Guns and the United States

[Teatowel]

A lot of people on this forum are from the US, and I would like to know what their views on guns are, ie not enough restriction, too much etc

In the UK, it is fairly safe to say that unless you are involved in drugs or other organized crime, and then only in certain areas of London, Manchester or Glasgow, you aren't going to be held up with a gun. You can be safe in the knowledge that you can give your wallet and get away, or just run in the first place, as the only thing that a mugger is likely to use is a knife. In the US however, it appears to be a different story.

I was in LA 2 years ago, and stayed in one of the less touristy areas in South Hollywood. Although my friend and I didn't get into trouble, it was scary, as the locals were saying that even small time hoods were carryign guns in that neighbourhood.

 

[Napalm381]

<< . In the US however, it appears to be a different story >>

Based on what? A few news items you're seen in some newspaper? Contrary to what you seem to believe, in many areas of the United States, the threat of being held up by a gun is quite slim. Certainly in major metropolitan areas such as LA, NYC, and the like, the likelihood is far greater. But in a many other large to midsize cities, and most of the smaller towns/rural areas, it is, in your own words, &quot;fairly safe to say that unless you are involved in drugs or other organized crime...you aren't going to be held up with a gun.&quot;

 

[Chef0083]

It is a problem here but I don't think that putting more restrictions on guns or even making them illegal would help. The bad part is there is NO way to keep criminals frome getting them. Criminals usually don;t get them through legal means and so I don't think that putting more restrictions on legal gun owners is going to help one bit. I don't personally own a hand gun though My parents do. I do however have a shotgun and a rifle that I use for hunting( on the rare occasion I get to go) and some sport shooting( ie Skeet and Range shooting ). I think the best place to start is in the proper enforcement of current laws. If me giving up my gun meant that not one more person in this country would ever be killed by a gun I would do it in a second but that is not going to happen.
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[CrumCake]

Some reading for ya.

 

[Chef0083]

Janet Reno is such a TWIT!

 

[Czar]

How do you people think that criminals get hold of guns?

 

[Chef0083]

Czar Guns are bought by criminals the same way drugs are, the black market. A good example of this is the guy who was with Puffy, who shot the person in the club, his gun was bought from someone in New York but it was registered( and stolen from ) a man who live's in Georgia. I know three people of hand from high school who I could call and they could tell me who to get in touch with if I needed a weapon.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

The laws are actually just a little bit beyond where they should be. However the laws are near unenforcable except when used on honest citizens.

I'm guessing that someone who bought a gun in a back alley didn't go through a background check and two week waiting period.

Note: the two week waiting period on guns costs $15 in taxes that is also sales taxed (read: tax on paying tax)

 

[Czar]

Chef0083, thanks for your viewpoint.


Now, where does the black market get the guns?

 

[Chef0083]

I'm sure there are many sources for that kind of thing. One would be theft, another is smuggling from outside the country. They catches people running guns almost as often as they do people running drugs so I would imagine there are alot of guns smuggled into this country that we never know about. There were also some rumors( not sure how true) around Atlanta that guns there were supposed to be melted down were ending up back on the streets somehow so that might be a possibility too.

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[Czar]

But isnt it true that most guns are made in america?

 

[Chef0083]

I guess it would depend on what you mean by &quot;most&quot;! I would have to do some research on that.

 

[Napalm381]

<< But isnt it true that most guns are made in america? >>

And your source for this claim? Off the top of my head I can think of Benelli, HK, SIG, Glock, and Beretta as major non-American firearms manufacturers. In addition, China and Russia are, shall we say, not known for their selectivity in who they sell arms to.

 

[Ulfwald]

Czar, STFU, you only believe what the liberal media wants to tell you, why don't you do some research and develope your mind. Or has Iceland frozen it solid?

Look, we, the US, believe in the God given right to self defense by any means, and if that means getting a gun, then so be it. My honest opinion is that if guns did not exist, then the government would enact &quot;sword control&quot; measures, or perhaps a 5 day waiting period on cross bows.

to disarm your people means that they are now controlable. That is what government intends to do, and I am against being ruled over.

 

[bigvince]

ULFWALD


i am in agreement with you 100% we as citizens should be able to safegaurd ourselves and our properity to what ever end we see fit. if that means i want to have hand gun i my nightstand then so be it, and why does the goverment need to be involved in that desicion? as far as you brits, your crime rate has risen sharply since your gun policy has been implimented. i mean if i rob some one and a cop runs after me with a club (no gun) im gonna laugh and probably out run him.....

 

[Czar]

ulfwald
Czar, STFU, you only

What is with your attitude problem?, its like you cant handle other peoples opinions, and I wasnt even stating any opinions, just asking questions. Just loose the coffeene pills.

 

[Tripleshot]

A neighboring community here has a mayor with the right idea.

Mayor: Firearm ordinance makes a statement

 

[Chef0083]

Kennesaw GA has had the same ordinance for decades. It worked for awhile but now Kenessaw is getting Swallowed my the Metro Atlanta Area and the criminals don't care.
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[Ulfwald]

No czar, in EVERY thread that has been posted about firearms and the control of them, you have made your uneducated, socialist views very clear. I am tired of people like you who know nothing but what little minds can hold going around and saying guns are evil, and people who own them are as well.

So until you have lived here, and experienced being car jacked, or worse, being shot and shot at, keep your mouth shut. I do not hold guns responsible for deaths, I hold the PEOPLE responsible who pull the trigger.

STFU you frozen piece of liberal crap

 

[Napalm381]

Furthermore, the presence of guns is not always directly relatd to the crime rate. In Switzerland, every adult male between the ages of 20 and 42 is required to own a firearm, and be trained in it. Yet Switzerland has extremely low crime rates. Please account for these facts that contradict your data.

 

[Chef0083]

<< STFU you frozen piece of liberal crap >>



IS it just me or did it just get hot in here....









J/k

 

[Ulfwald]

The reason the swiss have a low crime rate IS because every one owns a firearm. Just think, you are a crook, you going to rob someone on the off chance that they may NOT be packing? I don't think so, you chances of getting you arse shot off are greater when law abiding citizens carry weapons for lawful selfdefense purposes only.

I actually lived in Kennesaw, and I have spoken to many crooks in my former line of work who say that they would avoid Kennesaw like the plague, for fear of attempting to do someone harm and then being &quot;capped&quot; in the process.

Remember this, an armed society is a polite society!

 

[Teatowel]

Easy fellas, I didn't mean to start a war on here.

bigvince

It is not true to say that gun crime has increased sharpy since the introduction of tight restrictions after the incident in Dunblane, Scotland. Gun crime has in fact stayed almost exactly the same, which, as more than one person has said, is because people who are gonna use guns for crimes get them from other sources - black market, smuggling or whatever.

ulfwald

You're right..I don't live in a place where carjackings or shootings are common..they make national news and front pages when they do happen.

Maybe it's just a question of a decaying society rather than the guns themselves.

 

[Czar]

ulfwald
So I´m a socialist and a liberal, right, thats in your mind. It seems that you cant handle other peoples opinions. What is so wrong with your view, in my opinion, is that you want to fight the problem at the top and with force. The best way to deal with any problem is to go to the source and cut the suply. In my opnion, that I´m alowed to have, is that maybe not make it harder for you &quot;civil&quot; people to own guns but instead make regulations that would cut import and production of guns by half. That is a solution I belive would cut the flow to the black market. The only problem with this is that your government would never do this because it makes shitload of money from gun sellings. But all this is my opinion that I am alowed to have because of freedom of speech.
Remember this, an armed society is a polite society!
An armed society is a dangerous society.

 

[thebestMAX]

Due to the fact that George Bush is going to get elected, I am now initiating a kindler, gentler me who will no longer comment on political, gun or religious threads, MUCH