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Gun question: Which is better 9mm or 10mm?

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Recommendation: Buy a .40 or .45 that you can get a barrel change out kit for. Then make it into a .22 and plink away at the range with it. Once you're done put the original barrel back in and take it home. Best of both worlds. Most .45's can be easily converted.
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While this is OK if you want to shoot your 45 cheaply for fun, I don't think it's good advice for someone who's planning on using a gun as a last resort for self defense.

One shot may not always stop someone - you need to be ready for that followup shot. If you've been plinking with low-recoil 22LR and have only put a magazine or two of real 45ACP through your gun, you may lack the ability to recover from the recoil and make a second shot.
 
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: LeadMagnet
shotgun is best
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Sure, if you want to mud'n'tape your entire front living room after pumping one round at the guy who just busted in the front door.
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For a one shot chance to protect my family - I don't mind spackeling and painting the holes in the walls.
 
Originally posted by: MrBond
Recommendation: Buy a .40 or .45 that you can get a barrel change out kit for. Then make it into a .22 and plink away at the range with it. Once you're done put the original barrel back in and take it home. Best of both worlds. Most .45's can be easily converted.
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While this is OK if you want to shoot your 45 cheaply for fun, I don't think it's good advice for someone who's planning on using a gun as a last resort for self defense.

One shot may not always stop someone - you need to be ready for that followup shot. If you've been plinking with low-recoil 22LR and have only put a magazine or two of real 45ACP through your gun, you may lack the ability to recover from the recoil and make a second shot.
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Winnar!

Practice with the same gun and load you intend to use for self defense.
 
Originally posted by: Cleaner
its simple.

Bigger bullet size = more stopping power = less shots need to be fired = more expensive ammo so less practice time
Small bullet size = less stopping power = more shots need to be fired = less expensive ammo so more practive time

So are you buying the gun to practive shooting or are you buying it to kill the guy charging through your living room at you? .
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It's not nearly that simple.

Stopping power depends on your aim. Most shots miss their targets. Would you rather have more chances to hit your target or less chances? If you have a big .44 magnum that holds only 6 shots, you might miss 4 of those times and score a hit in the leg and the arm. That's not going to stop anyone. On the other hand you could have a 9mm with 10-15 shots. If you have a 15 rd clip, even with the same hit percentage you can miss 10 times and score 5 hits, 2 in the leg, 2 in the arm, and 1 in the chest.

*With more shots you increase the probability of hitting a major organ or artery and causing blood loss*

 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Cleaner
its simple.

Bigger bullet size = more stopping power = less shots need to be fired = more expensive ammo so less practice time
Small bullet size = less stopping power = more shots need to be fired = less expensive ammo so more practive time

So are you buying the gun to practive shooting or are you buying it to kill the guy charging through your living room at you? .
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It's not nearly that simple.

Stopping power depends on your aim. Most shots miss their targets. Would you rather have more chances to hit your target or less chances? If you have a big .44 magnum that holds only 6 shots, you might miss 4 of those times and score a hit in the leg and the arm. That's not going to stop anyone. On the other hand you could have a 9mm with 10-15 shots. If you have a 15 rd clip, even with the same hit percentage you can miss 10 times and score 5 hits, 2 in the leg, 2 in the arm, and 1 in the chest.

*With more shots you increase the probability of hitting a major organ or artery and causing blood loss*
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*eyebrow raise*

😛
 
I say 9mm. Anything else is not needed IMO. The target will be at most 20 feet away from you, and you don't NEED to shoot to kill. Most burgalers would be scared shitless if they were shot, and if they were dumb enough to keep going, then you pop them between the eyes. I mean, sure, all of this happens in a split second, but if you don't have a gameplan to follow if it ever happens, then why the hell buy a gun to protect yourself in the first place??? The gun isn't what protects you, it's only a tool your brain uses to keep you alive.

:beer:
 
Originally posted by: Mutilator
How bout 50 cal? 😉
Saw the S&W 500 while channel surfing last weekend.
From shootingusa.com:
Smith and Wesson 500 Magnum 12?
Smith and Wesson 500 Magnum round chambered in the S&W 500 magnum 12 inch, 5 shot double action revolver with internal hammer safety. Smith says the 500 magnum 12 inch is capable of taking any game that walks on the planet with the right choice of cartridge.

Power Factor: 655.6
Muzzle Energy: 2417.85 Ft. Lbs.

$1000

Strongest handgun you can buy. Plus if you got the 12" instead of the 4" version you'd definately have the Dirty Harry badass look going for ya. 😉
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The most important spec on that page is the capacity- only 5 rounds. With only 5 shots, you are not likely to hit your target.

Everyone thinks about the damage that a round will cause when it hits the target, but nobody seems to care about actually *hitting the target*. I see fools buying the biggest gun they can find and not even practicing with it. They are not likely to hit anything. Someone with a .22 that practices all the time is far more likely to win a gunfight. Putting big holes in walls is not as effective as putting small holes in the target.
 
Originally posted by: LeadMagnet
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: LeadMagnet
shotgun is best
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Sure, if you want to mud'n'tape your entire front living room after pumping one round at the guy who just busted in the front door.
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For a one shot chance to protect my family - I don't mind spackeling and painting the holes in the walls.
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Correct.
That and shotgun does not really require long wait and even if by some chance you miss the flash and sound alone is enough to cause any unwelcome person to stain their pants and run for the hills.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
The most important spec on that page is the capacity- only 5 rounds. With only 5 shots, you are not likely to hit your target.

Everyone thinks about the damage that a round will cause when it hits the target, but nobody seems to care about actually *hitting the target*. I see fools buying the biggest gun they can find and not even practicing with it. They are not likely to hit anything. Someone with a .22 that practices all the time is far more likely to win a gunfight. Putting big holes in walls is not as effective as putting small holes in the target.
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If you're worried about not being able to hit the target on the first shot you should be holding a shotgun in the first place, not a handgun.
Or at least have a laser site on your handgun so you have a nice red dot that tells you what you're going to hit. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I generally pack a 10mm because it's got the intimidation factor. Plus, pop a round or two in the air and people listen to what you have to say. It screams for attention. The 9mm is a smaller, less impressive gun. It just doesn't command the respect.

That said, if I am reasonably sure or positive that I'm about to enter a confrontation in which bullets are going to fly I will generally opt for my 9mm. It's lighter and easier to wield, and allows better accuracy due to reduced recoil. Given that I typically aim for head shots, its stopping power is not a big concern, and vest or not, if you're hit by one it's still going to give you pause.

I give my men the choice to choose whatever they like, but with my assault team of 5 other guys only one of them consistently chooses his 10mm when we're going into combat. I've sold the others on the smaller 9mm.
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Something tells me you actually do not own a gun. 😛
 
Originally posted by: Mutilator
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
The most important spec on that page is the capacity- only 5 rounds. With only 5 shots, you are not likely to hit your target.

Everyone thinks about the damage that a round will cause when it hits the target, but nobody seems to care about actually *hitting the target*. I see fools buying the biggest gun they can find and not even practicing with it. They are not likely to hit anything. Someone with a .22 that practices all the time is far more likely to win a gunfight. Putting big holes in walls is not as effective as putting small holes in the target.
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If you're worried about not being able to hit the target on the first shot you should be holding a shotgun in the first place, not a handgun.
Or at least have a laser site on your handgun so you have a nice red dot that tells you what you're going to hit. 😉
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I fired a 9mm beretta just the other day that had a laser red dot thing on it, and it was wicked cool. I could keep both eyes open and still see where I was aiming. hotness.

 
Originally posted by: K1052

Magazine or mag.

Clip refers to en-bloc clip used only in old bolt actions and the M1.
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We call them clips. The kind that you are thinking of is a stripper clip.
 
Accuracy. Accuracy. Accuracy. The stopping power of that big handcannon won't do you any good if you miss.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I generally pack a 10mm because it's got the intimidation factor. Plus, pop a round or two in the air and people listen to what you have to say. It screams for attention. The 9mm is a smaller, less impressive gun. It just doesn't command the respect.

That said, if I am reasonably sure or positive that I'm about to enter a confrontation in which bullets are going to fly I will generally opt for my 9mm. It's lighter and easier to wield, and allows better accuracy due to reduced recoil. Given that I typically aim for head shots, its stopping power is not a big concern, and vest or not, if you're hit by one it's still going to give you pause.

I give my men the choice to choose whatever they like, but with my assault team of 5 other guys only one of them consistently chooses his 10mm when we're going into combat. I've sold the others on the smaller 9mm.
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Where did you paste that from?
 
Originally posted by: Mwilding
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I generally pack a 10mm because it's got the intimidation factor. Plus, pop a round or two in the air and people listen to what you have to say. It screams for attention. The 9mm is a smaller, less impressive gun. It just doesn't command the respect.

That said, if I am reasonably sure or positive that I'm about to enter a confrontation in which bullets are going to fly I will generally opt for my 9mm. It's lighter and easier to wield, and allows better accuracy due to reduced recoil. Given that I typically aim for head shots, its stopping power is not a big concern, and vest or not, if you're hit by one it's still going to give you pause.

I give my men the choice to choose whatever they like, but with my assault team of 5 other guys only one of them consistently chooses his 10mm when we're going into combat. I've sold the others on the smaller 9mm.
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Where did you paste that from?
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Oh, that was just a copy/paste of my article from this month's Soldier of Fortune😉
 
.357 if you live where you dont care about neighbors. According to law enforcement statistics, 97% of intruders shot with a .357 Magnum do not require a follow up shot 😉
 
Originally posted by: drpootums
.357 if you live where you dont care about neighbors. According to law enforcement statistics, 97% of intruders shot with a .357 Magnum do not require a follow up shot 😉
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that giant .50 cal semi auto/or bolt action rifle the politicans in VA tried to outlaw but failed. statistics show 100% of people shout with a .50caliber round at short range(i.e. indoor combat) do not require a follow up shot.
(Barret .50 Rifle)
http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles/rifles_82A1.htm 😀

or this(DEAGLE .50)
http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976574576.htm
 
For stopping someone bigger is always better.

I have shot a 10mm before and it's a fine round but for personal defense I prefer a .45acp

.45 is bigger but slightly less velocity which can be a good thing if your worried about too much over penetration.
 
Originally posted by: drpootums
.357 if you live where you dont care about neighbors. According to law enforcement statistics, 97% of intruders shot with a .357 Magnum do not require a follow up shot 😉
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You cazn have your .357's most of them are built with light frames so their accuracy suffers greatly. I will stick with my dbl action Super Redhawk .44 magnum.

If someone breaks into my house that mofo won't be leaving 😉

Ausm
 
10mm is more powerful and packs more stopping power. It is also more expensive and felt recoil is much greater than 9mm.

What is the application?
 
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