had to have been pointing it AT himself for that situation to play out...but I suppose anything is possible in Texas.

3.) I'm not necessarily anti-gun, I'm anti-gun culture. I'm also anti-douchebag, which is why we don't get along.

EDIT: My above assumption was wrong. I assumed it would be the Raging Bull version and now that I see in the edit that it wasn't, I take that back.

Whoa... maybe you should lay off the diet Pepsi Max there. You seem a bit on edge.

 

[BornStar]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: pontifex
the hammer had to have been pulled back for the revolver to go off right? sounds like he wasn't practicing gun safety

No, not necessarily.

how else does a revolver fire?

There might not have been a firing pin block in the revolver. If the hammer hit the floor, it might have generated enough force to set off the primer.

i thought of that too, but most guns these days have a firing pin block, don't they?

1.) Go fuck yourself.

2.) If the revolver is DA (which I'm pretty sure it is, assuming it's a recent model), maybe he tripped with his finger on the trigger. Of course, with a gun that size, he would've had to have been pointing it AT himself for that situation to play out...but I suppose anything is possible in Texas.

3.) I'm not necessarily anti-gun, I'm anti-gun culture. I'm also anti-douchebag, which is why we don't get along.

EDIT: My above assumption was wrong. I assumed it would be the Raging Bull version and now that I see in the edit that it wasn't, I take that back.

This happened in Michigan, not Texas.

 

[sdifox]

Guns don't kill people. Bullets do. Unless someone clobbers you to death with a gun that is.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: sdifox
Guns don't kill people. Bullets do. Unless someone clobbers you to death with a gun that is.

Bullets don't kill people. Transfer of kinetic energy does. Fuck you Newton.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: BornStar

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: pontifex
the hammer had to have been pulled back for the revolver to go off right? sounds like he wasn't practicing gun safety

No, not necessarily.

how else does a revolver fire?

There might not have been a firing pin block in the revolver. If the hammer hit the floor, it might have generated enough force to set off the primer.

i thought of that too, but most guns these days have a firing pin block, don't they?

1.) Go fuck yourself.

2.) If the revolver is DA (which I'm pretty sure it is, assuming it's a recent model), maybe he tripped with his finger on the trigger. Of course, with a gun that size, he would've had to have been pointing it AT himself for that situation to play out...but I suppose anything is possible in Texas.

3.) I'm not necessarily anti-gun, I'm anti-gun culture. I'm also anti-douchebag, which is why we don't get along.

EDIT: My above assumption was wrong. I assumed it would be the Raging Bull version and now that I see in the edit that it wasn't, I take that back.

This happened in Michigan, not Texas.

Ahh, I saw Midland and assumed Texas. My mistake.

 

[OdiN]

Okay....he should NOT have had the gun loaded until he was at the actual firing station and ready to discharge the weapon.

 

[olds]

Simple solution, ban falling.

 

[LTC8K6]

I believe all FA revolvers have either a manual sliding bar safety, or the newer transfer bar safety.

 

[KK]

That sucks, I hate to her that he had young children.

I find it kinda ironic, if that is the right term, that this happened on a sunday morning of all mornings.

 

[skyking]

lets clear the SA vs DA question up:
link to photos of the same model
This a Colt replica Single Action revolver.
This is a quote from the 29 page PDF manual
"CAUTION: IF THE HAMMER IS IN THE FIRED POSITION AND A LIVE CARTRIDGE IS IN LINE WITH THE BARREL AND FIRING PIN, THE REVOLVER WILL FIRE IF IT IS DROPPED, OR IF THE HAMMER IS OTHERWISE STRUCK, WITH SUFFICIENT FORCE."

link to freedom arms site.

It states clearly in the manual to leave the chamber under the hammer empty unless you are fully prepared to discharge the gun.
It lacks the traditional hammer blocking device of a modern day Double Action revolver.

 

[LTC8K6]

"It states clearly in the manual to leave the chamber under the hammer empty unless you are fully prepared to discharge the gun. It lacks the traditional hammer blocking device of a modern day Double Action revolver. "

It does not lack the hammer blocking device.

They always say that, imo. Even Ruger tells you that for their transfer bar revolvers. FA's catalog states that the 83 has a manual sliding bar safety, and their newer models have the transfer bar.

They also have a half-cock position I believe.

Just because they warn you not to keep a round under the hammer, that doesn't mean they don't have some form of hammer block safety.

Below are straight from the manual. It has a hammer block safety, and a half-cock position. It's a very safe pistol when handled properly.

HAMMER SAFETY POSITION - In this position, the
hammer is slightly back and away from the receiver, and you
will see a slight gap between the hammer and receiver. (See
Figure 5)
When the hammer is in this position, the safety bar is
physically positioned between the hammer and receiver to
prevent the hammer from hitting the firing pin. When the
hammer is in the Hammer Safety Position, pulling the trigger
has no effect.

HALF-COCK POSITION - In this position, the hammer is
located approximately midway between the Fired Position
and the Full-Cock Position. (See Figure 4) Use this
hammer position ONLY for loading and unloading the
revolver. In the Half -Cock Position, the trigger will not
move.

 

[skyking]

I read that too, but the big difference is the one position that will allow the dropped gun to fire. That position does not exist in a DA revolver. I wonder if this guy knew about that and how dangerous it was in that condition. I doubt he fell with his finger inside the guard and the gun cocked.
People have left some nice comments on the newspaper site about this guy. What a tragedy

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: sdifox
Guns don't kill people. Bullets do. Unless someone clobbers you to death with a gun that is.

Bullets don't kill people. Transfer of kinetic energy does. Fuck you Newton.

hahaha, if I remember correctly, Indonesia controls bullets. If you are found to possess ammo, it's the death penalty for ya. Has to do with the commie rebels.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Below are straight from the manual. It has a hammer block safety, and a half-cock position. It's a very safe pistol when handled properly.

HAMMER SAFETY POSITION - In this position, the
hammer is slightly back and away from the receiver, and you
will see a slight gap between the hammer and receiver. (See
Figure 5)
When the hammer is in this position, the safety bar is
physically positioned between the hammer and receiver to
prevent the hammer from hitting the firing pin. When the
hammer is in the Hammer Safety Position, pulling the trigger
has no effect.

HALF-COCK POSITION - In this position, the hammer is
located approximately midway between the Fired Position
and the Full-Cock Position. (See Figure 4) Use this
hammer position ONLY for loading and unloading the
revolver. In the Half -Cock Position, the trigger will not
move.

Reading comprehension FTL. The hammer safety position must be MANUALLY engaged. Per that same manual:

The hammer can be placed in the Hammer Safety Position
from other hammer positions by performing the following steps,
in sequence:
A. Carefully place the hammer in the Fired Position as
explained on page 5.
B. Remove your finger from the trigger guard.
C. Gently rotate the cylinder counter-clockwise until it
will no longer rotate. (This will not be necessary if you lowered
the hammer from the Full-Cock Position.)
Figure 5 -- Hammer Safety Position
11
D. Securely grip the hammer with your thumb and pull
it slowly rearward until the cylinder rotates slightly. Then
slowly let the hammer forward until it stops in the Hammer
Safety Position. (This position will become easy to locate
with sufficient practice.)
E. Visually confirm that there is a gap between the
hammer and the receiver, as shown in Figure 5. If there is
no gap, carefully repeat steps A, B, C, D and E.

In other words, the default position for the hammer is not safe and to use the hammer safety position requires a set of manual actions.

And yes, the weapon is safe when handled properly. Part of handling it properly is to keep the chamber under the hammer empty.

ZV

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: KK
That sucks, I hate to her that he had young children.

I find it kinda ironic, if that is the right term, that this happened on a sunday morning of all mornings.

No, that isn't the right word.

 

[Journer]

the hammer could have easily not been pulled back. there have been a number of people who dropped guns on a closed hammer and it hits hard enough to move the pin. thats what i like guns with a half cock.