Gun noob question: Training with hollow point vs FMJ

[irishScott]

Let me ask you a question then. Do you feel the .380 will tear through a rib just as well as a 9mm, 357 sig, 40?



What silly questions. Of course the answers are no, but that is not what I am debating. If you are in a scuffle and can only get off 1, maybe 2 rounds, and shot placement is questionable, would you feel ok with a .380? Would you feel more confident with a 357 sig, or any other more powerful round?




This is due to the sheer number of .22's out there. Not because the .22 is more powerful than a 45 (or any other round). Think about it. If there are 50 million .22's out there, and only 3 million .45's, of course more people will get killed with the .22, that doesnt make it a more powerful round.




Maybe. My whole point is that your odds of killing what you shoot, especially in a street scuffle or a defense situation, are far higher with a more potent round. So why limit yourself to a .380?

Alright, noob or not:

1. Yes in terms of stopping power I would feel more confident with a larger/more powerful round. Does that decrease my confidence in the .380? No. I'm with sourceninja in that this is like arguing about blade sizes. Just because I can kill you more easily with my 6.2" fixed doesn't mean that I can't kill you with a 3" folder.

2. No one's saying .22 is more powerful, just that it's been proven effective at killing people. If .22 can have that record, and .380 is easily a step up from .22... I'm hardly going bottom of the barrel here. As for penetration, isn't it actually better for the bullet to lodge itself inside the person so it can do more damage as he/she tries to move around?

3. Why limit myself? I thought I'd established this already. The guns that are designed to use .380 are small, light, in some of the more expensive cases (like what I'm looking at) quite accurate, extremely portable and concealable (a must in my case). The ammunition is correspondingly lighter than most. The recoil from .380 is less which to my understanding is a good thing for a light gun. I'd rather be able to connect with 2 .380s at range than 1 9mm.

Is it the best? No. Will it do the job I require? In most cases yes.

 

[nick1985]

As for penetration, isn't it actually better for the bullet to lodge itself inside the person so it can do more damage as he/she tries to move around?

A .380, 9, 357 sig, 40, 45 will ALL lodge themselves in the person with HP ammo. The difference is the larger rounds will go in farther, hitting more organs and generally causing more damage. As seen in the ballistics tests, the .380 doesnt penetrate nearly as far. Translate that into real world, that may or may not get through ribcage to do anything other than superficial damage.

 

[michaelmast]

Usually you get a gun to protect your family and yourself, noone will buy a gun without purpose, (good or bad) only that person knows with which intention will use it, just think about it before buy it.

 

[alkemyst]

chances are any perp is going to stop and run once shot. if not shoot them again. Chances are as well if you are ever going to shoot someone you are going to double tap at least.

With a .380 (and I prefer .40, 9mm, even a .45, but I am larger so I can conceal these) you get better shot to shot accuracy, a frame that has a decent ammo capacity even in compact, and should 90% of the time work to stop a perp on a single shot.

The idea isn't to kill always, you always want to shoot to kill...this whole BS of a jacket stopping a .380 is internet fodder.

 

[irishScott]

A .380, 9, 357 sig, 40, 45 will ALL lodge themselves in the person with HP ammo. The difference is the larger rounds will go in farther, hitting more organs and generally causing more damage. As seen in the ballistics tests, the .380 doesnt penetrate nearly as far. Translate that into real world, that may or may not get through ribcage to do anything other than superficial damage.

Then I'll make sure I buy the best ammo I can afford for actual carry.

 

[Zargon]

you dont want the bullet to penetrate because then the body isnt being forced to absorb all the energy, so less knockdown/back.

always shoot to kill. always. dont pull the trigger unless thats your end goal. imo atleast.

 

[iGas]

Then I'll make sure I buy the best ammo I can afford for actual carry.

Why not have body armor & SUV to round out your paranoia.

And, how are you going to travel with a gun?

 

[Zargon]

Why not have body armor & SUV to round out your paranoia.

And, how are you going to travel with a gun?

go troll elsewhere

 

[pontifex]

Let me ask you a question then. Do you feel the .380 will tear through a rib just as well as a 9mm, 357 sig, 40?



What silly questions. Of course the answers are no, but that is not what I am debating. If you are in a scuffle and can only get off 1, maybe 2 rounds, and shot placement is questionable, would you feel ok with a .380? Would you feel more confident with a 357 sig, or any other more powerful round?




This is due to the sheer number of .22's out there. Not because the .22 is more powerful than a 45 (or any other round). Think about it. If there are 50 million .22's out there, and only 3 million .45's, of course more people will get killed with the .22, that doesnt make it a more powerful round.




Maybe. My whole point is that your odds of killing what you shoot, especially in a street scuffle or a defense situation, are far higher with a more potent round. So why limit yourself to a .380?

so according to your logic, everyone should be carrying .50 desert eagles, S&W 500s, etc? I mean if you're not going to limit yourself to a .380 why limit yourself to a 9mm, .357 or .45?

 

[nick1985]

so according to your logic, everyone should be carrying .50 desert eagles, S&W 500s, etc? I mean if you're not going to limit yourself to a .380 why limit yourself to a 9mm, .357 or .45?

You didnt understand my logic apparently.

show me a compact 500 SW/ desert eagle. Not to mention the recoil if such a gun did exist would be insane.

 

[pontifex]

You didnt understand my logic apparently.

show me a compact 500 SW/ desert eagle. Not to mention the recoil if such a gun did exist would be insane.

i thought we were talking about having calibers that would actually be effective, not compactness?

your logic was why settle for a .380 when you can get a 9mm, .357 or .45?
I then asked why settle for that? why not go most powerful?

Most .380s are going to be way more compact than most compact .45, .357, or even 9mm.

 

[irishScott]

Why not have body armor & SUV to round out your paranoia.

And, how are you going to travel with a gun?

If the rest of the world was like you, I probably would.

 

[alkemyst]

If the rest of the world was like you, I probably would.

lol....I am sure some of these dudes are looking at body armor.

the ones that own .40's (which i like) probably have a 2Pac poster above their pull out in their parent's basement.

 

[nick1985]

i thought we were talking about having calibers that would actually be effective, not compactness?

You thought wrong. I was talking about calibers that are way more effective than a shitty .380 that come in a compact frame.

Thanks for letting me clear that up.

 

[pontifex]

You thought wrong. I was talking about calibers that are way more effective than a shitty .380 that come in a compact frame.

Thanks for letting me clear that up.

so now you're changing your argument...typical forum behavior when someone's argument completely falls apart...

 

[nick1985]

so now you're changing your argument

Absolutely not. Look at post #6. I obviously linked a sub-compact pistol.

Sorry for the miscommunication.

 

[alkemyst]

always the idiot that ignores the parameters of the argument to spout of things they really know nothing about.

WE ARE TALKING COMPACTS. I am sure nick would just tuck a M60 in his fanny pack as his daily carry.

 

[nick1985]

WE ARE TALKING COMPACTS. I am sure nick would just tuck a M60 in his fanny pack as his daily carry.

Once again, asshole, look at post #6 in the thread. Do you really think I was not talking compacts/sub-compacts?

 

[alkemyst]

you aren't anymore, you are all over the place like a rabid little squirrel.

 

[nick1985]

you aren't anymore, you are all over the place like a rabid little squirrel.

How so? Because you say I am?