Originally posted by: jpeyton
Mill, your sig?I'm so flattered.
I can finally call it a night.
Hugs & Kisses AT P&N :laugh:
You are just a troll. Nothing more.
You are just a troll. Nothing more.
My question implies nothing about your voting preference but rather illustrates the hypocrisy of a person who claims a monopoly on patriotism as he sends Americans off to war based on his lies.
Now we have 10,000 troops circling a city where only women and children have been allowed to leave before the assault begins. There are apporximately 100,000 people still in Fallujah. Are they all 'insurgents'???
The Bush administration claims there are no more than 10,000 to 12,000 'insurgents' in all of Iraq. Last time we attacked Fallujah reports told of U.S. snipers shooting everything that moved. Free fire zones. What are we going to gain by killing 100,000 people in Fallujah? Will we win hearts and minds? No, we'll only dig the hole deeper. We'll only create more 'insurgents'.
It's a no win situation and all because Bush lied about WMD in Iraq to sell Americans his invasion. Now America has (supposedly) endorsed his policies by giving him four more years to dig the hole he made in Iraq deeper. Do you think the Iraqis in Fallujah consider America their liberator on the eve of their destruction?
So basically your posts in response to me have nothing to do with my first post which you quoted.
You could start a new thread with your last post there.
Have a good night.
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Man those Iraqi's are getting real good at Butchering each other. It's almost as if they enjoyed it. Too bad we rushed into war based on ridiculously bad Intel and made Iraq so much more dangerous a place for the World and especially it's citizens than it was under that murderous Dictator Hussein.
Mission Accomplished
Mission Accomplished
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Mill, your sig?
I can finally call it a night.
Hugs & Kisses AT P&N :laugh:
Wow, I hope you aren't this disgusting outside of AT.
Agreed. And yet none of those on this forum who claim to be moderate left do anything to decry it...Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Mill, your sig?
I can finally call it a night.
Hugs & Kisses AT P&N :laugh:
You are just a troll. Nothing more.
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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Agreed. And yet none of those on this forum who claim to be moderate left do anything to decry it...Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Mill, your sig?
I can finally call it a night.
Hugs & Kisses AT P&N :laugh:
You are just a troll. Nothing more.
How Republican of you, to share the blame for my statements with others in the P&N crowd.
If you don't decry, you MUST be for it :roll:
Seems like something moderate would do, actually. If someone on the right said anything as disgusting as you, I'd expect nothing less from the moderate conservatives.
Jealous?
JPeyton, you are a walking piece of garbage. I hope a little karma comes around to you someday.
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Sweet, I'm in your sig too? Did you link that thread in your PNAC Newsletter or something?
BTW, what's the record for concurrent sig quotations by one member?
Alchemize, please refrain from personal attacks. They hurt my feelings. I don't think I've personally attacked any of you guys.
Yes. I've seen his other posts. And they appear to me to be regular P&N posts. Controversial? Sure. It's P&N. What's controversial for someone is par for the course for someone else. I haven't seen him post something that was clearly designed only to elecit anger from other people. Sure, anger might be a by-product but that doesn't mean it's a troll, that's more an issue of the readers.
Since we're on the subject of what is healthy for this forum, I would suggest posts with personal insults that have no other message are bad for the forums. Alchemize, why not PM your personal attacks?
He mocks this country, then leeches off us. Then he mocks Iraqis and Americans fighting there.
If that's par for the course -- this place sucks more than I thought.
Right...I'm a conservative :roll:
Thankfully, the majority of the Democrat party thinks like me rather than you or else our candidate would have lost by way more...
Even IF that is true, I don't see how that makes him a troll. He's just somebody with an opinion. A troll has various meanings but mocking genearlly doesn't fall into the category.
P&N is home to a variety of views. Maybe someone can suggest to you a forum where views different than your own....
Are we on the subject of what is healthy for this forum? OK
I would argue that tolerating the cheering the murder of american soldiers, or cheering the murder of Iraqi policemen, or cheering political assassinations is much more unhealthy for the boards than any personal attack could ever be.
I won't sit silently by while someone condones these things.
Nobody says you have to. Only that maybe you could just attack his ideas instead and PM in the insults to him...
Hypothetical: What if an Al-queada member was online and they advocated killing Americans (in non-specific ways, just abstractly) but were otherwise calm and respectful. Would you want them to be banned? I for one like the idea of free speech. I think it makes more interesting too when there are opposing viewpoints.
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I've never cheered political assassinations. That's grounds for banning.
As for mocking this great nation of ours, the great leader in power, or the great effort in Iraq...it's hard not to when you have so much good material to work from. The honor in our re-elected administration is truly breathtaking, and it extends to everything they touch.
Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
Dick Cheney
August 26, 2002
Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
George W. Bush
September 12, 2002
If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
Ari Fleischer
December 2, 2002
The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it.
Ari Fleischer December 6, 2002
We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003
Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
George W. Bush
January 28, 2003
We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
Colin Powell
February 5, 2003
We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
George W. Bush
February 8, 2003
So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
Colin Powell
March 7, 2003
Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George W. Bush
March 17, 2003
Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
Ari Fleisher
March 21, 2003
There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
Gen. Tommy Franks
March 22, 2003
I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
March 23, 2003
One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
March 22, 2003
We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld
March 30, 2003
Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.
Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
April 9, 2003
I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found.
Ari Fleischer
April 10, 2003
We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
George W. Bush
April 24, 2003
There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
April 25, 2003
We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
George W. Bush
May 3, 2003
I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.
Colin Powell
May 4, 2003
We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
May 4, 2003
I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.
George W. Bush
May 6, 2003
U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.
Condoleeza Rice
May 12, 2003
I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.
Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
May 13, 2003
Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.
Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
May 21, 2003
Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.
Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
May 26, 2003
They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
Donald Rumsfeld
May 27, 2003
For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz
May 28, 2003
It was a surprise to me then ? it remains a surprise to me now ? that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.
Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
May 30, 2003
But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them.
George W. Bush Interview with TVP Poland
5/30/2003
You remember when [Secretary of State] Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons ...They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two...And we'll find more weapons as time goes on And we'll find more weapons as time goes on.
George W. Bush Press Briefing
5/30/2003
"We are going to assemble that evidence and present it properly to people? a complete picture." (Of a new intelligence dossier with fresh evidence about Iraq's illegal arsenal)
Prime Minister Blair - London Daily Telegraph - June 2, 2003
"We've made sure Iraq is not going to be used as an arsenal for terrorist groups. We're going to look. We'll reveal the truth. But one thing is certain: no terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime because the Iraqi regime is no more."
President Bush - New York Times - June 5, 2003
"We didn't just make them up one night. Those were eyewitness accounts of people who had worked in the program and knew it was going on, multiple accounts. 'Oh, it was a hydrogen-making thing for balloons. ' No, There's no question in my mind what it was designed for."
Secretary Powell - Time - June 9, 2003
"For bureaucratic reasons we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."
Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz - Vanity Fair - July 2003
"Iraq had a weapons program. Intelligence throughout the decade showed they had a weapons program. I am absolutely convinced with time we'll find out that they did have a weapons program." (From a Cabinet meeting on June 9)
President Bush - Washington Post - June 10, 2003
"The president, in saying programs, also applies that to weapons. The president had repeatedly said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that includes everything knowable up to the opening shots of the war. We still have confidence in that information. You could say Iraq continues to have weapons of mass destruction. We have confidence we're going to find them. They're still there."
Press Secretary Fleischer - Washington Post - June 10, 2003
"We did not know at the time ? maybe someone knew down in the bowels of the agency ? but no one in our circles knew that there were doubts and suspicions that this might be a forgery. Of course it was information that was mistaken." (From Sunday interview)
National Security - Advisor Rice - Los Angeles Times
?I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons? I don't know anybody in any government or any intelligence agency who suggested that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons. That's fact number one.?
Donald Rumsfeld June 2003
?The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his ?nuclear mujahideen?.... his nuclear holy warriors? Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof.... the smoking gun.... that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.?
George W. Bush October 2002
"This nation acted to a threat from the dictator of Iraq. Now there are some who would like to rewrite history; revisionist historians is what I like to call them" - George W. Bush
As for mocking this great nation of ours, the great leader in power, or the great effort in Iraq...it's hard not to when you have so much good material to work from. The honor in our re-elected administration is truly breathtaking, and it extends to everything they touch.
Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
Dick Cheney
August 26, 2002
Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
George W. Bush
September 12, 2002
If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
Ari Fleischer
December 2, 2002
The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it.
Ari Fleischer December 6, 2002
We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003
Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
George W. Bush
January 28, 2003
We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
Colin Powell
February 5, 2003
We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
George W. Bush
February 8, 2003
So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
Colin Powell
March 7, 2003
Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George W. Bush
March 17, 2003
Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
Ari Fleisher
March 21, 2003
There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
Gen. Tommy Franks
March 22, 2003
I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
March 23, 2003
One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
March 22, 2003
We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Donald Rumsfeld
March 30, 2003
Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.
Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
April 9, 2003
I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found.
Ari Fleischer
April 10, 2003
We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
George W. Bush
April 24, 2003
There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
April 25, 2003
We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
George W. Bush
May 3, 2003
I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.
Colin Powell
May 4, 2003
We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld
May 4, 2003
I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.
George W. Bush
May 6, 2003
U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.
Condoleeza Rice
May 12, 2003
I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.
Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
May 13, 2003
Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.
Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
May 21, 2003
Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.
Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
May 26, 2003
They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
Donald Rumsfeld
May 27, 2003
For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.
Paul Wolfowitz
May 28, 2003
It was a surprise to me then ? it remains a surprise to me now ? that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.
Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
May 30, 2003
But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them.
George W. Bush Interview with TVP Poland
5/30/2003
You remember when [Secretary of State] Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons ...They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two...And we'll find more weapons as time goes on And we'll find more weapons as time goes on.
George W. Bush Press Briefing
5/30/2003
"We are going to assemble that evidence and present it properly to people? a complete picture." (Of a new intelligence dossier with fresh evidence about Iraq's illegal arsenal)
Prime Minister Blair - London Daily Telegraph - June 2, 2003
"We've made sure Iraq is not going to be used as an arsenal for terrorist groups. We're going to look. We'll reveal the truth. But one thing is certain: no terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime because the Iraqi regime is no more."
President Bush - New York Times - June 5, 2003
"We didn't just make them up one night. Those were eyewitness accounts of people who had worked in the program and knew it was going on, multiple accounts. 'Oh, it was a hydrogen-making thing for balloons. ' No, There's no question in my mind what it was designed for."
Secretary Powell - Time - June 9, 2003
"For bureaucratic reasons we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction, because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."
Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz - Vanity Fair - July 2003
"Iraq had a weapons program. Intelligence throughout the decade showed they had a weapons program. I am absolutely convinced with time we'll find out that they did have a weapons program." (From a Cabinet meeting on June 9)
President Bush - Washington Post - June 10, 2003
"The president, in saying programs, also applies that to weapons. The president had repeatedly said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that includes everything knowable up to the opening shots of the war. We still have confidence in that information. You could say Iraq continues to have weapons of mass destruction. We have confidence we're going to find them. They're still there."
Press Secretary Fleischer - Washington Post - June 10, 2003
"We did not know at the time ? maybe someone knew down in the bowels of the agency ? but no one in our circles knew that there were doubts and suspicions that this might be a forgery. Of course it was information that was mistaken." (From Sunday interview)
National Security - Advisor Rice - Los Angeles Times
?I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons? I don't know anybody in any government or any intelligence agency who suggested that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons. That's fact number one.?
Donald Rumsfeld June 2003
?The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his ?nuclear mujahideen?.... his nuclear holy warriors? Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof.... the smoking gun.... that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.?
George W. Bush October 2002
"This nation acted to a threat from the dictator of Iraq. Now there are some who would like to rewrite history; revisionist historians is what I like to call them" - George W. Bush
A troll is anything that seeks to inflame instead of promote a civil discourse. Cheering the death of innocents -- whether they be civilians, soldiers, children, or whomever -- is not conducive to having a civil discourse. See, you don't see how he's a troll, and that's why I told you it is impossible to convince someone or all that someone is one. It is entirely subjective based on how someone reads a pattern. I've seen a pattern with a few members here and I've mentioned they were trolls. I want to avoid the "call-out" thing, but I've called dmcowen one, you, and jpeyton. I might have mentioned in to someone else, but I will call posts "trolls" often but not members. Members have to do something on a persistent basis to deserve that moniker. It isn't something I throw around to ad-hom or whatever. I see troll -- and I call it. Out of the three I've mentioned you are the only one who has denied it, so perhaps you have redemption just yet.
Oh, another example: Riprorin. Total troll.
I'd want their IP address and logs forwarded to the FBI, that's what I'd want.
And I was attacking his ideas. His ideas were, let me quote:
"More power to them"
His ideas are garbage. Frankly, anyone who is cheering the insurgents IMHO, is also human garbage. Just my opinion of course, Why are you trying to suppress my opinion? Why are you questioning *my* free speech if you are such an advocate for it??
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