Gun Registration Laws are Nonmandatory

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Pray To Jesus

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Example:

A gun registration law passes in a state. The law compels mandatory gun registration. The people choose to not register their guns. They are willfully breaking the law, thus they become criminals. At this point, they are protected under the 5th amendment and cannot be compelled to incriminate themselves. The law tells them to register their guns, but forced registration means forced self-incrimination to the government. Thus the people are not required to register their guns.

Haynes v. United States

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Haynes v. United States
Supreme Court of the United States
Argued October 11, 1967
Decided January 29, 1968 Full case name Miles Edward Haynes v. United States Citations 390 U.S. 85 (more) 88 S.Ct. 722; 19 L.Ed.2d 923

Background of the case

The National Firearms Act of 1934 required the registration of certain types of firearms. Miles Edward Haynes was a convicted felon who was charged with failing to register a firearm under the Act. Haynes argued that, because he was a convicted felon and thus prohibited from owning a firearm, requiring him to register was essentially requiring him to make an open admission to the government that he was in violation of the law, which was thus a violation of his right not to incriminate himself.
Majority opinion

In a 7-1 decision, the Court ruled in 1968 in favor of Haynes. Earl Warren dissented in a one sentence opinion and Thurgood Marshall did not participate in the ruling.
As with many other 5th amendment cases, felons and others prohibited from possessing firearms could not be compelled to incriminate themselves through registration.[1][2] The National Firearm Act was amended after Haynes to make it apply only to those who could lawfully possess a firearm. This eliminated prosecution of prohibited persons, such as criminals, and cured the self-incrimination problem. In this new form, the new registration provision was upheld. The court held: " To eliminate the defects revealed by Haynes, Congress amended the Act so that only a possessor who lawfully makes, manufactures, or imports firearms can and must register them", United States v. Freed, 401 U.S. 601 (1971).[3] The original Haynes decision continues to block state prosecutions of criminals who fail to register guns as required by various state law gun registration schemes.


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DrPizza

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Your "logic" is rather illogical. And, perhaps you've completely overlooked this: Haynes was STILL guilty of possession of a firearm by a felon.
 

Fenixgoon

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while you cannot be compelled to register as felon, firearm possession/ownership as a felon is still legal.

it's just 1 less charge they throw at you, assuming you get caught
 

shortylickens

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I'm not a felon.
Wont be registering.

(Am pretty sure the gun store already registered me with the state anyway, the serial numbers are on those forms.)
 

KB

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This ruling just says that you don't have to come forward and report your own crime. It doesn't apply if you aren't a felon. If you don't register and the police believe you to have a firearm, then suddenly the police get an anonymous tip for drugs and they search your property.
 

Moonbeam

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wait...what?


Can someone please explain what the OP is trying to say?

I think he's saying he's a believer in a Guy that never carried a weapon in his life and preached turning the other cheek and can't figure out how he fell in love with guns.
 

rudeguy

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I think he's saying he's a believer in a Guy that never carried a weapon in his life and preached turning the other cheek and can't figure out how he fell in love with guns.

I thought this thread was about the US landing in France in WW2
 

DominionSeraph

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If outlawing outlaws from registering outlawed weapons is outlawed, only outlaws will something something.
 
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