Gun Toting Kindegartener.......

[kami]

<< Classy - We practically have b c and d in Canada and all it has done is make it difficult for the people who want to own their guns legally. The people who are killing, ie using the guns illegally get the guns through illegal channels. Get it?
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well it must be doing something because Canada has way less gun deaths and and gun-related crimes per capita.

 

[Amused]

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<< Classy - We practically have b c and d in Canada and all it has done is make it difficult for the people who want to own their guns legally. The people who are killing, ie using the guns illegally get the guns through illegal channels. Get it? >>



Canada must be doing something right. They have a much much lower incidence of gun violence than here in the states. >>



They have much less violence across the board in Canada. Are you implying that the virtual ban on guns has caused fewer murders by knife, blunt object, poison and beating???

Simply pointing out that they have less gun violence does not show causation, only correlation. And that correlation become less and less compeling when the murder rate by other means is equally lower as well.

What does this mean? Canadians are just less inclined to commit murder, no matter what means are available. It has little to nothing to do with guns or gun availability.

 

[geno]

GoldenTiger - you've GOT to be kidding me. You're saying that you'd hold a 5 year old responsible for his actions like that? There's no way in HELL that kid should have had access to that gun - the parents are morons, plain and simple. There's no way you can fully place the blame on the kid - he's too young to know better.

 

[Amused]

<< GoldenTiger - you've GOT to be kidding me. You're saying that you'd hold a 5 year old responsible for his actions like that? There's no way in HELL that kid should have had access to that gun - the parents are morons, plain and simple. There's no way you can fully place the blame on the kid - he's too young to know better. >>



I agree with you. But he's 7, not 5

 

[classy]

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<< Classy - We practically have b c and d in Canada and all it has done is make it difficult for the people who want to own their guns legally. The people who are killing, ie using the guns illegally get the guns through illegal channels. Get it? >>



Canada must be doing something right. They have a much much lower incidence of gun violence than here in the states. >>



They have much less violence across the board in Canada. Are you implying that the virtual ban on guns has caused fewer murders by knife, blunt object, poison and beating???

Simply pointing out that they have less gun violence does not show causation, only correlation. And that correlation become less and less compeling when the murder rate by other means is equally lower as well.

What does this mean? Canadians are just less inclined to commit murder, no matter what means are available. It has little to nothing to do with guns or gun availability. >>



That is a really cheap and I mean cheap way to explain away that Canada has less gun violence than we do. I didn't post the story as to lead to an arguement over guns. But I posted as a wake up I guess. Here is 7 year old with a gun in school. If that doesn't open your eyes and minds, that something more has to be done, almost nothing will. But I do believe the day is coming when we shut down a lot of gun ownership in America and on that day I will rejoice.

 

[kami]

<< What does this mean? Canadians are just less inclined to commit murder, no matter what means are available. It has little to nothing to do with guns or gun availability >>


Well that's a bunch of BS. Do you think as soon as you cross the border people just become nicer and less inclined to violence? LMAO!!!

Anyway, for those interesed, I found the following links -

Information about Canadian Gun Control laws

Statistics and more information about the gun control program in Canada

 

[geno]

<< I agree with you. But he's 7, not 5 >>


Ah - that explains it right there! A 7 year old in kindergarden? He's obviously a moron and should have a watchful eye kept on him

 

[classy]

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<< What does this mean? Canadians are just less inclined to commit murder, no matter what means are available. It has little to nothing to do with guns or gun availability >>


Well that's a bunch of BS. Do you think as soon as you cross the border people just become nicer and less inclined to violence? LMAO!!!

Anyway, for those interesed, I found the following links -

Information about Canadian Gun Control laws

Statistics and more information about the gun control program in Canada >>



Kami great links. But the gun lobbyists would never allow such things here in the US.

 

[Elledan]

Guns don't kill people, it are people who kill people.

Conclusion: there's something seriously wrong in the American culture which causes such actions and many others.

Maybe it's time for some restructuring, like a fresh set of ethics and moral values? Less paranoia?

 

[Antisocial Virge]

I grew up in New Brunswick, Canada where the ratio of guns to people was probably like 9 to 1. People used them for hunting and that was just about it. We left our doors unlocked even when we went on vacation and there was not even a neighbor within sight to keep a eye on it. I even left my keys in the ignition of my cars 24/7. Canada does seem alot safer than in the US.

I live in the US now and its scary how easy it is to get handguns. Just yesterday I could have bought a Mac-11 at a flea market. What purpose does this gun have? Self defense?.

 

[Czar]

Bad parents and guns are just two problems, put those together we get one huge problem. They must both be dealt with equaly.

 

[Amused]

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<< What does this mean? Canadians are just less inclined to commit murder, no matter what means are available. It has little to nothing to do with guns or gun availability >>


Well that's a bunch of BS. Do you think as soon as you cross the border people just become nicer and less inclined to violence? LMAO!!!

Anyway, for those interesed, I found the following links -

Information about Canadian Gun Control laws

Statistics and more information about the gun control program in Canada >>



Kami great links. But the gun lobbyists would never allow such things here in the US. >>



Kami? Prove me wrong. Show me that Canada's knife, blunt object, poison, and beating murders are as high as the US (they're not). If they're lower (they are), exaplain why all murders are lower in Canada, and how gun control can affect murder by other means.

OOPS! Hey, Kami, Here's a hint: Screaming &quot;BS!&quot; without backing it up is meaningless.

 

[BlackWob]

IMHO, it is also the kid's fault. You can't say &quot;Where were the parents&quot; or &quot;It's all the media's fault!&quot; without realizing that the kid was stupid enough to bring a gun to school. Granted at this age, however, the child probably would have been slowed if the gun wasn't laying on his kitchen or wherever it was &quot;hidden&quot;.

 

[Azraele]

<<School officials Wednesday were trying to determine how and why a 7-year-old boy brought an unloaded .22-caliber handgun to school. >>

That's just scary.

Why was he 7? I thought Kindergarteners were 5 or 6.

 

[kami]

<< Kami? Prove me wrong. Show me that Canada's knife, blunt object, poison, and beating murders are as high as the US (they're not). If they're lower (they are), exaplain why all murders are lower in Canada, and how gun control can affect murder by other means.

OOPS! Hey, Kami, Here's a hint: Screaming &quot;BS!&quot; without backing it up is meaningless. >>


Maybe you could prove me wrong? I couldn't find any statistics comparing US to Canada violent crime statistics, where did you get your info from? I'm just sick of hearing that Canadians are little angels. We're not! You may as well just call us the 51st state. I've seen the violence first hand too, so maybe that is why I hold this opinion. My 15 year old sister was robbed at gun point where she worked (a little corner store) and I know someone who was beaten within an inch of his life...oh yeah, and two people were shot in the head execution style in a warehouse that was about 100 feet behind my old house (i heard the shots). Plus I see violent stuff daily on the news, always hear about sexual crimes rising, etc. So maybe my opinion is a little skewed, but I'd still be interested in seeing these statistics.

 

[TimberWolf]

This is really impressive - I'm referring to the prejudiced opinions and lack of analytical thinking displayed here.

Absolutely nowhere, in an artical already pretty thin on actual facts, does it state that the child got the gun from home; But it's automatically a referendum on firearms ownership in general, and parental responsability in particular.

Disengenuous statements like:


<< In all the school incidents, almost 70% of the kids either got the gun from home or a relative. >>


omit the fact that most of those firearms were stolen from those &quot;homes and relatives&quot;.

Canada has a population of 30 million or so; the US population is around 280 million. The &quot;rural to urban&quot; ratios aren't comparable to begin with. And honest statisticians state repeatedly that you cannot compare cross-cultural demographics with any degree of accuracy to support &quot;cause and effect&quot; theories - the prime source of support for anti-gun rhetoric.

After Canada passed it's most recent laws, the authorities admitted they inflated the statistics in support of the legislation.

The assertion of &quot;BS&quot; is valid, especially when most of the sources are full of it . . .

 

[tm37]

<< Good morning . Now lets see. The problem is there are too many guns in America and they are far too easy to get. There is no need for handguns anyway except for law enforcement officials.

kamiam I don't appreciate your attitude or your pms. You obviously are a clown, who fits in with the &quot;crew&quot; I call them, who think they have it all figured out. This problem is beyond just educating parents. All the education in the world is not going to change a thing till we begin to remove the guns that
A. That do not serve any purpose outside of killing. In example all handguns.
B. Make it mandatory for licenses and more strict background checks to be done.
C. Require those who have guns to have to have a safe, not a lock.
D. Make a mandatory waiting period of no less than 6 months.

If we just did b,c, and d, and made them federal manadates for all states, we could at least slow down some of the possession of guns for illegal purposes. Being able to buy a weapon at a show is absolutely wrong and should be stopped immmediately.

RGN as usual my condolences to your lack of anything intelligent to say. You were right about one thing though, We do have do something about the parents. In the realm of child birth.

If you think nothing should be done, I hope my kids don't go to school with any of yours. In all the school incidents, almost 70% of the kids either got the gun from home or a relative. >>




Ok Here are the arguements,

a. Handguns do serve a purpose be it self defence or sport shooting. (At a range)
b. Backround checks? It is illegal to own a gun it you are a felon. They do backround checks. Putting together a national DATABASE of convicted felons would help however liberals feel these would endanger our freedoms.
c. There is no way to enforce this. are you going to knock on gun owners doors to check the safe? There is no way to legislate this. WHy not make it a felony if your weapon is used in a crime and has not been reported stolen?
d. 6 months? Will that really help? NO IT WON'T. Make people wait longer that will fix it! You are way off here.


The FACT IS most guns used in crimes were either 1. Stolen or 2. Illegally Obtained (black market.)

Gangs are not buying their weapons at walmart or Big 5. By restricting law abiding citizens You only stop the Legal guns for those who would more than likely not be involved in criminal activity. While you do NOTHING to stop the criminals from getting their weapons.

 

[LordMaul]

Classy, I must bring this up.

Why do pro-gun control liberals always attack the PERSON rather than the veiw and tell them they are unintelligent?

I admit, I have attacked certain people because of their views, but I don't go around tell people they are stupid because of what they believe.

 

[mrCide]

I'd just like to say I said &quot;possibly&quot; the worst parents because he might of found it somewhere or something otherwise. Either way, it's a parents responsibility to teach your child about things like this. I know when I was like 3 or 4 I looked on the ground and saw a needle (drug needle?). As a kid I wanted to pick it up and look at it. But I had remembered being told about stuff like that. I mean come on. If a child isn't taught then how are they going to grow up? Give me a break

 

[kamiam]

Classy


<< kamiam I don't appreciate your attitude or your pms >>


your are a fusking Hypocrite...here is an exact copy of your pm to me and as it preceded my pm to you... it shows just what kind of punk hypocrite you really are...

<< You can blow me, clown >>

in response to your pm, sorry, I'm not queer, why don't you find your buttbuddy and let him blow you...as for not liking my attitude...go blow your buttbuddy


<< RGN as usual my condolences to your lack of anything intelligent to say >>

funny how people of the ilk as classy ALWAYS try and show the limitations of someone when they are the ones that actually have the limitations...sorta like pointing fingers @ someone when they really should be pointing that finger @ themselves