Gun Thread!!

[SphinxnihpS]

lol hi-point

lol hi-point

 

[sourceninja]

Everyone should own at least one .22 pistol.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Yeah, cost is definitely an issue.

Other than the odd calibers (50 desert eagle, 454 Cassull, etc) does it make any sense for me to have a 45 and a 9 and a 40 and a 357?

The same goes for revolver. I've never shot a revolver. Does it make sense to have revolvers in similar calibers as well as the semi's?


I don't know. I'm in a gun-buying mood and am trying to maximize my dollar.

Gun buying rarely makes much sense. I own 2 45 semi-autos, a 9mm, a 44 magnum revolver, and a 32 ACP handgun and that's not even getting into the rifles and shotguns I own. I don't hunt, I don't carry for self defense, I really just enjoy shooting them from time to time.

 

[JulesMaximus]

ammo costs (in order):
.22, .38 special, 9mm, .40, .45

in general, the bigger the caliber, the higher the price

the rental guns for the .22 are HUGE.
.38 specials are for revolvers. i have yet to see a range rent a .38 special automatic

if you're not much of a maintenance guy (ie: clean your gun), get a .357 snub nose revolver. it shoots .38 sepcials too. plus good for conceal carry

You really only need to clean a gun after you shoot it or if you haven't shot it in a very very long time and suddenly decide to shoot it.

Gunpowder is corrosive so you should clean every gun after shooting regardless of whether it is a revolver or a semi-auto and it isn't any easier to clean a revolver over most semi-autos...you just don't have to disassemble it first (the exception being some older cowboy guns).

 

[pontifex]

Yeah I sort of figured, never heard of it, but like I said I'm new to handguns. I want more firepower than a 22 revolver, though.

I have owned some shotguns (S & W 12g auto; Rem 20g auto; Mossberg 16g pump; 410 bolt action, can't recall who made it, great little gun), but sold them all wanting something nicer. I'm thinking a Browning Citori, I love the classy double barrel.

There are 9mm revolvers, they're just not common. I can't think of who makes any off the top of my head. You'd have to search google for them.

 

[pontifex]

P22 with LEGAL aftermarket attachment???

btw-
this Walther P22 .22lr 3.4" Black cost $317 (w/o attachment)?

Gemtech makes suppressors. You will need a tax stamp (about $200) and extensive background check before you can get one. Not to mentiont he suppressors themselves cost about $400 on the cheap side.

 

[Gothgar]

If you can't shove a baseball bat into the resulting hole, increase caliber.

JHP .45 should do right?

 

[Schadenfroh]

If you can't shove a baseball bat into the resulting hole, increase caliber.

Well, you can use this to chop down a forest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson_Model_500

 

[JEDI]

You really only need to clean a gun after you shoot it or if you haven't shot it in a very very long time and suddenly decide to shoot it.

Gunpowder is corrosive so you should clean every gun after shooting regardless of whether it is a revolver or a semi-auto and it isn't any easier to clean a revolver over most semi-autos...you just don't have to disassemble it first (the exception being some older cowboy guns).

rinse with water? soap and water (ala dishwasher)?

then spray with wd-40?

:biggrin:

 

[jlee]

P22 with LEGAL aftermarket attachment???

btw-
this Walther P22 .22lr 3.4" Black cost $317 (w/o attachment)?

That's about right. A P22 is next on my list; suppressors are $300 and up (plus $200 tax stamp).

You really only need to clean a gun after you shoot it or if you haven't shot it in a very very long time and suddenly decide to shoot it.

Gunpowder is corrosive so you should clean every gun after shooting regardless of whether it is a revolver or a semi-auto and it isn't any easier to clean a revolver over most semi-autos...you just don't have to disassemble it first (the exception being some older cowboy guns).

Some military surplus ammunition has corrosive primers, but modern gunpowder is not corrosive.

 

[adairusmc]

That's about right. A P22 is next on my list; suppressors are $300 and up (plus $200 tax stamp).



Some military surplus ammunition has corrosive primers, but modern gunpowder is not corrosive.

Yeah, the p22 is the nicest platform with factory threaded barrels to use with a suppressor. I foolishly got rid of my p22 to replace with a Sig Mosquito, but the Sig is horrible. Horrendous trigger, and very ammo finicky.

I still have the mosquito, but my Gemtech Outback II sits on my Browning buckmark with my aftermarket tactical solutions threaded barrel.

 

[HannibalX]

People laugh at Hi-Point but those guns kill plenty of cops every year (may they rest in peace). They may be cheap but someone is using them effectively - criminals!

 

[TubeTote]

There are 9mm revolvers, they're just not common. I can't think of who makes any off the top of my head. You'd have to search google for them.

Yeah I think I might look into it...it has the firepower I want and is economical. If I can't find something I like there are so many other options.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

hi-point if you want to go target shooting. for the price you save over a p22 you can buy about 250 rounds, possibly even more.

 

[nick1985]

If a hi-point is what you can afford, then target shooting isnt the hobby for you.

 

[rgwalt]

Yeah, cost is definitely an issue.

Other than the odd calibers (50 desert eagle, 454 Cassull, etc) does it make any sense for me to have a 45 and a 9 and a 40 and a 357?

The same goes for revolver. I've never shot a revolver. Does it make sense to have revolvers in similar calibers as well as the semi's?


I don't know. I'm in a gun-buying mood and am trying to maximize my dollar.

I would say that it does not make sense to have one of every caliber unless you just like collecting calibers. The reason is commonality of ammunition. If you have 10 different guns all of different calibers, then you are going to spend a lot of time hunting down all of the different varieties of ammo when going to the range, OR you are going to spend a lot of money keeping a decent store of ammo in all your different calibers. If, on the other hand, you have 3 9mm, 3 /45's, and 3 revolvers chambered in .38 special/.357, and 1 .22LR pistol for plinking, then you really only need to keep up with 9mm, .45, and .38 special (no one shoots .357 on a regular basis at the range and .22LR doesn't count due to the low cost and high availability).

Right now I have a 9mm, a .45, and a revolver in .38/.357. I was hesitant to pick up the revolver because I didn't want to keep a stock of another variety of ammo. To give you an idea, I have 600+ rounds of 9mm and 400+ of 45. I haven't built up a stock of .38 yet (only 100 rounds in the house). Why keep so much on hand? Well, I don't bother going to the range unless I plan to shoot at least 100 rounds through each of my pistols. If I bring a friend, we can really chew through some ammo and I don't want to hit the store looking for ammo before/after each range trip. I'd rather be able to depleat my stash over a few trips to the range, and then stock back up with periodic trips to a few select sporting goods stores (plus Wal-Mart). When the great ammo shortage of 2008/9 hit, it was painful and expensive for people to keep up with ammo supplies. People like me didn't worry too much.

Another reason not to buy something in every caliber is in case you decide to start reloading. I haven't made the investment in reloading equipment yet because of the time required to reload my own rounds is way too much for me right now. You've got to collect your brass, clean it, reshape it, then reload it. If you are really hardcore, you will buy materials to cast your own bullets! But, if I did get in to reloading, having only 3 calibers to reload would be nice. It would keep me from having to keep a bunch of different dies/equipment on hand, plus a bunch of different supplies for each caliber.

My future gun purchases will likely not stray outside of the 9mm, .45, .38/.357 or .22LR range. I would like to get a .22LR for super cheap plinking (plus target practice). My next purchase is going to be a small framed, lightweight pistol of some sort once I get my CHL. It will probably be a revolver, but I haven't fully decided. I would also like to get one of the evil black rifles (like an AR) for fun, but again, I don't really want to stock an additional caliber of ammo, especially .223/5.56 due to cost. So, I am looking into pistol caliber carbines such as the Beretta CX4 Storm (it would share magazines with my 92FS, another commonality advantage), or looking for an AR-platform "rifle" chambered in 9mm luger.

Anyway, I know this was a long post, but I wanted to give you a different, less is more perspective. And this was on pistols... don't get me started on shotguns!

 

[jlee]

rgwalt - IMHO if you're going to spend the money on a rifle, get one with a bit more punch to it. It might be in a bigger gun, but it's still a handgun cartridge. .223 is coming way down in price, too. You could also get a .22 upper.

I'm tempted to buy a case of 7.62x39 for my AK -- $229 at Ammoman now (1000rd Egyptian brass casing / berdan primed).

 

[rgwalt]

rgwalt - IMHO if you're going to spend the money on a rifle, get one with a bit more punch to it. It might be in a bigger gun, but it's still a handgun cartridge. .223 is coming way down in price, too. You could also get a .22 upper.

I'm tempted to buy a case of 7.62x39 for my AK -- $229 at Ammoman now (1000rd Egyptian brass casing / berdan primed).

Thanks for the recommendation. I suppose if I bite the bullet and budget for a case or 2 when I buy the rifle, it wouldn't be so bad. In contrast, I met a guy who sold all of his pistols except for his .45's (and now only buys .45's). He claims to have a stock of over 10K rounds loaded, plus more ready to be reloaded. It really takes the idea to the extreme.

 

[jlee]

Thanks for the recommendation. I suppose if I bite the bullet and budget for a case or 2 when I buy the rifle, it wouldn't be so bad. In contrast, I met a guy who sold all of his pistols except for his .45's (and now only buys .45's). He claims to have a stock of over 10K rounds loaded, plus more ready to be reloaded. It really takes the idea to the extreme.

Ammoman has 9mm for $279/1000 and .223 for $289/1000 (that's Wolf, though). Do you have any interest in an AK/SKS? $229 will get you a case of decent surplus ammo, and they're a blast to shoot.

 

[Electric Amish]

That's the next question.... If I have a 9mm Springfield XDm and my wife has a 9mm KAHR, why would I buy a 9mm barreta or 9mm GLock or 9mm...anything else? I guess unless I need a smaller carry gun or something?

Right now I have the following:

9mm Springfield XDm
9mm KAHR
22lr Buckmark
22lr Montgomery Ward bolt-action carbine
22lr Marlin lever action
223 Lewis Machine AR-15
12g 870 Wingmaster
16g Montgomery Ward


The only other thing I might get is a smaller 22lr pistol for my wife. The Buckmark is a little heavy for her.

My father has a classic Winchester 18-something 30-30 that I am also trying to talk him out of.

I keep thinking about an SKS or AK, but if I have an AR-15 do I really need one?

I would also like a Moison Nagant just for history sakes.

Any other suggestions?

 

[jlee]

That's the next question.... If I have a 9mm Springfield XDm and my wife has a 9mm KAHR, why would I buy a 9mm barreta or 9mm GLock or 9mm...anything else? I guess unless I need a smaller carry gun or something?

Right now I have the following:

9mm Springfield XDm
9mm KAHR
22lr Buckmark
22lr Montgomery Ward bolt-action carbine
22lr Marlin lever action
223 Lewis Machine AR-15
12g 870 Wingmaster
16g Montgomery Ward


The only other thing I might get is a smaller 22lr pistol for my wife. The Buckmark is a little heavy for her.

My father has a classic Winchester 18-something 30-30 that I am also trying to talk him out of.

I keep thinking about an SKS or AK, but if I have an AR-15 do I really need one?

I would also like a Moison Nagant just for history sakes.

Any other suggestions?

You don't really need any of them - but they're fun.

The only thing I really want now is a suppressed Walther P22 and a Remington 700 (or equivalent) with really nice glass.

I have-

Ruger LCP
Glock 36
Ruger 10/22
Remington 870
WASR10 (AK47)
DPMS AR15
Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine
An old 20ga breakopen

I also have a 16ga and a Winchester 30/30 that belong to my stepdad, but he didn't want them back after I cleaned them for him. Sooo..take that as you will.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Gunpowder is corrosive

No, it's not. In some older army-surplus ammunition (especially Soviet surplus ammunition), the primers contain corrosive salts because it used to be the only way to make the primers stable enough for long-term storage (e.g. decades). Modern ammunition purchased from retail outlets will not use corrosive primers.

ZV

 

[lokiju]

This is what I want to get next I think.

http://www.henryrepeating.com/h002_survival.cfm

 

[HannibalX]

I like the Henry survival rifle but I wish I could get one in .22 Mag. Moving to a .22 Mag from a .22LR is just a minor increase in size and weight for a much greater capability.

 

[lokiju]

I like the Henry survival rifle but I wish I could get one in .22 Mag.

Yeah, would be nice but really I just want it for throwing into my pack when I go camping in the woods and doing some plinking while out there.