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Gunpocalypse happened in CA

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brycejones said:
When is the revolution starting? From the bold talk of some in this forum previously the armed uprising should be starting any minute right?
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No. Americans are conditioned to accept whatever their political masters tell them. Some may object but insurrection isn't happening.
 
Artdeco said:
They don't kick in till Jan 1, there's lots of drama on you tube already.
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I think you mean Jan 20th. Whoever wins we'll certainly live in interesting times. Too bad emigrating to NZ is so hard. I hear they're offering 165k relocation packages in one town. Sure it's common folk jobs but there's no shame in that.
 
This is what gun nutters get. When you oppose anything and everything and cry wolf anytime someone tries to fix an issue you are setting yourself up to get the very thing you oppose.

If you don't want the "anti gun" folks writing gun laws then the gun nutters had better start coming up with real solutions to the issues Americans care about in regards to guns.
 
Moonbeam said:
You will understand this when you understand that people hate themselves, that their fear of others is a projection of the hostility they feel for themselves out there. This is a state of madness, and our acting out of these feelings makes out there also crazy. We are our world and it will be insane as long as we are. It's a really bad situation because what we fear more than all else is to feel our self hate directly, to actually feel what we feel.

Now, don't argue. Just try to see what this, if true, can explain, if it, were it true, dovetail with reality.
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I won't argue at all. But if I accept your hypotheses, I'm a sighted man in a world of the blind. Which would actually explain a lot.
 
ivwshane said:
This is what gun nutters get. When you oppose anything and everything and cry wolf anytime someone tries to fix an issue you are setting yourself up to get the very thing you oppose.

If you don't want the "anti gun" folks writing gun laws then the gun nutters had better start coming up with real solutions to the issues Americans care about in regards to guns.
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The problem becomes one of ownership. When a party is "the party of" something they are reluctant to accept alternatives.

Case in point, there was legislation which would have required recourse for being put on the "terrorist list". I approve. The real problem was a three day requirement, which was not physically possible. So there was a compromise. People could contest their inclusion and the government would have to give cause but in a more reasonable but responsive way. Well in a rational world that would have happened but neither side would allow any credit to go to the other. The Reps will most likely continue their approach and the Dems channelled Cheney and Bush's "terror terror terror", something a real Liberal, Ted Kennedy fell victim to and strenuously argued against back in 2004 because he realized if someone of his status and stature was wrongfully included, no ordinary mortal has a chance in hell.

Partisans. Ack.
 
ivwshane said:
This is what gun nutters get. When you oppose anything and everything and cry wolf anytime someone tries to fix an issue you are setting yourself up to get the very thing you oppose.

If you don't want the "anti gun" folks writing gun laws then the gun nutters had better start coming up with real solutions to the issues Americans care about in regards to guns.
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They didn't ask for help.

I really don't care, don't live in CA, and they have a ton of stupid laws already, not going to stop anytime soon.

My issue is it's going to turn a lot of people into felons, but that's their problem for living there. I left.
 
ivwshane said:
This is what gun nutters get. When you oppose anything and everything and cry wolf anytime someone tries to fix an issue you are setting yourself up to get the very thing you oppose.

If you don't want the "anti gun" folks writing gun laws then the gun nutters had better start coming up with real solutions to the issues Americans care about in regards to guns.
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I see it as the opposite. Laws like this are why groups like the NRA have become somewhat extreme... for every action... you know the rest. This will be another set of laws that will do nothing but harm rights, exactly the kind of stuff the NRA thrives on. They can at times be too hard-nosed, unwilling to consider the other side, I agree. But laws like this have created the monster that is today's NRA. Year's from now if there is no tangible effect on crimes involving firearms, in particular mass murders / terror, then where does that leave these types of laws? What have they achieved?
 
SlowSpyder said:
I see it as the opposite. Laws like this are why groups like the NRA have become somewhat extreme... for every action... you know the rest. This will be another set of laws that will do nothing but harm rights, exactly the kind of stuff the NRA thrives on. They can at times be too hard-nosed, unwilling to consider the other side, I agree. But laws like this have created the monster that is today's NRA. Year's from now if there is no tangible effect on crimes involving firearms, in particular mass murders / terror, then where does that leave these types of laws? What have they achieved?
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What will it prove? That doing the wrong things harder isn't the best policy and then the legislatures will go and do the wrong thing. Rinse, repeat.

The root of the problem, that is the fault is not in the gun but in ourselves. We're a nation where murder is not only acceptable but not immoral in any comprehensible way on the part of some. When one wants to kill for the enjoyment or simply because of the least of affronts then a way will be found.

That's what needs to be addressed, but human nature is hard to reform and governments would rather be seen doing anything than to properly tackle the difficult problems of society. They're not equipped but cannot admit that fact.
 
SlowSpyder said:
I see it as the opposite. Laws like this are why groups like the NRA have become somewhat extreme... for every action... you know the rest. This will be another set of laws that will do nothing but harm rights, exactly the kind of stuff the NRA thrives on. They can at times be too hard-nosed, unwilling to consider the other side, I agree. But laws like this have created the monster that is today's NRA. Year's from now if there is no tangible effect on crimes involving firearms, in particular mass murders / terror, then where does that leave these types of laws? What have they achieved?
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people well say "gee, the laws we passed last time didn't do enough, so let's go even further"

when in reality they are trying to treat a sympton of a problem instead of the problem itself.

gun violence? lack of economic opportunity, drug trade, gangs
suicides? lack of mental health care, and social stigma associated with receiving mental health care ("if i don't admit a problem, it doesn't exist")

and that's most gun violence right there.
 
What a relief! I feel so much safer! Oh wait...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/assault-weapons-deaths_us_5763109de4b015db1bc8c123

To quote for the lazy(and this is a very liberal news site):


There have been at least 267 incidents involving assault-style rifles in 2016, including reported weapons thefts, crimes in which the guns were brandished, arrests for illegal possession and other legal interventions in which they weren’t fired.

Those deaths account for about 2 percent of the 6,153 gun deaths and less than 1 percent of the 12,560 gun injuries the Gun Violence Archive has counted so far this year. This tally consists largely of homicides and assaults, but also includes suicides that were part of a murder-suicide. It also counts accidental deaths, the majority of which involve handguns, not rifles
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Honestly I find it strange nobody hasn't tried for mandatory insurance. Like 5 million liability insurance per rifle 10 million per pistol.
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I think gun owners should have insurance, too. A responsible gun owner should pay for damages to life or property his gun causes, whether intentional or not. If you don't have the means then you need insurance to cover it.
 
ivwshane said:
This is what gun nutters get. When you oppose anything and everything and cry wolf anytime someone tries to fix an issue you are setting yourself up to get the very thing you oppose.

If you don't want the "anti gun" folks writing gun laws then the gun nutters had better start coming up with real solutions to the issues Americans care about in regards to guns.
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you're an idiot and you know this has nothing to do with the actions of the pro gun crowd, its what you far left take no responsibility folks have wanted for ages...

I agree with the poster above who said they should have mental screenings as that would go alot further than this will.
 
Artdeco said:
They didn't ask for help.

I really don't care, don't live in CA, and they have a ton of stupid laws already, not going to stop anytime soon.

My issue is it's going to turn a lot of people into felons, but that's their problem for living there. I left.
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the other concern is that states start to follow...but as you said california has loads of stupid laws which no other states follow.

The good thing is while I think where I live is difficult its no where near as restrictive as california is
 
SlowSpyder said:
I see it as the opposite. Laws like this are why groups like the NRA have become somewhat extreme... for every action... you know the rest. This will be another set of laws that will do nothing but harm rights, exactly the kind of stuff the NRA thrives on. They can at times be too hard-nosed, unwilling to consider the other side, I agree. But laws like this have created the monster that is today's NRA. Year's from now if there is no tangible effect on crimes involving firearms, in particular mass murders / terror, then where does that leave these types of laws? What have they achieved?
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this
 
ivwshane said:
This is what gun nutters get. When you oppose anything and everything and cry wolf anytime someone tries to fix an issue you are setting yourself up to get the very thing you oppose.

If you don't want the "anti gun" folks writing gun laws then the gun nutters had better start coming up with real solutions to the issues Americans care about in regards to guns.
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So you admit it. the liberals are anti-gun nutters.

That's the reason the NRA is against new gun laws. Theres never enough for you.

The NRA doesn't cry wolf, its not crying wolf when what you are warning about happens.
 
Gun violence wont go down.

They'll vote to confiscate guns from homes.

Gun violence wont go down.

They'll find some reason to blame the NRA.

They'll pass special laws for body guards.

The rich will feel safe.

Hillary will figure out some way to take credit for safe New World Order.

She'll pass similar laws for all 50 states.
 
When you specified "CA "I thought Canada.

Them laws aren't not that much different in Canada. It works to a certain extent but doesn't prevent extremists from modifying firearms.
 
bozack said:
you're an idiot and you know this has nothing to do with the actions of the pro gun crowd, its what you far left take no responsibility folks have wanted for ages...

I agree with the poster above who said they should have mental screenings as that would go alot further than this will.
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Of course it has nothing to do with the actions of the pro gun crowd, it has to do with their inaction! Are you fucking stupid or do you just like saying stupid shit?

This post and the next one. Dial it back. It's just an internet forum, not a real life gun battle. If you think they're so stupid, put them on ignore.
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michal1980 said:
So you admit it. the liberals are anti-gun nutters.

That's the reason the NRA is against new gun laws. Theres never enough for you.

The NRA doesn't cry wolf, its not crying wolf when what you are warning about happens.
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No you fucking dipshit, that's why I put anti gun in quotes, it's because gun nutters treat anyone that isn't one of them as anti gun.

I seriously have no idea how you can be so fucking stupid and still post on a message board.

See my note in post #47. Get more sleep, drink less caffeine.Whatever it takes.
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The TAX Dollar is only going to hurt the legal firearm owner that needs a gun in the Bush Vs City Gangs that don't abide by the law.
 
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Did CA gun law seriously just become more restrictive than MA law?

3.). All semiautomatic rifles with removable magazines are banned from sale
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What the fuck does that even mean? 😵
 
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