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Czar

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LANMAN

See this, if we would ban firearms the crazy guy who came into the store wouldnt have a gun now would he?

Who cares if crminals would have guns, but a guy who does that is not a criminal, he is just a single person who went nuts. A Criminal is someone who brakes the law and tries to get away with it.
 

LANMAN

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DABANCHEE,

I have no idea why your getting so upset because I could careless what you just posted. I wasn't referring to your comment, nor was anything I posted about it.

Simply stated was you can choose to vote for banning guns, but if someone desides to blow you away, don't come crying back to me or anyone else wondering why you weren't allowed to protect yourself.

--LANMAN
 

Czar

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Isnt it strange, debanshee that people with guns tend to have very big ego's and think they are soooo powerful, dont you agree ;)
 

LANMAN

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Czar,

Your saying giving up your right to protect yourself is going to solve this problem? I don't care if someone goes off the deep end, but I will tell you if this "normal person" does, and desides to take me with him/her, I'm going to be right there to help them with their problem....

Drugs are banned right? So why are people still using them? Can we assume the samething is going to happen when guns are banned? Secondly, if you do give up the right to own a firearm, whats going to be next?


I don't think freedom to bear arms was put into the constitution because the guys who wrote it were stupid. We have survived this long only because we have them still in place.

--LANMAN
 

Czar

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If you didnt notice, then that comment I made to debanshe was a joke that some people get and some people dont, you dont.
 

LANMAN

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Big ego's?? Your not one of those "normal people" are you? :)

--LANMAN
 

Czar

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Demon-Xanth

sure, thats common, everyone has one of those encounters every once in a while... NOT.
 

LANMAN

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Taking this a step further, here is another major reason why I again defend my right to bear arms:

International Terrorist Activity

Some dude from some country that could give a crap if you die or not, gets off an airplane in your local town and desides to "kill all americans" or whatever country your in. You want to be just another statistic? This not only local within your town, this is GLOBAL. Any place any time, it doesn't have to be your next door neighbor going through a divorce you need worry about. Ban Ladan ring any bells? He has more connections in the world than most superpowers... In his mind, I can almost assure you, banning would make his job soooo much easier !! "Death to an American is better than wasting energy on anything else." Now who's normal?

--LANMAN

BTW: Yes I do have a big Ego, because I am an American, I believe in my country, I have fought for my country (still do), and when I see someone just give away something that I personally helped you protect, that tends to get me a "little" concerned. (I can see both sides of the fence on this issue, please don't think I am being cynical.)
 

Demon-Xanth

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czar: my point being that generally if a large man attacked an average women the women would be generally helpless, if the women were armed they could shoot his balls off.
 

Demon-Xanth

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Another point: Stabbings occur, why aren't there anti-knife laws? Beatings occur, why aren't there anti-blunt-object laws? People have been hanged to death, why isn't there anti-rope laws?

The right to swing your fist ends where someone else's nose begins.
 

Czar

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To bad that you see it your way and I see it my way and there is nothing either of us can do to change the others mind. This makes this argument pointless.
 

desy

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Czar have you ever even shot a rifle?
ITS FUN my wife hates guns, doesn't even like having them in the house but when I take the 22 out to go target shooting she's right in, when I go tune up for hunting season..
Which she is wishing she would have done it as a kid cause she came from a farm with lots of opportunity but cause she is a girl, dad never bothered to take her out.
She don't like firing the big guns though, but she is good at it, in fact any time I have ever taken a girlfriend out they all have tried and loved target shooting. More than one of the guys I hunt with say their wives are better target shooters than they are.
 

DABANSHEE

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Your a bloody idiot Kboot, you know absolutelly nothing about Australia, yet you go acting the expert & posting something you've seen on the web.

Now if you knew about Australia you'd release that what you've posted is absolutely crap.

The simple fact is those 'kneejerk' over-the-top gun laws have made no difference to crime rates in Australia.

This theory that by removing guns will make it easier for criminals ias hogwash as far as Australia is concerned because the simple fact is that its been illegal to own handguns in Austraia since bloody 1920, & no there was no crime boom in Australia in the early 20's. You must also remember that Australia is the most urbanised country in the world with over 90% of the Australian population living in 3 mega-cities (Melbourne/Geelong, Sydney/Newcastle/Illawarra & GoldCoast/Brisbane/Towoomba), consequently buggerall Australians ever owned firearms in the first place. That silly over-the-top buyback scheme was only for semi-automatic rifles & repeating shotguns & the vast majority of them were only kept by just a minority of the less than 10% of Australians who lived in rural regional areas.

Now I didn't agree with this knee jerk legislation, it was totally over the top they even even banned bloody .22 rimfire semi-autmatics, even though just about every Cocky (Oz talk for farmer) owns one. Plus it was a gross waste of money with something like $400 million being spent buying up guns just to 'pipe-bend' them & smelt them down.

Now if you knew anything about Australia you'd realise every single newspaper you quoted (except one) is a redneck Murdoch tabloid, which are known to not to let the truth get in the way of a good story

Now lets look at these NRA claims that fukwits who know nothing about Australia keep quoting.

Claim 1. 'In 1997, just 12 months after the new laws went into effect across the continent'.

The new laws did not become fully operative until well into 1997. The buy-back scheme took almost to the end of 1997. The first statistics which can be used for comparison purposes are those for 1998. In July 2000, we will have the official statistics for 1999.

These comments, however, can be made about the claims by Senator Richardson in Gun & Ammo magazine. Such claims have been repeated by US media outlets.

Claim 2. Homicides jumped 3.2%.

In 1998, compared to the average of the two years prior to new gun laws becoming operative, gun homicides fell by 35%. Murder from all causes was down by 11.5%.

Claim 3. Armed robberies were up by a whopping 44%.

The rate of increase in robbery averaged 20% per annum in the two years prior to the new gun laws becoming operative, it fell to an increase of 10% in 1998.

Claim 4. Assaults were up 8.6%

The assault rate increased on average 9.5% per annum in the two years before the new gun laws became operative. It was only 6% increase in the 1998.

Claim 5. In the state of Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides.

Ha ha,the World Health Organisation has just given the capital of Victoria, Melbourne (75% of Victoria's population) the title of 'Safest City in the Southern Hemisphere'.In fact in the two years before the new gun laws became operative the average homicide rate per 100,000 population in Victoria was 1.25. In 1998 the homicide rate per 100,000 population in Victoria fell to 1.01. In both cases it was the lowest of the six Australian states.

Now lets look at a graph

Australia Gun Deaths - Total
...................1988..1989..1990..1991..1992..1993..1994..1995..1996..1997..1998
Accident........30....19......30......29......24.....18......20.....15.......30.....19.....21
Suicide.........521...451.....488...510.....490....435...420....388....382....330...234
Assault.........124...80......79......84.......96......64.....79......67.....104....79......57
Legal.Int.........4......7.......4.......6........14........3......7........6.......0........7.......7
Unknown......17....15.......15......5........7.........6......0........3........5.......2........8
Totals...........696...572....617....634.....631....526...526....479.....521...437....327
Source: Australian Bureau of Statistics

Really as far as I am concerned those new laws made ah heck all difference. Anyway its to early to tell, as, for example Australia has about 70 firearm murders a year, so there could be a 5% difference just by having one serial killer released or locked up in jail. Plus once that broken down to the state level, individual incidents would alter the statistics even further - In a low population state like Western Australia, you only need one extra murder for the annual murder rate to increase by 25% or something. Also there's a bikie war going on in Victoria which is going to skued the figures anymore.

Nows as far as pre-meditated crimes are concerned I don't think those new laws (which I don't agree with) will make more than buggerall difference, even in the long term because as we all know criminals dont worry about complying with laws. However they may have a long term negative effect on such firearm incidents as accidents & compulsive/impulsive acts where drunkeness/jealousies/domestics, etc are involved. Just by the simple fat there are less guns lying arround, bit like the way car accidents increase as car ownership rates increase & car accidents fall when car ownership rates fall. But to be honest you'll have to get back to me in 20 years cause it will take that long to work out any trends, cause figures are so low in Australia.