mobobuff
Lifer
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I know, that's the part that made me think it wasn't staged. There's just more evidence to suggest it was staged than to suggest it was real.
Actually I just watched it again and I don't know what to think. It sounds like there was more than just an empty bullet shell hitting the ground, and when you realize that a man can go a few days without realizing a knife blade is lodged in his head, you can understand the lack of urgency when a bullet has pierced your leg.
And the article didn't say it was a standing-only presentation, it said it was "standing room only", meaning all the seats were filled and there was only room to stand.
Originally posted by: KK
I don't think that the article goes along with it as I didn't see or hear any screaming. Unless the article threw that in there for their anti-gun readers.
Perhaps, it's just quite a coincidence if it's two seperate occasions.
Besides, the news report probably came from a witness who may not recall everything perfectly
Because he's got the slide racked back and looked into and said empty weapon although some of it was off camera. If you rack back the slide you can see any shell that is sitting on top of the mag. So either he knew he was about to shoot himself and didn't care, or it was a blank and he was prepared for it and just "looked" into the chamber for show. How anyone can rack it back look in the chamber and not see a shell is beyond me. You can't miss it.
Anyway, it appears I'm wrong.
Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: KK
I don't think that the article goes along with it as I didn't see or hear any screaming. Unless the article threw that in there for their anti-gun readers.
Perhaps, it's just quite a coincidence if it's two seperate occasions.
Besides, the news report probably came from a witness who may not recall everything perfectly
Someone on a Beretta forum supposedly e-mailed the reporter and he/she admitted that all the details were not correct in the story.
The biggest point of this whole thing is that there is NO reason to for that agent to be teaching a class with loaded mags. Period. He should have taken nothing but empty mags with him, and triple checked the gun before started messing with it.
I always check my guns before messing with them, even if they've been locked up and not touched for days. I don't keep them loaded either, because I keep full mags in a reachable place. An AD is due to someone being careless of a gun malfunction. If this guy was following the rules this wouldn't have happened.
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: KK
I don't think that the article goes along with it as I didn't see or hear any screaming. Unless the article threw that in there for their anti-gun readers.
Perhaps, it's just quite a coincidence if it's two seperate occasions.
Besides, the news report probably came from a witness who may not recall everything perfectly
Someone on a Beretta forum supposedly e-mailed the reporter and he/she admitted that all the details were not correct in the story.
The biggest point of this whole thing is that there is NO reason to for that agent to be teaching a class with loaded mags. Period. He should have taken nothing but empty mags with him, and triple checked the gun before started messing with it.
I always check my guns before messing with them, even if they've been locked up and not touched for days. I don't keep them loaded either, because I keep full mags in a reachable place. An AD is due to someone being careless of a gun malfunction. If this guy was following the rules this wouldn't have happened.
I'm glad you treat you guns with great care.
mobobuff
Lifer
- Apr 5, 2004
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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: MAME
Originally posted by: KK
I don't think that the article goes along with it as I didn't see or hear any screaming. Unless the article threw that in there for their anti-gun readers.
Perhaps, it's just quite a coincidence if it's two seperate occasions.
Besides, the news report probably came from a witness who may not recall everything perfectly
Someone on a Beretta forum supposedly e-mailed the reporter and he/she admitted that all the details were not correct in the story.
The biggest point of this whole thing is that there is NO reason to for that agent to be teaching a class with loaded mags. Period. He should have taken nothing but empty mags with him, and triple checked the gun before started messing with it.
I always check my guns before messing with them, even if they've been locked up and not touched for days. I don't keep them loaded either, because I keep full mags in a reachable place. An AD is due to someone being careless of a gun malfunction. If this guy was following the rules this wouldn't have happened.
To be fair, this guy looked like he was a noob at giving demonstrations. Still, gun safety should never be neglected.
VirtualLarry
No Lifer
- Aug 25, 2001
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Yeah. Imagine if one of the kids managed to grab the gun away from him, with live rounds, it could have been a hostage situation. Besides, isn't there now a federal law against bringing any loaded weapons within so many feet of school grounds, otherwise you could even lose your right to own/carry a gun? (It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see a "federal officer" flagrantly ignoring and violating a federal law though.)
Larry,
Laws like that don't apply to on duty LEO. Thou in some states, Texas for example, a Federal Agent that is not on duty can not carry a gun unless they are a resident and have a Concel Carry License.
Laws like that don't apply to on duty LEO. Thou in some states, Texas for example, a Federal Agent that is not on duty can not carry a gun unless they are a resident and have a Concel Carry License.
Its nice to see members who can admit when they are wrong, :thumbsup:.
The way the article explained it and the video definately seemed different.
This wasnt an AD. This was clearly a ND. Nothing "accidental" about a glock 22 (or maybe a model 23) discharging when you have your finger on the trigger. At least, that is what it looked like, the video quality is rather crappy. Now, if he had a slam-fire when he chambered the round, that would have been an accidental discharge. Howeer, he had hit the slide release several seconds before the gun went off. The chances of a hang-fire are much, much lower than the chances of him having pulled the trigger.
In any event, the DEA agent is clearly an idiot for using a loaded magazine during a gun safety demo at a school. Additionally, it appears to me that he had someone else verify that it was unloaded without checking himself that the gun was unloaded.
Depends on the location of the wound. I dont think it did much more than graze him. A good hit to the thigh with a .40 bullet (probably his duty load, so it would likely be a hollowpoint, and possibly a +P loading) would have produced a bigger reaction than that. Plus kids would be screaming about the bleeding.
I think Darwin would have been much happier with the outcome if he had hit himself in the femoral artery.
I wonder what the repercussions of that incident were for her? I would hope she was transferred to a desk job at the minimum. I rather doubt anyone would want to partner with her after that.
Plus, I'm sure the suspect sued for the emotional pain and suffering of her ND into the ground a foot away from his face.
BTW, she didnt "calmly put her gun back in the holster"... she missed the holster
. I dont think she is cut out for high stress situations.
KK
Lifer
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Originally posted by: Mookow
I wonder what the repercussions of that incident were for her? I would hope she was transferred to a desk job at the minimum. I rather doubt anyone would want to partner with her after that.
Plus, I'm sure the suspect sued for the emotional pain and suffering of her ND into the ground a foot away from his face.
BTW, she didnt "calmly put her gun back in the holster"... she missed the holster
I think she's a he, or that chick has one hell of a deep voice.
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